Crabcakes Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 One thing they say about Allvin, he's thorough. He's running "what if" scenario's past other GM's. It doesn't necessarily mean a trade but it might lead to one. What if we shop Myers? How much retained would make him valuable to other teams? What's the expected return? etc etc There's only 1 way to find out the answers to these questions. By asking NHL GM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Honestly, I think Myers has been our 2nd best defenseman this season. Maybe 3rd best behind OEL. Not really interested in trading him unless we have to make room for a great player. Given that, we don't want to retain salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Is there anything on this from someone legit? Wouldn't surprise me if management was exploring all options but I'd be surprised to see him be the one going. He's not someone I'd want to retain on as I don't think the return would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, nux_win said: The only good reason to trade him is to save cap space so retaining any of his salary doesn't make any sense. Well, it makes sense for other teams but not for the Canucks. Can't we use a big right handed Dman who can play in all "positions" (didn't you mean situations?). Anyway we need to do deals that make the Canucks better not make other teams better. GCG! Unless there is a good pick pr prospect coming our way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: So we retaining 2-3 mil just to sign someone for 3-4mil?? So what saving is there? And is a 3-4mil rhd to play in ur top pairing an upgrade? Unless it's 0 retention no thx If we can get assets in return for Myers, and then use that extra cap space to obtain another asset, you have to look at that. It obviously depends on what the pieces involved would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Dazzle said: People talk about Myers and his big contract, but the reality is that the Canucks need him. There's no other replacement. He's an average player on a bad team. We don't need him at all, especially since we likely aren't going to be seriously competing during the remainder of his contract. Have we learned nothing from the Benning era? Open cap space matters, it's an incredible asset in a hard cap league. JR said it himself a few days back, you open up many different opportunities and options when you have cap space. At this point, outside of the 3-4 pieces management sees themselves building around going forward, nobody should be untouchable. There is simply no scenario in which Tyler Myers is untouchable. He's simply not that good of an asset. e: FWIW, he has had a fine year. Doesn't change anything, though. We're in the championship game, not the "fine year in a non-playoff season" game. Edited February 24, 2022 by kanucks25 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Given Boudreau’s recents comments on Miller, management may be trying to free the cap space we’d need to resign him. Tyler’s been good but his cap hit makes him one of the more obvious candidates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Myers will be 34 when his contract ends. He might decline by then. Although he has been good for us this season, it might be wise to trade him now for cap flexibility. If we make the playoffs it sure would be nice to have him--but other teams are probably thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, CanuckinEdm said: The thing is if you retain 50% of Myers what R-Shot dman can we sign that would be an improvement on Myers for 3mil? We'd be trading Miller/Boeser/Garland to get younger. Schneider, Barron from Colorado, some other young prospects. At the end of the day if we are trading Myers we are not shooting for a playoff spot, we are shooting to retool the team and get younger and add more prospects. Hamonic, Poolman and Buroughs can cover the right side until the prospects are ready. Schneider could be ready next year for a full time spot. I'd go after Barron as well. Myers at 50% retention for Justin Barron? Colorado needs help on the right side. After Makar they don't have much. Toews Makar Girard Myers Byram Johnson Maybe we can get a top prospect from Colorado for Myers. Edited February 24, 2022 by Elias Pettersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Myers 1 for 1 for Texier pls lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian42 Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 hours ago, Dazzle said: People talk about Myers and his big contract, but the reality is that the Canucks need him. There's no other replacement. They absolutely would need to replace him no doubt, they could use some help on D even with him. But I would move him given the opportunity because he’s having his best season (sell high) as a Canuck and we could sign a UFA plus get a young asset back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, nux_win said: The only good reason to trade him is to save cap space so retaining any of his salary doesn't make any sense. Well, it makes sense for other teams but not for the Canucks. Can't we use a big right handed Dman who can play in all "positions" (didn't you mean situations?). Anyway we need to do deals that make the Canucks better not make other teams better. GCG! Yes I meant all situations. Trading Myers would be for short term pain and long term gain. We obviously need him like other teams. But if you can get a Justin Barron is return by retaining salary then you have to pull the trigger. We need some young stud right hand dmen to take the next step. Myers, Hamonic, Schenn, Poolman and Burroughs are all just short term stop gaps. We need at least 2 stud young right hand Dmen to add to the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 hours ago, spook007 said: Nice one... Only problem really is the same as with all trade proposals including Myers, who is going to pick up the slack from Myers... Myers leaving would leave a massive hole on our right side. Yes, totally agree. But he also can get us a very good young prospect. We can put a bandaid on the situation and try and still remain competitive or we can sell high on Myers, Miller and Motte and get as much as we can right now. We can fill holes later in free agency. If we keep Myers what happens after his contract is up and he's 34? We got nothing in the pipeline to replace him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Me_ Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: At 50% retained we could get quite a haul for Myers I think. Big right handed Dman who can play in all positions. At $3 million he would be valuable to alot of teams if JR wants to go that route. It would have to be an overpayment though as we need Myers just like other teams need him. Pretty much every playoff team could use a RHD, so there could be lots of trade possibilities here. So they want to clear cap space and you’re suggesting retaining as a strategy? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes, totally agree. But he also can get us a very good young prospect. We can put a bandaid on the situation and try and still remain competitive or we can sell high on Myers, Miller and Motte and get as much as we can right now. We can fill holes later in free agency. If we keep Myers what happens after his contract is up and he's 34? We got nothing in the pipeline to replace him. …and perpetually rebuild ad infinitum. And also… NO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 We are not retaining in a trade around Tyler Myers. We'd be creating a hole we have to fill--it makes no sense to retain. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: Fair to say new management is throwing a lot of lines into the water at this point with hopes of finding the right catch......so I'm expecting to hear this type of news with most of the players on the team. Correction, this is not news this is speculative rumor not news. Respectfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes I meant all situations. Trading Myers would be for short term pain and long term gain. We obviously need him like other teams. But if you can get a Justin Barron is return by retaining salary then you have to pull the trigger. We need some young stud right hand dmen to take the next step. Myers, Hamonic, Schenn, Poolman and Burroughs are all just short term stop gaps. We need at least 2 stud young right hand Dmen to add to the core. I'm tired of kicking the can down the road. I want to start winning right now, or at least try to. I don't want any major trades unless it makes us better immediately. What we really need is more toughness. Gretzky had his Semenko and that's the kind of player that you need Petey, y'know to get your mojo back. People tend to forget or downplay the importance of a player like Semenko in the success of a player like Gretzky, especially in "today's NHL". The thing is that it isn't that different. NHL playoffs are still an all out war and we need the muscle to back up the skill. The thing is that it's the skill part that is the hardest to acquire. And we've already done that. We lack the muscle to back it up, but that's relatively easy to acquire. We need more backbone, not more "prospects". We have lots of good young talent right now. We shouldn't be throwing in the towel just yet. I don't think that Myers is untouchable, if we get a good return then fine. But he's a useful piece right now and I don't want to get any smaller. We need confidence now. We need to win. Now. Or at least die trying. We could still make the playoffs this year. Sure, it's a longshot but there's still lots of games left to go for it. We have to stop listening to the Eastern based media who treat us as nothing as a farm system for other teams and start winning some games ourselves. Now. Not later. Later, has been tried as a strategy. It doesn't do much for me. We could use some more players, sure, but the kind we want are the kind who will make other teams stop taking liberties with our already good crop of young skilled players. And those kinds of players usually aren't very expensive. Go Canucks Go! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Although there is no replacement and he’s our best RHD, if we can move off his contract then you have to explore it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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