[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Edmonton Oilers | Dec. 23, 2022

[Timråfan]

22 minutes ago, J-23 said:

Ya, maybe Nemec alone. Not Nemec, a 1st, Holtz, Severson lol.

Nemec isn’t anywhere near the value of the three together. It doesn’t matter if he will be the no 1 1D in NHL. He can’t be a Hughes. 
It seems you only look at one Hughes… 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

14 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Next year Myers is a steal after his 5M bonus is paid in July. His cost will be 1M while his cap hit is 6.

Get the phone number to the Arizona GM tatoo'd on JR's hand so he won't forget.

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Timråfan said:

Nemec isn’t anywhere near the value of the three together. It doesn’t matter if he will be the no 1 1D in NHL. He can’t be a Hughes. 
It seems you only look at one Hughes… 

Lol exactly.

 

We’re not talking about a regular deal here. We’re talking about one where one team would clearly be more motivated than usual to acquire a player (for obvious reasons).

 

The marketing alone would make them forget about those pieces given up pretty quickly.

 

Who do you think the Devils would take in the draft if Nemec and Hughes were the same draft year? Of course they would take Hughes.

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

A buyout of the contract is the only out with OEL as he has a NMC 

 

Miller is the completely wrong timeline for this team and was never the right move.  Further more, he's not really as equipped to be a C as they (and the rest of us) had hoped.  At this point, he's pretty much a PP specialist.

 

As I've said, to truly move the needle this team needs a hugely lopsided trade and there's only two players who will accomplish that and of the two, one of them was declared untouchable and one of them.has a very unique situation with his two other brothers on an up and coming team, with more than a few good assets to deal with

 

I know horvat would be a rental but I think he could get a decent return still.

 

I'd rather that then trade Hughes, you don't trade Quinn Hughes.

[grandmaster]

Been a while since JT was fist star in a game. Hope we see more of this from here on…
 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[wai_lai416]

54 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So what else do they have we would need (want) that fits both the owner’s direction to keep trying to compete while also getting us much needed high end futures?  Clearly the Devils would have to add a great amount of futures to Hamilton.  

it doesn't matter what they add there's no way in hell hamilton will waive his FULL nmc to vancouver so there's nothing we want from NJ that will help now unless it's a full rebuild

[hammertime]

4 hours ago, cuporbust said:

The salary cap disagrees with you.  It's not easy to clear space. 

Super weird and yet they found 6,65 million for Brock.  

[canuck73_3]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

They'd be getting an elite offensive damn for a team looking ready to compete, to say nothing of the marketing bonanza they'd get with three elite American brothers on the same team trying to restore the Devil's back to their glory days.

Or, crazy idea. We keep our elite puck moving dman we have drafted and developed. I’m interested in building the Canucks not the Devils. 

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

They absolutely would love the three Hughes boys for marketing.  I don’t know what they have we want?  I think they would insist we take Doogie Howser Hamilton though.  So add to him.  

The youngest brother is wearing Quinn's #43 at the WJC. 

[Hairy Kneel]

 

[Canuck Surfer]

14 hours ago, eeeeergh said:

Idk what people’s beef with Miller is - he’s not getting paid McKinnon money,

There is nothing wrong with Miller.

 

Like OEL, we were just spending 1sts & boatloads of cap.

 

* When it would not elevate us to being contenders.

* When it cost us the high picks to create a sustainable run of core players behind Petey & Hughes

* Reduced the value of picks we kept by artificially inflated performance

 

Now we have cap problems. Cannot sustain even the core we have now.  

 

It was just a bad plan.

[eeeeergh]

Just now, Canuck Surfer said:

There is nothing wrong with Miller.

 

Like OEL, we were just spending 1sts & boatloads of cap.

 

* When it would not elevate us to being contenders.

* When it cost us the high picks to create a sustainable run of core players behind Petey & Hughes

* Reduced the value of picks we kept by artificially inflated performance

 

Now we have cap problems. Cannot sustain even the core we have now.  

 

It was just a bad plan.

The Miller deal =\= OEL

agreed the OEL deal was absurd 

 

Miller would not be easily replaced if let go, and his ask was completely fair. 
 

re-signing him was the right move, unless someone was going to part with a big big haul. 
 

 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Or, crazy idea. We keep our elite puck moving dman we have drafted and developed. I’m interested in building the Canucks not the Devils. 

I'd be interested in the two potentially elite players and first round pick that they would get back, coming the other way.......plus the $ for Horvat.

 

I like Hughes, but I dont see him as the franchise dman that many do.  He's a good 5v5 damn and a good puck distributor on the PP, buthes not irreplaceable.

 

Again, you only trade him for a huge return, you're not dumping him.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

8 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

The Miller deal =\= OEL

agreed the OEL deal was absurd 

 

Miller would not be easily replaced if let go, and his ask was completely fair. 
 

re-signing him was the right move, unless someone was going to part with a big big haul. 
 

 

Yeah Miller is still a legit first line forward right now.  OEL is barely looking like a 2nd pairing defenseman right now (and I"m probably being nice).

Edited December 24, 2022 by NewbieCanuckFan

[CanucksJay]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'd be interested in the two potentially elite players and first round pick that they would get back, coming the other way.......plus the $ for Horvat.

 

I like Hughes, but I dont see him as the franchise dman that many do.  He's a good 5v5 damn and a good puck distributor on the PP, buthes not irreplaceable.

 

Again, you only trade him for a huge return, you're not dumping him.

I feel the way you do about Hughes but then he has a play like yesterday where he angles off an oiler who was trying to go around behind the net and strips him clean and comes back up ice with the puck going the otherway on a clean breakout without losing stride. 

I wonder if he'll make more of those types of defensive plays as he gets older and stronger and learns which angles work best. I feel like he's still learning how to defend at an nhl level and the kids hockey iq, skills, and skating is off the charts. Size is literally the only flaw but he shows glimpses of overcoming that deficit with better angle/more leveraged attack every year. 

[Ferlands_Head]

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

Nemec isn’t anywhere near the value of the three together. It doesn’t matter if he will be the no 1 1D in NHL. He can’t be a Hughes. 
It seems you only look at one Hughes… 

We don’t even know he will be a 1D in the NHL. But sure let’s trade our proven elite puck moving 1D for a guy who might become one. Ridiculous how overhyped prospects are on here. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, CanucksJay said:

I feel the way you do about Hughes but then he has a play like yesterday where he angles off an oiler who was trying to go around behind the net and strips him clean and comes back up ice with the puck going the otherway on a clean breakout without losing stride. 

I wonder if he'll make more of those types of defensive plays as he gets older and stronger and learns which angles work best. I feel like he's still learning how to defend at an nhl level and the kids hockey iq, skills, and skating is off the charts. Size is literally the only flaw but he shows glimpses of overcoming that deficit with better angle/more leveraged attack every year. 

Out-skated McDavid and then knocked him over.  Hughes is irreplaceable.  Petey, Demko, Hughes, Miller, Bo.  Build around these five core guys.  

[stawns]

1 minute ago, CanucksJay said:

I feel the way you do about Hughes but then he has a play like yesterday where he angles off an oiler who was trying to go around behind the net and strips him clean and comes back up ice with the puck going the otherway on a clean breakout without losing stride. 

I wonder if he'll make more of those types of defensive plays as he gets older and stronger and learns which angles work best. I feel like he's still learning how to defend at an nhl level and the kids hockey iq, skills, and skating is off the charts. Size is literally the only flaw but he shows glimpses of overcoming that deficit with better angle/more leveraged attack every year. 

he's a great dman and it's been a long time since they've had a scoring dman, but they have lots of firepower and Hughes doesn't score goals.  On the pp, OEL is almost as good distributing the puck and he can score. 

 

I like him, but I just think they'd be further ahead if they got a huge deal for him.

[J-23]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

I think the point is we don’t care what Jersey wants.  Hughes is the missing brother to their marketing dreams, and he’s locked up for the long term.  They either pay what we want or we keep him and they continue in obscurity.  The home shopping channel (likely) draws more viewers. 

New Jersey is not going to pay what we want lol.

 

And we aren’t moving arguably our best defencemen in franchise history.

Edited December 24, 2022 by J-23