[Proposal] VAN - NYI

[Seannnp]

To Van

Wahlstrom

Dobson

2nd in 2023

2nd in 2024

 

To NYI

Horvat

Schenn 

Who says no? 
 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Seannnp

[qwijibo]

NYI say no. When you factor in his age, position, productivity and contract, Dobson is far more valuable than a rental Horvat 

[Drakrami]

You think Horvat can net you that much? 

 

You'd be surprised if it's more closer to Horvat: Dobson 1 for 1. 

[Alflives]

We can do a lot better for Bo.  

[Elias Pettersson]

If you switched Horvat for Petey Lamoriello may not hang up the phone...

[48MPHSlapShot]

C'mon dude. 

[grumpyone]

I say no... don't trade Schenn. He would make a heck of a good next captain re-signed for 3 years @ 1.8 

and if you don't get a 1st included for Horvat you hang up. 

[HKSR]

3 hours ago, Drakrami said:

You think Horvat can net you that much? 

 

You'd be surprised if it's more closer to Horvat: Dobson 1 for 1. 

I'd do Horvat and Schenn for Dobson.  I'd give up pretty much any player on the Canucks for Dobson outside of Petey.  Yes, I'd trade Hughes for Dobson.

[Alflives]

Dobson is a very overrated player.  Almost in that “suckeroo” category.  Just say no to those suckeroos! 

[wildcam]

6 hours ago, Seannnp said:

To Van

Wahlstrom

Dobson

2nd in 2023

2nd in 2024

 

To NYI

Horvat

Schenn 

Who says no? 
 

NYI will never move Dobson 23 - 6'3, RD -52 points last season. This is a untouchable player NYI build around.. NYI say big no..

Canucks would  crazy not to make this trade..

 

Horvat 27- Hoglander 21 - 

Wahlstrom--22 - Romanov 22  -6'1 210 -LD/RD-- 1st RD 2023

[c00kies]

I don't even think Wahlstrom is going to amount to anything and I'd still do this deal.

 

Chychrun is demanding a lot in the trade market, and I think Dobson could fetch similar.

[Phil_314]

They don't need centers (Barzal - Nelson - Pageau - Cizikas).
I'd rather try to do Boeser (2 years left, $6.65 mil, around 0.7 points/ game) for Beauvillier (speedy but currently unproductive former 1st round pick, $4.15 mil for 1 more year; gamble that his speed might gel well with Bo and Miller) and Scott Mayfield (pending UFA, 3rd pair RHD who's played big minutes, $1.45 million current cap hit; with Dobson and Pulock already locked up, he might be a pricey 3rd pair RD, and they also need to sign or replace Varlamov and Wahlstrom (RFA)).  They aren't scoring much, but Boeser's good for around 25-30 goal pace in a good year.
 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Phil_314

[Qwags]

10 hours ago, Seannnp said:

To Van

Wahlstrom

Dobson

2nd in 2023

2nd in 2024

 

To NYI

Horvat

Schenn 

Who says no? 
 

NYI hangs up immediately. If they offered that, you take it and run away laughing.

[higgyfan]

14 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

They don't need centers (Barzal - Nelson - Pageau - Cizikas).
I'd rather try to do Boeser (2 years left, $6.65 mil, around 0.7 points/ game) for Beauvillier (speedy but currently unproductive former 1st round pick, $4.15 mil for 1 more year; gamble that his speed might gel well with Bo and Miller) and Scott Mayfield (pending UFA, 3rd pair RHD who's played big minutes, $1.45 million current cap hit; with Dobson and Pulock already locked up, he might be a pricey 3rd pair RD, and they also need to sign or replace Varlamov and Wahlstrom (RFA)).  They aren't scoring much, but Boeser's good for around 25-30 goal pace in a good year.
 

They certainly don't need a C and didn't last year when there were trade rumours with the Canucks.

 

I've always suspected that they were interested in Brock as their roster weakness is RW.  If that's the case,
trading for Beauvillier would pay the bulk of Brock's contract (they have +$2.4m cap space). Unfortunately.

I think the Isle's would push to send Bailey to Van.

 

I notice that the Islanders are lacking in LD prospects, which may up the value of a Brock trade.

 

To NYI:   Boeser + Rathbone

 

To VC:  Beauvillier (but probably Bailey) + Raty(C)

    

[garthsbutcher]

6 hours ago, grumpyone said:

I say no... don't trade Schenn. He would make a heck of a good next captain re-signed for 3 years @ 1.8 

and if you don't get a 1st included for Horvat you hang up. 

Schenn should be the next Captain without a question

[DownUndaCanuck]

Dobson is about as valuable as a player gets. Top young RD or top-2 all-around center? I think most teams would take a top pairing RD to be honest. 

 

So Dobson for Horvat + Rathbone/2nd would probably be fair. A straight swap might happen, we don't see those super-star deals anymore but could be fun. Of course I'd do it in a heart-beat but I don't think NYI would and that just tells you - Dobson is very valuable to that team.

[Phil_314]

1 hour ago, higgyfan said:

They certainly don't need a C and didn't last year when there were trade rumours with the Canucks.

 

I've always suspected that they were interested in Brock as their roster weakness is RW.  If that's the case,
trading for Beauvillier would pay the bulk of Brock's contract (they have +$2.4m cap space). Unfortunately.

I think the Isle's would push to send Bailey to Van.

 

I notice that the Islanders are lacking in LD prospects, which may up the value of a Brock trade.

 

To NYI:   Boeser + Rathbone

 

To VC:  Beauvillier (but probably Bailey) + Raty(C)

    

I'd prefer Beauviller over Bailey though, since Josh likely doesn't have the potential to rebound as a player since he's already in his 30's (though he'd probably help throughout the lineup and especially on the PK), whereas AB and BB are the same age.  Getting Raty back would be a great add so we'd have a ready successor for when Bo gets dealt (he almost cracked their lineup).  Not sure how much Rathbone tips the needle though, since their Sebastian Aho and another LHD prospect (Salo) are both smaller puck movers.

[higgyfan]

3 hours ago, Phil_314 said:

I'd prefer Beauviller over Bailey though, since Josh likely doesn't have the potential to rebound as a player since he's already in his 30's (though he'd probably help throughout the lineup and especially on the PK), whereas AB and BB are the same age.  Getting Raty back would be a great add so we'd have a ready successor for when Bo gets dealt (he almost cracked their lineup).  Not sure how much Rathbone tips the needle though, since their Sebastian Aho and another LHD prospect (Salo) are both smaller puck movers.

I'd prefer Beauviller as well, but I'm not sure Brock's value is right now.  Basically Bailey is a cap dump so

that the NYI can make the trade.  That's why I slipped in Raty

 

If Canucks want Beauviller, they will have to add a young player or prospect in the trade.  I don't think

the Nucks want to let go of Hogs just yet, so maybe Karlsson?  He has potential and still has another

year before RFA.

 

I would love to see the Nucks ending up with Beauviller + Raty.  They also free up $2.5m cap space.

[Phil_314]

56 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I'd prefer Beauviller as well, but I'm not sure Brock's value is right now.  Basically Bailey is a cap dump so that the NYI can make the trade.  That's why I slipped in Raty

 

If Canucks want Beauviller, they will have to add a young player or prospect in the trade.  I don't think the Nucks want to let go of Hogs just yet, so maybe Karlsson?  He has potential and still has another year before RFA.

 

I would love to see the Nucks ending up with Beauviller + Raty.  They also free up $2.5m cap space.

Here's Beauvillier's stats, not exactly game-breaking so I think at worst it's 1-for-1. 

Knowing our management we might foolishly throw in a pick but I really hope not.

[higgyfan]

1 minute ago, Phil_314 said:

Here's Beauvillier's stats, not exactly game-breaking so I think at worst it's 1-for-1. 

Knowing our management we might foolishly throw in a pick but I really hope not.

Adding Raty makes it more than a 1-1 trade.