[Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland

[Me_]

2 hours ago, The.Burrowers said:

https://youtu.be/Tk4mMg7Nvzw

 

Im a fan of the trade but this video certainly puts his struggles into perspective.  Hopefully he can get some of his confidence back next year because we will face McDavid a lot and if he is going to be our number 1 Dman he will need to contain him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sell.the.team]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

And here is OEL scoring, while McDavid is too slow to get to him.

Vids are fun aren't they?

 

u mad bro?  I didn't post one clip like you did,  I posted a compilation of multiple instances where he got completely decimated.... it clearly is a thing given the fact that OEL was making fun of himself about it..... anyway, wasn't trying to start anything... like I said, I liked the trade and am optimistic he can get back on track.  I saw this video last night and was just surprised that this thread seemed like we went 181 pages without anyone posting this (from what I can tell).... seemed worth noting all things considered.... apologies for ruffling your feathers!!!!!!! 

[Gurn]

8 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said:

u mad bro?

Are you over 14?

 

9 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said:

apologies for ruffling your feathers!!!!!!!

Ok, revised; are you over 12?

[Sell.the.team]

2 minutes ago, gurn said:

Are you over 14?

 

Ok, revised; are you over 12?

 

 

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, Kenny Blankenship said:

You do understand that McDavid does this to literally every defenseman in the league, right? You don’t contain him, you just hope that nobody else on the oilers can score lol

If you hit him a lot, he dives more and scores less.  Playing him physically really messes with his head.  We got a lot bigger; McDiver is going to be crying to the refs all season.

[Gurn]

18 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said:

 

 

Ok revised, yet again.

Are you over 11?

[Westcoastcanucks777]

I am sad we may not be able to score empty netters without Erickson here

[UnkNuk]

4 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Maybe you need some hooked on phonics to help with that reading comprehension.

 

 

Very good.

 

But just to delve into this a bit more:

 

You're right - every trade is a gamble.  And the longer the contract and salary cap hit involved, the greater the gamble it is.

 

It's OEL's six year contract with a $7 million cap hit that makes this trade a big gamble

 

That's not to say that the Canucks or other teams shouldn't make trades that are big gambles.  But we should recognize those trades for what they are.

 

If OEL continues his downward spiral for the next six years, Benning has handed this franchise an anchor.  It's hard enough to put together a Cup contender without having a $7 million salary cap handicap.

 

On the other hand, if OEL rebounds and plays like a good first line defenseman (not a Norris candidate but a good first line defenceman) and Garland turns out to be the.solid player many people predict, then Benning has pulled off one of the best trades in Canuck history.

 

It's a big gamble and one that is going to make this upcoming season very interesting to watch.

[UnkNuk]

2 hours ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said:

I am sad we may not be able to score empty netters without Erickson here

And wouldn't it be ironic if Eriksson was the player who got rejuvenated by a change in location and scored 30 goals.

[sassbs]

On 7/29/2021 at 6:57 PM, UnkNuk said:

And wouldn't it be ironic if Eriksson was the player who got rejuvenated by a change in location and scored 30 goals.

I would be so pissed!  And at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised !  Lazy bustard!!!!

[BigTramFan]

On 7/30/2021 at 10:53 AM, UnkNuk said:

If OEL continues his downward spiral for the next six years, Benning has handed this franchise an anchor.  It's hard enough to put together a Cup contender without having a $7 million salary cap handicap.

What downward spiral are you referring to?

 

OEL has had reliable and consistent offensive numbers for the last 10 seasons.

 

Perhaps you refer to ice time? His average ice time has been reduced in the last 4 years down to around 23 mins, instead of the 25 mins he was playing from 2012-2017, but that is just good player management rather than anything to do with performance.

 

If OEL continues on whatever this current spiral is, then he will be an absolute steal.

 

Season   Pts/60  Av TOI

2010-11    0.9      15.0

2011-12    1.1      22.1

2012-13    1.2      25.1

2013-14    1.3      25.9

2014-15    1.3      25.2

2015-16    1.8      24.7

2016-17    1.2      24.6

2017-18    1.3      23.7

2018-19    1.4      23.6

2019-20    1.2      23.0

2020-21    1.5      21.0

[Westcoastcanucks777]

Some dudes hate Garlund already?

[73 Percent]

4 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

What downward spiral are you referring to?

 

OEL has had reliable and consistent offensive numbers for the last 10 seasons.

 

Perhaps you refer to ice time? His average ice time has been reduced in the last 4 years down to around 23 mins, instead of the 25 mins he was playing from 2012-2017, but that is just good player management rather than anything to do with performance.

 

If OEL continues on whatever this current spiral is, then he will be an absolute steal.

 

Season   Pts/60  Av TOI

2010-11    0.9      15.0

2011-12    1.1      22.1

2012-13    1.2      25.1

2013-14    1.3      25.9

2014-15    1.3      25.2

2015-16    1.8      24.7

2016-17    1.2      24.6

2017-18    1.3      23.7

2018-19    1.4      23.6

2019-20    1.2      23.0

2020-21    1.5      21.0

The absolute spiral hes talking about is the one that vancouver media created out of thin air.

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Well, actually when the games get harder, playoffs, McDavid loses.  Pretty much a fact.  

but the media says he's the best player ever. I'm so confused. 

[King Heffy]

14 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Keep lying to yourself.   This clown thinks he had McDavid figured out lollll

It's not exactly a secret McDiver can't handle the rough stuff.  Numerous clips of him throwing tantrums to the refs when they don't fall for his act.

[Gnarcore]

34 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Well, actually when the games get harder, playoffs, McDavid loses.  Pretty much a fact.  

He gets gifted way less power plays. Frankly I wasnt impressed by his numbers last year. He feasted on the powerplay in a weak division. Big &^@#ing deal...  Then swept in the playoffs when the whistles go away. 

[UnkNuk]

10 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

What downward spiral are you referring to?

 

OEL has had reliable and consistent offensive numbers for the last 10 seasons.

 

Perhaps you refer to ice time? His average ice time has been reduced in the last 4 years down to around 23 mins, instead of the 25 mins he was playing from 2012-2017, but that is just good player management rather than anything to do with performance.

 

If OEL continues on whatever this current spiral is, then he will be an absolute steal.

 

Season   Pts/60  Av TOI

2010-11    0.9      15.0

2011-12    1.1      22.1

2012-13    1.2      25.1

2013-14    1.3      25.9

2014-15    1.3      25.2

2015-16    1.8      24.7

2016-17    1.2      24.6

2017-18    1.3      23.7

2018-19    1.4      23.6

2019-20    1.2      23.0

2020-21    1.5      21.0

I stand corrected.  Thank you.

[UnkNuk]

5 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

The absolute spiral hes talking about is the one that vancouver media created out of thin air.

Actually, that's exactly right.    

 

BigTramFan's post was an eye-opener for me and very welcome news.

[UnkNuk]

10 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

What downward spiral are you referring to?

 

OEL has had reliable and consistent offensive numbers for the last 10 seasons.

 

Perhaps you refer to ice time? His average ice time has been reduced in the last 4 years down to around 23 mins, instead of the 25 mins he was playing from 2012-2017, but that is just good player management rather than anything to do with performance.

 

If OEL continues on whatever this current spiral is, then he will be an absolute steal.

 

Season   Pts/60  Av TOI

2010-11    0.9      15.0

2011-12    1.1      22.1

2012-13    1.2      25.1

2013-14    1.3      25.9

2014-15    1.3      25.2

2015-16    1.8      24.7

2016-17    1.2      24.6

2017-18    1.3      23.7

2018-19    1.4      23.6

2019-20    1.2      23.0

2020-21    1.5      21.0

And a further question:

 

I notice OEL's +/- last season was -17 which ranked him 265/270 in defensemen.  Do you chalk this up to his being on a poor team?

 

Also, while your stats show his offensive play is holding steady, are there any comparable stats that show how his defensive skills are doing?

 

Apologies if this has already been discussed in this rather long thread.

[flickyoursedin]

11 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

What downward spiral are you referring to?

 

OEL has had reliable and consistent offensive numbers for the last 10 seasons.

 

Perhaps you refer to ice time? His average ice time has been reduced in the last 4 years down to around 23 mins, instead of the 25 mins he was playing from 2012-2017, but that is just good player management rather than anything to do with performance.

 

If OEL continues on whatever this current spiral is, then he will be an absolute steal.

 

Season   Pts/60  Av TOI

2010-11    0.9      15.0

2011-12    1.1      22.1

2012-13    1.2      25.1

2013-14    1.3      25.9

2014-15    1.3      25.2

2015-16    1.8      24.7

2016-17    1.2      24.6

2017-18    1.3      23.7

2018-19    1.4      23.6

2019-20    1.2      23.0

2020-21    1.5      21.0

Great post good to see the numbers! Looking at our roster I’d also wager we score more goals per 60 than these Coyotes teams.