[PGT] Vegas Golden Knights at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 21, 2022

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Maginator]

2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

If I didn’t know better I would say Bruce was trying to lose.

 

The amount that he put Stillman and Boeser out there just didn’t make sense based on their play.

I couldn't believe that after the 4-4 goal I saw Myers and Stillman back out there..

[Junkyard Dog]

5 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

We have been a glass cannon team thus far.

[buddyguy]

2 hours ago, fanfor42 said:

Demko is why our record is so bad.  Demko is going to get Bruce fired and a bunch of guys traded.

 

Demko is now Cloutier.

 

 

B...b..b...but we have IAN CLARK!

[Alflives]

20 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

YUP.  We got dominated.  No blaming Demko.  Our team needs a serious rebuild. 

[JamesB]

2 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:

Miller on the Ice for 4 of Vegas' 5 goals !    Boeser on for 3 of them!     Holy Smokes

 

2 hours ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

That's it for Bruce B. He will take the blame for this. Thankfully there will be no coaches bump with Mike Yeo. 

 

2 hours ago, fanfor42 said:

That's on Demko.  

 

The above quotes capture the key points. Except I will add one more:

 

1. Petey made a highlight reel play to stop an empty note goal against. If Miller had been the last guy back he would have given up on the play and if Boeser was last guy back he would have been too slow to keep up with the play. The Petey line (with Kuz and Mik) were great tonight by the eye test and their advanced stats were excellent.

 

2. Back to Miller and Boeser. The Horvat line Iwith Miller and sometimes with Garland and sometimes with Boeser) really struggled, They were matched against the Eichel line and got crushed in the advanced stats. Miller just doesn't work hard enough in the D zone and Boeser is slow and just does not have particularly good defensive instincts. Horvat is better defensively but still not great.

 

3. Demko was excellent for the first half of the game then let in a bad first goal and then fell apart. You cannot have a #1 goalie who plays like that and expect to have even a remote chance of contending for the playoffs. I don't know what to do about Demko. If he does not come around soon the season is toast.

 

4. I think @fanfor42 is right that Bruce might take the fall. Even though Demko takes a lot of the blame for this loss, the team in front of him was a mess in the second half of the third period. If JR is looking for an excuse to fire him, this game would provide it. (But if JR decides to give up on this season, he might let Bruce stay for a while yet.)

 

5. Bruce coaches players, not systems. He tries to get the most out of players by treating his vets well and giving them a lot of leeway (rope). But hard matching Horvat, Miller and Boeser (or Garland) against the team's top line (the Eichel line tonight) just does not make a lot of sense. And starting Stillman ahead of Burroughs also does not make sent. But the D is just not good enough overall and that is on JR and Allvin, not on Bruce.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hairy Kneel]

Demko,the pass up the middle cost him.

 

After 3 hits (one was a a sort of hip check). Stillman went quiet. He looks lost in traffic in our crease.

Burroughs plays the body way more consistently,  and makes reads in his crease better than Stillman.  Burroughs averages over 2 hits a game and over 1 5 blocks a game. Because Burroughs wants it more.

Stillman is a passenger. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Hairy Kneel

[iinatcc]

1 hour ago, Comeback_Kings said:

Canucks are getting close to being good i think.  Could have used some more goaltending tonight imo.  

I take this is scarcasm ? lol

[DownUndaCanuck]

Just when we had a chance to change our own destiny we blew it. Beat LA 4-1, Demko and our D looked solid again and we're trouncing Vegas 4-2 in the middle of the third. Demko looked solid for most of the game. Then we take it into our own hands and give up 3 straight goals.

 

 

 

We could have really made an argument to say let's not sell just yet but try and fight for the playoffs if they held on tonight but they didn't and Demko still sucks. Any glimpse of hope is gone now.

[NHL97OneTimer]

Fickle fanbase.  If we had won tonight the fans would have said, "we're playing well now" and "maybe there's a chance".  But we lose and it's back to stripping down the team and starting over.  If Demko played like last year, I think we win most of these games that we gave up the lead on and we're well in the playoff race.  But the reality is that JR is correct......we may have won a lot of games last season in the last half but we relied on ridiculous goaltending to get there and that's not a make-up of a great team.  

 

I hate to say this, but I may have moved from apathy to actually wanting them to drop some more games here......not to be sadistic, but to hopefully lay down the path that needs to be taken in order to see a cup here.  We surely need to do this before Miller's new contract kicks in as I think there's hope that he can still be traded.  

[Hairy Kneel]

31 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

Fickle fanbase.  If we had won tonight the fans would have said, "we're playing well now" and "maybe there's a chance".  But we lose and it's back to stripping down the team and starting over.  If Demko played like last year, I think we win most of these games that we gave up the lead on and we're well in the playoff race.  But the reality is that JR is correct......we may have won a lot of games last season in the last half but we relied on ridiculous goaltending to get there and that's not a make-up of a great team.  

 

I hate to say this, but I may have moved from apathy to actually wanting them to drop some more games here......not to be sadistic, but to hopefully lay down the path that needs to be taken in order to see a cup here.  We surely need to do this before Miller's new contract kicks in as I think there's hope that he can still be traded.  

But we didn't win.

[cuporbust]

And still, absolute crickets from the people that run this organization.  They do absolutely nothing and expect different results. 

 

This organization is an embarrassment 

[IBatch]

5 hours ago, J-23 said:

What is this team doing with Podz 

 

When it’s all said and done Benning will have gone 2/5 on top 10 picks. Not using Podz properly at all this season.

Someone posted some odds for players that make it to 200 games.    OJ was the only actual complete bust.   Not saying we should have done better though... but it's actually pretty ordinary so far.   QHs and EP mitigate it somewhat.   Podz could still play 800 games in this league who knows.   One thing that thread didn't include is what the scouts themselves consider a bust.   JV was in the 400 range - he made himself a bust but JB did draft him so yes ... 3 of 5 now seems like the best he may manage.    Brock far exceeded where he was picked a long time ago but gets bashed on here all the time.   McAan of course did too.   But we traded him lol. 

Edited November 22, 2022 by IBatch

[rychicken]

The bandwagon was a bit of a gas guzzler - it’s being downsized to a Prius. 

[mll]

5 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

 

Full quote + Cassidy noting Canucks' struggles to defend their net front.

 

[spook007]

1 hour ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

Fickle fanbase.  If we had won tonight the fans would have said, "we're playing well now" and "maybe there's a chance".  But we lose and it's back to stripping down the team and starting over.  If Demko played like last year, I think we win most of these games that we gave up the lead on and we're well in the playoff race.  But the reality is that JR is correct......we may have won a lot of games last season in the last half but we relied on ridiculous goaltending to get there and that's not a make-up of a great team.  

 

I hate to say this, but I may have moved from apathy to actually wanting them to drop some more games here......not to be sadistic, but to hopefully lay down the path that needs to be taken in order to see a cup here.  We surely need to do this before Miller's new contract kicks in as I think there's hope that he can still be traded.  

Moved to that position fairly quick this season. First time ever I felt like this. 
 

I still support us during games and get happy, when we win, but seeing us blow it year in year out, and then draft out side the juicy picks because od morale victories, has made it tough to continue looking at the positives...

This year there's gravy at the draft, so lets get a real good shot at some good players to come in and support Petey, if he hangs around. A great draft this year, and a rebuild of the defence in the offseason could change our fortunes for the better in the coming years. 
 

So no morale victories.
Lets suck the butt out of this season baby and draft in the top 2-3, with perhaps a few more picks in the top 2 rounds. 

 

 

[spook007]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Full quote + Cassidy noting Canucks' struggles to defend their net front.

 

At least Schenn doesn't come with poor excuses... 

[EddieVedder]

11 minutes ago, spook007 said:

At least Schenn doesn't come with poor excuses... 

Exactly as a lot of us have been saying.  The team needs dmen and forwards that can battle.  You cant put hughes out there late when you have the lead.  Hes improved a lot in his positioning but hes physically outmuscled consistently.  And obviously Boeser, and dries the same.  Get these two off the ice when its crunch time.

The team need a shut down pair desperately. 

The draft is the only way to fix this mess.

[dougieL]

7 hours ago, cripplereh said:

OEL for captain once the trades start.

I'm all for this...Captain Tank will land us Bedard.

[NHTyrany]

55 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Exactly as a lot of us have been saying.  The team needs dmen and forwards that can battle.  You cant put hughes out there late when you have the lead.  Hes improved a lot in his positioning but hes physically outmuscled consistently.  And obviously Boeser, and dries the same.  Get these two off the ice when its crunch time.

The team need a shut down pair desperately. 

The draft is the only way to fix this mess.

Makes me wonder how in the world did Colorado land Makar?  Our QH is very soft in his own. zone. JR must be on the stealth tank this year and planning to sell at the deadline. Hopefully the glut of forwards can help our reset.