Anyone feeling more confident in the plan or direction that management sort of set for this team?

[Guest]

I feel pretty good about the direction of the team. 

My only worry is with the drafting.  Lekkerimakki doesn't seem like a great pick, and the best guy from 2022 draft so far is Petey 2.0 who was a 3rd round pick made by Todd Harvey who is left over from previous regime.  

 

That's my minor gripe so far, otherwise looks like we are going to embrace sucking for a year or two and then keep building upon Petey, Quinn, and Demko...  and I'm okay with that. 

[wildcam]

ASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT (VAN)	CAP HIT (ARI)
2023-24	$10,500,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$8,083,333	$146,667	$20,000
2024-25	$8,000,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$5,583,333	$2,346,667	$320,000
2025-26	$5,250,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$2,833,333	$4,766,667	$650,000
2026-27	$5,250,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$2,833,333	$4,766,667	$650,000
2027-28	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2028-29	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2029-30	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2030-31	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
TOTAL	$29,000,000	$33,000,000	$0	$19,333,333	$19,333,333	$9,666,667	$20,533,336 (88%)	$2,800,000 (12%)

[wildcam]

Just now, wildcam said:

ASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT (VAN)	CAP HIT (ARI)
2023-24	$10,500,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$8,083,333	$146,667	$20,000
2024-25	$8,000,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$5,583,333	$2,346,667	$320,000
2025-26	$5,250,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$2,833,333	$4,766,667	$650,000
2026-27	$5,250,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$2,833,333	$4,766,667	$650,000
2027-28	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2028-29	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2029-30	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2030-31	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
TOTAL	$29,000,000	$33,000,000	$0	$19,333,333	$19,333,333	$9,666,667	$20,533,336 (88%)	$2,800,000 (12%)

Canucks save money  next season but 2224-25  2.3mil    2025-26 - 4.7million -- 2026-27 -- 4.7million  little lower 2.1 million until 2030-31 season.

will be interesting if ownership buy out OEL...

 

[Viper007]

1 hour ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Maybe its just me but I am still confused as to what the management so far is trying to accomplish. I get what they got for Bo Horvat but maybe I am just shocked as to how low the value of some of the players we want traded has become. It's actually depressing. I just wish something could be done to improve our blueline beause its been a long time with the same group of players. I am pretty impatient right now just because I don't see how they improve it. It's a grind. A slow process I guess but man I thought this new management had some tricks up their sleeves but they just seem as exasperated as everyone else and they know its going to take way longer. Does anyone else feel confident in what's going on right now in terms of actually being able to be competitive in two years? I just don't see it. I just want to know everyone's confidence in this group right now?

We don't want them to improve the blueline for this season.  We need to wait till the offseason for the improvements.  I don't understand why you keep questioning the present when we don't want anything improved with the team.

[Westcoasting]

1 hour ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Maybe its just me but I am still confused as to what the management so far is trying to accomplish. I get what they got for Bo Horvat but maybe I am just shocked as to how low the value of some of the players we want traded has become. It's actually depressing. I just wish something could be done to improve our blueline beause its been a long time with the same group of players. I am pretty impatient right now just because I don't see how they improve it. It's a grind. A slow process I guess but man I thought this new management had some tricks up their sleeves but they just seem as exasperated as everyone else and they know its going to take way longer. Does anyone else feel confident in what's going on right now in terms of actually being able to be competitive in two years? I just don't see it. I just want to know everyone's confidence in this group right now?

Until any team makes it to the finals I have no trust in their plan! This salary cap situation has made trading impossible so time is the only answer for so many teams.

[Alflives]

Buy out OEL and Garland this summer. Then the direction looks better. 

[Coconuts]

Not really, I expect more losing for a while before we get to the point where it's more winning 

[Ghostsof1915]

The contracts that Benning provided were bad, and they are going to be very hard to get out of.

I'm actually ok with Miller's contract. (Will he be a 70-90 point player? No idea. But 52 points in 57 games, over 82 games that would be 74 points)

However Brock, we should have mid-season last year looked at trading him.

The team offered a deal to Bo, he turned it down. So the team traded him, and got a decent return

 

This management is inconsistent. For every hit (Kuzmenko) we get a miss (Stillman, now he is improving so again time will tell).

 

Management is stuck with some horrible contracts. It's going to take some doing to get out of it. (Some of it is self inflicted)

 

I'm getting the feeling that management won't last long enough to truly find out. Nonis lasted only 4 years.

 

This trade deadline and draft, and offseason I think will make or break the team.

 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

The contracts that Benning provided were bad, and they are going to be very hard to get out of.

I'm actually ok with Miller's contract. (Will he be a 70-90 point player? No idea. But 52 points in 57 games, over 82 games that would be 74 points)

However Brock, we should have mid-season last year looked at trading him.

The team offered a deal to Bo, he turned it down. So the team traded him, and got a decent return

 

This management is inconsistent. For every hit (Kuzmenko) we get a miss (Stillman, now he is improving so again time will tell).

 

Management is stuck with some horrible contracts. It's going to take some doing to get out of it. (Some of it is self inflicted)

 

I'm getting the feeling that management won't last long enough to truly find out. Nonis lasted only 4 years.

 

This trade deadline and draft, and offseason I think will make or break the team.

 

Nonis got canned because he stood up to the owner and refused to trade futures for instant help that would hurt the club long term. If our owner is actually keeping his snout out of hockey ops (which it appears he is now doing) then we will take a couple steps back over the next two seasons, but we will be a better club in the long term for it. 

[Nucker 67]

I have confidence in this management team. Looking at who they let go and who they brought in so far (players), they have done quite a bit, and they are younger.

 

Kuzmenko has been a revelation. They got him and re-signed him.

 

The Horvat trade was bold and it's looking pretty good so far. It'll look even better if the Canucks draft a really good prospect with the NYI 1st. Beauvillier seems to mesh really well with Petey and if Raty works out, bonus! There's still a lot of work to do. Contracts have to expire/bought out and players traded. I think the off season will be busy, and Tocchet will hold a tough training camp. They'll be ready for Game 1 (unlike this season)

 

As for drafting, I love the DElias Pettersson pick and I'm going to be patient with Lekkerimaki. He's still a kid and still needs to develop/learn/get stronger. Can't wait for the 2023 Draft, will be a boost to the prospect pool. 

[Chicken.]

1 hour ago, wildcam said:

ASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT (VAN)	CAP HIT (ARI)
2023-24	$10,500,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$8,083,333	$146,667	$20,000
2024-25	$8,000,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$5,583,333	$2,346,667	$320,000
2025-26	$5,250,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$2,833,333	$4,766,667	$650,000
2026-27	$5,250,000	$8,250,000	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	$2,833,333	$4,766,667	$650,000
2027-28	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2028-29	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2029-30	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
2030-31	$0	$0	$0	$2,416,667	$2,416,667	-$2,416,667	$2,126,667	$290,000
TOTAL	$29,000,000	$33,000,000	$0	$19,333,333	$19,333,333	$9,666,667	$20,533,336 (88%)	$2,800,000 (12%)

TBH the buyout here looks like a lot of long-term pain for some short-term gain... I would rather wait a year or two to buy him out I think. 

[hammertime]

[wai_lai416]

2 hours ago, Angry Goose said:

This off season is the litmus test (to a degree).  

 

Myers/OEL were immovable last off season.  Myers has to go this off season. Bear was a nice add.  

 

Kuzy, Mikheyev, Aman, Joshua, Studnicka were good adds.

 

They doubled down on Miller and Boeser (to trade eventually but thats proving difficult).

 

More needed imo

lol if they end up trading boeser with retention that should already be a fireable offence on this management group lol.. not even a year into the questionable signing they have to retain to trade him? i really dont care what we get back at this point coz u ain't getting anything good + having to retain lol.

[Crabcakes]

In Rutherford's first interview as President, he said that the most important part of his job was to "manage up".  In other words to sell the owner on his vision, strategy and key moves.  This, right away, separated him from practically every other manager in the Aquilini era.

 

Next point, we have a couple of things going on with the top management that needs to be remembered:

1. Management has been climbing the learning curve with this organization.  They have been trying to formulate a strategy at the same time as they evaluate the management group and the roster.  
2. Rutherford hired a GM in Allvin who had never been a GM before and he also said in his first interview that his role was to be an advisor to Allvin and that Allvin was the one who was going to be making the deals.   
3. They have also learned to appreciate who the core players really are and who is out for themselves over the over all group. 

I think that the core, in the opinion of management has become Petey and Hughes and that they're building around these 2 players now.  In the revised strategy, we're seeing Allvin go after draft picks, young highly rated prospects and roster players no older than 26.  I really hope that they're including Demko as core but I haven't heard it said outright.  But players like Boeser and others are clearly on the list to help clear cap space. 

 

Beauvillier, the most recent add, is a good skater and can play multiple roles.  They're happy with Kuzmenko as a player for the future and have re-signed him to a good contract (short and not too much).

 

We're going to see players moved out and signed as opportunity allows moving forward.  This clearly depends on the salary cap determined by the league and how willing other teams are to make deals which will open up cap space

 

To me, it is becoming more clear what the plan is unlike the previous regime which seemed to always be reacting to the latest whim of ownership.

[BertaNuck]

They have a chance to do something remarkable here with 2 potential high first round picks that can turn this franchise around for a decade, the only successful one to ever do it with 2 although they were higher picks was Brian Burke with the sedins 

 

this draft is what will steer the ship for a decade weather it’s straight into the iceberg or to the Stanley cup 

 

 

don’t f$@& it up 

[Ballisticsports.]

1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

I have confidence in this management team. Looking at who they let go and who they brought in so far (players), they have done quite a bit, and they are younger.

 

Kuzmenko has been a revelation. They got him and re-signed him.

 

The Horvat trade was bold and it's looking pretty good so far. It'll look even better if the Canucks draft a really good prospect with the NYI 1st. Beauvillier seems to mesh really well with Petey and if Raty works out, bonus! There's still a lot of work to do. Contracts have to expire/bought out and players traded. I think the off season will be busy, and Tocchet will hold a tough training camp. They'll be ready for Game 1 (unlike this season)

 

As for drafting, I love the DElias Pettersson pick and I'm going to be patient with Lekkerimaki. He's still a kid and still needs to develop/learn/get stronger. Can't wait for the 2023 Draft, will be a boost to the prospect pool. 

I agree with you, a big tangled mess of "nots" takes time to untangle, with league wide cap restraints and contract restrictions and being over paid

They didn't ruin a Stanley Cup team to the basement, and I will be patient for a few years 

 

I think the plan was to hide Kuz at the beginning of the year, and play Boeser with EP and up his value for a trade, but of course BB got hurt, and Kuz playing so well lowered BB value and chance to get points off EP

 

Not worried about a 15 oa draft pick in Lekkerimaki at such a young age. He was considered gifted (like Hughes) to us as being a top 10 on all mock drafts

[Curmudgeon]

I have no outside concrete evidence, but in my job I was in a position similar to that of a coach; responsible for building a team that was willing to work together and compromise when necessary for the good of the team. I always felt that the first year was spent learning and beginning to chip away at old habits, the second year was spent implementing clearer and more precise expectations for everybody, and in the third year, it was my team and everybody had sipped the Kool-Aid of selfless devotion to the goals of the team. Put another way: Year 1: Sow the seeds of change, Year 2: Accelerate the change and purge bad habits, Year 3: Consolidate and move forward with a clear vision and a shared commitment.

 

Which is a long-winded way of saying that the new regime has been in place just over a year, and certainly have sown the seeds of change. I would predict that Year 2 will see dramatic and team-altering change. By the middle of year 3, they should be a contending team. It can be done, but massive change takes time and the cool-headed patience is necessary. 

[Comeback_Kings]

I'm upgrading my take on management to a yes and a no C grade at this time and think they'll get better marks to come.  I think they intend to compete as early as next year and into the next couple of seasons, not wasting the prime years of Petey, Hughes, Demko and Miller.  They like the team's prospects and think they'll grow existing and additional prospects into players in under 1 to 3 years (Hoglander, Podkolzin, Raty, Aman, Klimovich, D Petey).  They want to target and trade for additional prospects that are within 2 years of stepping into the nhl and see if they can get some of these players to work out.

 

Their mistake was resigning Boeser, because it meant not keeping both Miller and Horvat, but maybe they wanted Horvat out all along.  Horvat can outscore Boeser, but neither of them play the hard to play against game they are looking for.  They want a large part of this team to be bigger and nastier, that's why Tochet has been brought in as coach.  They want to fix the defensive structure of the team and keep up the scoring.   They waited till the season was pretty much over and done with before finally moving Horvat.  That decision together with no Demko (poor goaltending) has killed this season.  Yes, they need to find a way to fix the D and the penalty kill as well.  It is difficult to improve the team when overpaying OEL, Myers and Boeser in a limited cap environment.  They've been patient, too patient, but I'm sure glad there is a trade DEADLINE!   Hopefully they make the best of this deadline in a lost season.  

 

 

[Mando27]

Think It all depends on whether or not they are able to resign Petey.

[timberz21]

Isn't that a subject for after trade deadline?