Zerofaith Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Nobody blinks when JR says that Petey is the only untouchable. Then when it looks like they're going to move Horvat, the sky is falling. Look, I would totally prefer Horvat to stay on this team but he wants too much money and you can't be paying your 2C like a 1C. The management group, all of them, have lots of experience in hockey. Surely they see what we see in terms of evaluation. Centres are more important than wingers and Horvat is a natural centre and Miller is way better on the wing. So why did they sign Miller first? Did they think Horvat was a slam dunk? No they've offered Horvat the max they think they could pay their 2C. I don't know what that figure is. But if Horvat wants way more than they can offer, they have to be prepared to get up from the table. If they're going to have this team's salary structure workable, they have to be disciplined. Not like the previous GM. You pay your stars but you can't pay players in supporting roles like stars too. Petey is the headliner. Hughes is really good but he needs help from a defensively strong partner. True #1 D's don't need help. And you shouldnt pay a 2nd line winger 8 million by that logic Edited January 21, 2023 by Zerofaith 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Can't believe it. Couldn't believe Rutherford threw Bruce under the bus last season after pulling off an incredible run and turning the team around. It was BS then and it's BS now. Just disgusting and classless. Bruce deserves so much better and so do fans. Yeah, all they’ve done is come in and crap all over the roster, the coaching and “country club” locker room (alright) but then double down on it all. Theb, turn around and throw the blame at Bruce and a tight cap that everyone in the league is dealing with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 And what kind of bs double talk is this? Quote “All I can say is that Bruce [Boudreau] is our coach right now,” Rutherford told media members, despite well-circulated rumours that Rick Tocchet is all but pencilled in as Vancouver’s bench boss moving forward. "But with that, I’m calling and talking, but don’t know that we’re making a change and don’t want to make a change.” ...and don't want to make a change??? If you're "calling and talking" then you obviously...want to make a change. What a dumbass statement. You don't do those things unless that's what you're thinking. Wishy washy doesn't cut it anymore. We're not stupid. He made up his mind...clearly. He's giving jobs to all his people and, in the process, trying to sell us the idea that he's not really wanting to do what he's doing. Give it a rest. Even IF Bruce isn't the right coach for this group...the next guy had better be at this point. Because there's a team in place to fix what's broken and if they don't know then they're likely part of the problem, not the solution. At least Bruce had this team going. He turned them around last year but how quickly some forget. Quote Rutherford was largely non-committal on his head coach Commit. That's your job....be open, transparent and don't be sneaky (like you're trying to be). If you've lined up your guy, own it. The guy behind the bench deserves full support until he isn't there. That isn't happening and that's just garbage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I dont like how it has played out. I love Bruce even if I think a coaching change was necessary. That being said: People wanted more transparency from this org. So when the rubber hits the road, here we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: We’ve been one of the worst run since our control happy owner thought is smart to fire Gillis and hire Benning. Gillis deserved to be fired for sure. None of his draft picks were making impacts on the main team, despite starting an AHL team. In fact, the AHL teams that were constructed were done very roughly. None of them were winning teams, which in turn hurt the Canucks because we had no prospect pool to draw from. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Nobody blinks when JR says that Petey is the only untouchable. Then when it looks like they're going to move Horvat, the sky is falling. Look, I would totally prefer Horvat to stay on this team but he wants too much money and you can't be paying your 2C like a 1C. The management group, all of them, have lots of experience in hockey. Surely they see what we see in terms of evaluation. Centres are more important than wingers and Horvat is a natural centre and Miller is way better on the wing. So why did they sign Miller first? Did they think Horvat was a slam dunk? No they've offered Horvat the max they think they could pay their 2C. I don't know what that figure is. But if Horvat wants way more than they can offer, they have to be prepared to get up from the table. If they're going to have this team's salary structure workable, they have to be disciplined. Not like the previous GM. You pay your stars but you can't pay players in supporting roles like stars too. Petey is the headliner. Hughes is really good but he needs help from a defensively strong partner. True #1 D's don't need help. Yikes. Are you saying that Miller is worth more than Horvat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: I dont like how it has played out. I love Bruce even if I think a coaching change was necessary. That being said: People wanted more transparency from this org. So when the rubber hits the road, here we are. What transparency? You call lying to the fanbase transparency? He has made numerous outright lies so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Alflives said: Exactly! JR is a puppet of our owner. JR has said the plan is to do exactly like Benning did. And Gillis before him. And Nonis refused to do, so he was quickly fired. JR is proving to have no character. Gillis stood up to the owner. Gillis did too. And so did Linden. JR cares more about keeping his high profile job than doing what’s best for the long term health of our team. He’s a coward. How this plays out, will say a lot about JRs' priority. Imo, the current FO are more interested about earning another contract vs doing what is best for the team. Basically, they will double down to appease Francesco Edited January 21, 2023 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure2Win Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Canucks management and ownership should treat Bruce with respect and dignity and not like the pricks they are, i'm truly embarrassed to be a Canucks fan for the first time in 30 years. Absolutely pathetic handling of the situation and they should be ashamed! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Gillis deserved to be fired for sure. None of his draft picks were making impacts on the main team, despite starting an AHL team. In fact, the AHL teams that were constructed were done very roughly. None of them were winning teams, which in turn hurt the Canucks because we had no prospect pool to draw from. Gillis was the GM during our most successful teams. That’s not arguable. A smart, and not controlling owner, would have listened to our most successful GM ever, when he said we needed to rebuild. But our owner has no stomach for a rebuild. So he foolishly fired Gillis and hired Benning. He wanted a puppet and got one. And now, 10 years later, we are seeing the results. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Gillis was the GM during our most successful teams. That’s not arguable. A smart, and not controlling owner, would have listened to our most successful GM ever, when he said we needed to rebuild. But our owner has no stomach for a rebuild. So he foolishly fired Gillis and hired Benning. He wanted a puppet and got one. And now, 10 years later, we are seeing the results. Using your logic then, that means all the successes (and failures) that the Canucks had were due to Aquilini. After all, you just said that everyone was hired to do the job has to do things according to Aquilini's master plan. Newsflash: there are jobs that every position of the organization has that Aquilini may not be exposed to. Drafting, for example, is not the responsibility of an owner. That's why people are paid to fly out and take notes on players. It's the drafting that's been the biggest failure of Gillis' tenure. There are 33 picks that failed out of 37. The four that succeeded were: Hodgson (1st round pick) Hutton (5th round pick) Connauton (never played with the canucks, traded away for a playoff push) Horvat Essentially, only three players made a significant impact for the Canucks. 3 players out of 37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Gillis was the GM during our most successful teams. That’s not arguable. A smart, and not controlling owner, would have listened to our most successful GM ever, when he said we needed to rebuild. But our owner has no stomach for a rebuild. So he foolishly fired Gillis and hired Benning. He wanted a puppet and got one. And now, 10 years later, we are seeing the results. It was still salvageable even after Gillis. Linden being canned was the turning point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted January 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2023 I would like to hereby make a motion that the Bruce there it is emoji stay for the entirety of the 2023/2024 season as a show of support for a great and classy coach and as a reminder for how shabbily this new management group has treated him. We as Canucks stand by our people and as Canucks expect and demand a higher standard of conduct among our leaders. A standard that is incredibly lacking this far and is absolutely shameful to see being foisted upon a future HOF coach 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Using your logic then, that means all the successes (and failures) that the Canucks had were due to Aquilini. After all, you just said that everyone was hired to do the job has to do things according to Aquilini's master plan. Newsflash: there are jobs that every position of the organization has that Aquilini may not be exposed to. Drafting, for example, is not the responsibility of an owner. That's why people are paid to fly out and take notes on players. It's the drafting that's been the biggest failure of Gillis' tenure. There are 33 picks that failed out of 37. The four that succeeded were: Hodgson (1st round pick) Hutton (5th round pick) Connauton (never played with the canucks, traded away for a playoff push) Horvat Essentially, only three players made a significant impact for the Canucks. 3 players out of 37. What? Gillis’ was following the direction of the owner. Sacrifice the future to win now. He did it well, but it wasn’t sustainable. Benning was just terrible on all accounts. Nice guy. Easier to like than Gillis for sure. But absolutely a worse GM. Not arguable. Just look at the team results. Very clear. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Heffy Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: What? Gillis’ was following the direction of the owner. Sacrifice the future to win now. He did it well, but it wasn’t sustainable. Benning was just terrible on all accounts. Nice guy. Easier to like than Gillis for sure. But absolutely a worse GM. Not arguable. Just look at the team results. Very clear. Neither did a good job as GM, and both have done a ton of damage to the organization. Both far more professional than the scumbags currently running the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofaith Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Holy shit if this doesn’t tell you how rotted this team is idk what will. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Just par for the course for this place. Finding it harder and harder to be a fan....it took 38 years but here we are.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooks Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Actually boycott the arena and cheer from your living rooms from a pirated source. Let them feed the 24$ beers to the crickets. They don’t deserve our money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Dazzle said: What transparency? You call lying to the fanbase transparency? He has made numerous outright lies so far. Im not familiar with these numerous outright lies-care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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