zimmy Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 55 minutes ago, Fanuck said: What a great attitude in a young prospect. Makes you wonder how/why some kids are like Tryamkin and some turn out like entitled brats (Drouin/Ho-Sang)? Pretty much always the answer is parenting whether from the perspective of the qualities instilled at home, to the type of parental influence a coach or coaches have and then to the advice offered by agents and money men. These young guys don't become spoiled rotters on their own very often. But then genuine humility is a getting harder and harder to find in general within our younger generations IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: What a great attitude in a young prospect. Makes you wonder how/why some kids are like Tryamkin and some turn out like entitled brats (Drouin/Ho-Sang)? I think add Nakushkin to the entitled group. Love the big Russian Bear, and can't wait to see him paired with Padan. Watch out! Grrrrrrr. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) I looked at the KHL stats for defensemen, this season http://en.khl.ru/stat/players/309/defenses/ Interesting to note the best....the best D stats belong to Cam Barker.....remember him followed by Kevin Dalman...I vaguely remember him ....I couldn't find Tryamkin, although I'm sure he's there some place....found him 86th in pts.....page 9 for +/- ( it's in reverse order so he's really some where around 210.) I think we best keep our expectations in check The good news how ever is Philip Larson is 6th O/A for pts and a healthy +9 in his +/- Edited February 27, 2016 by Fred65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 48 minutes ago, Fred65 said: I looked at the KHL stats for defensemen, this season http://en.khl.ru/stat/players/309/defenses/ Interesting to note the best....the best D stats belong to Cam Barker.....remember him followed by Kevin Dalman...I vaguely remember him ....I couldn't find Tryamkin, although I'm sure he's there some place....found him 86th in pts.....page 9 for +/- ( it's in reverse order so he's really some where around 210.) I think we best keep our expectations in check The good news how ever is Philip Larson is 6th O/A for pts and a healthy +9 in his +/- Best not to put too much value in comparing KHL/NHL stats - they are essentially apples/oranges. Remember Steve Moses - don't worry, no one else does either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 yes agreed but with his size if he comes this summer works out right he will be an asset that will make the team next year!All depends how serious he is about making and playing in the NHL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: Best not to put too much value in comparing KHL/NHL stats - they are essentially apples/oranges. Remember Steve Moses - don't worry, no one else does either. Exactly Tryamkin is playing in a league where the best D is Cam Barker ! and Tryamkin is w a y behind Mr. Barker how do you expect him to suddenly turn up in camp and exceed expectations. Alexander Radulov, CSKA Sergei Mozyakin, Magnitogorsk Vadim Shipachev, St. Petersburg Brandon Bochenski, Astana Linus Omark, Ufa These are the top pts men in the KHL challenging Tryamkin game in game out. There's no Crosby or Ovechkins in this league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex425 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 11 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Exactly Tryamkin is playing in a league where the best D is Cam Barker ! and Tryamkin is w a y behind Mr. Barker how do you expect him to suddenly turn up in camp and exceed expectations. Alexander Radulov, CSKA Sergei Mozyakin, Magnitogorsk Vadim Shipachev, St. Petersburg Brandon Bochenski, Astana Linus Omark, Ufa These are the top pts men in the KHL challenging Tryamkin game in game out. There's no Crosby or Ovechkins in this league I think his point is that stats don't matter in the KHL as you think. You have a barely PPG in the KHL player in Kovalchuk, and then you have those 5 guys. Who's the better NHL player? Kovalchuk or Omark? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Exactly Tryamkin is playing in a league where the best D is Cam Barker ! and Tryamkin is w a y behind Mr. Barker how do you expect him to suddenly turn up in camp and exceed expectations. Alexander Radulov, CSKA Sergei Mozyakin, Magnitogorsk Vadim Shipachev, St. Petersburg Brandon Bochenski, Astana Linus Omark, Ufa These are the top pts men in the KHL challenging Tryamkin game in game out. There's no Crosby or Ovechkins in this league Good points!! Its my belief that Tryamkin would be a better defenseman in the NHL than he is in Europe based on the ice size alone. Trymakins size and reach should help him in taking space away from Crosby and Ovechkin. Nobody's going to know for sure until somebody try it. I doubt Tryamkin plays in the NHL this year. Hope to see him in Utica and next years preseason though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Rex425 said: I think his point is that stats don't matter in the KHL as you think. You have a barely PPG in the KHL player in Kovalchuk, and then you have those 5 guys. Who's the better NHL player? Kovalchuk or Omark? As in most games before you get too excited look at the quality of the opposition. You know ..... like men and boys...that sort of thing. Every one wants this kid to be the answer to the maidens pray.....every one.... but you can't keep looking through rose coloured glasses. At some point you have to be realistic and ask how good will he be against NHL calibre players. I doubt he comes over and leaves his tax free regime to play in Utica for peanuts. I hope he's the next Chara but...... I'm sure he's been followed throughout the year but I don't hear much from JB and that's how it should be...cautious. There's an element on this board who are self anointed back slappers and promotion people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Fred65 said: I looked at the KHL stats for defensemen, this season http://en.khl.ru/stat/players/309/defenses/ Interesting to note the best....the best D stats belong to Cam Barker.....remember him followed by Kevin Dalman...I vaguely remember him ....I couldn't find Tryamkin, although I'm sure he's there some place....found him 86th in pts.....page 9 for +/- ( it's in reverse order so he's really some where around 210.) I think we best keep our expectations in check The good news how ever is Philip Larson is 6th O/A for pts and a healthy +9 in his +/- Scoring isn't the main contribution Tryamkin would be expected to make in the NHL and single season +/- is pretty much totally irrelevant. I'm not saying Tryamkin is or isn't NHL ready (my guess is that he isn't quite there but might be kept by the Canucks next season anyway.) To me, playing about 20 min a night on a KHL playoff team (though not a top team) is more of an indication of his progress than goals and assists. If scoring ability in a lesser league was the main factor for a d-man, Jordan Subban would already be a Canuck regular. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 This is the guy that Vcr should be pulling all the stops out for Quote Report: Canucks among several NHL teams scouting pending KHL free agent Nikita Zaitsev Thomas Drance October 31 2015 07:32PM The Vancouver Canucks will be scouting pending KHL free agent Nikita Zaitsev, a physical 24-year-old right-handed shooting defenseman, at a tournament this upcoming week. They're not going to be the only NHL team with interest though. Not by a long shot. "There's a Russian prospect coming overseas next year, Nikita Zaitsev," reported Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman during Hockey Night in Canada's 'Headlines' segment. "His agent Todd Diamond said today he's definitely coming over. "There will be teams going over to see him in a tournament this week: Philadelphia, Toronto, L.A., Vancouver, Calgary are among those teams that have looked into him. And there will be more. Already some teams are going over to meet with him and see where his interests are." There's a lot to like about Zaitsev's game. He's still in his prime, and he's a thick-bodied defenseman that has produced points at a good rate in the KHL over the past couple of years. He's got a heavy shot, and has NHL-size. And he's available to teams with zero acquisition cost. Zaitsev will be subject to the entry-level system for one year, so attracting him will require teams to craft a pitch based on 'fit' and 'opportunity', since interested clubs will be unable to materially outbid each other. If the potential bidding war is as intense as it figures to be, then Zaitsev will surely get a max one-year deal with generous performances bonuses. A young international free agent with Zaitsev's two-way profile may be particularly interesting for the Canucks because of his right-handed shot. The Russian-born defenseman will turn 25-years-old early next season, so he'd be a clear NHL-level signing and based on his 12-goals in 57 KHL contests a year ago, if the Canucks can land Zaitsev, he may make for an intriguing fit on Vancouver's first power-play unit with the Sedin twins. The PCS model only produces three defenseman as comparable players for Zaitsev, all of them played in the inaugural season of KHL action and none of the three ever played games in the NHL. The lack of current NHL players with a similar track record to Zaitsev's is concerning, although, the lack of comparables is generally a positive indicator and this seems like a unique circumstance because of the KHL's expansion status in 2008. I can't find any thing to sayif he's already signed....maybe by the Leafs ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stierlitz Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Fred65 said: I looked at the KHL stats for defensemen, this season The good news how ever is Philip Larson is 6th O/A for pts and a healthy +9 in his +/- LarsEn is actually 5th in points and 2nd in goals scored among KHL defensemen after the regular season. http://en.khl.ru/stat/leaders/309/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Fred65 said: This is the guy that Vcr should be pulling all the stops out for I can't find any thing to sayif he's already signed....maybe by the Leafs ?????? Larsen is outscoring him and is only 2 years older with past NHL experience. 4 hours ago, Fred65 said: I looked at the KHL stats for defensemen, this season http://en.khl.ru/stat/players/309/defenses/ Interesting to note the best....the best D stats belong to Cam Barker.....remember him followed by Kevin Dalman...I vaguely remember him ....I couldn't find Tryamkin, although I'm sure he's there some place....found him 86th in pts.....page 9 for +/- ( it's in reverse order so he's really some where around 210.) I think we best keep our expectations in check The good news how ever is Philip Larson is 6th O/A for pts and a healthy +9 in his +/- Who cares, how are they with live hand grenades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 9 hours ago, Fred65 said: This is the guy that Vcr should be pulling all the stops out for I can't find any thing to sayif he's already signed....maybe by the Leafs ?????? While the Leafs are widely rumoured to have the inside track on Zaitsev, it would take some maneuvering to get him signed before April 30, when his KHL contract expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stierlitz Posted February 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Avto won last night 3-1 and the series is now tied at 2-2. Tryamkin played 21:17 which is still the most in his team (they played 8 defensemen). He had 2 SOG, 2 hits, 1 blocked shot and 2 PIM for hooking. Edited February 28, 2016 by Stierlitz 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 17 hours ago, Fred65 said: As in most games before you get too excited look at the quality of the opposition. You know ..... like men and boys...that sort of thing. Every one wants this kid to be the answer to the maidens pray.....every one.... but you can't keep looking through rose coloured glasses. At some point you have to be realistic and ask how good will he be against NHL calibre players. I doubt he comes over and leaves his tax free regime to play in Utica for peanuts. I hope he's the next Chara but...... I'm sure he's been followed throughout the year but I don't hear much from JB and that's how it should be...cautious. There's an element on this board who are self anointed back slappers and promotion people. Totally agree! Fans can jump to a lot of conclusions on blind hope. IMHO the KHL is not as strong as the AHL for overall skills development. The SEL is even worse so I am not getting overly excited about for Tryamkin, Larson or Rodin. At least Larson and Rodin have NA experience. Next fall will be very interesting for the Canucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 22 hours ago, tyhee said: Scoring isn't the main contribution Tryamkin would be expected to make in the NHL and single season +/- is pretty much totally irrelevant. I'm not saying Tryamkin is or isn't NHL ready (my guess is that he isn't quite there but might be kept by the Canucks next season anyway.) To me, playing about 20 min a night on a KHL playoff team (though not a top team) is more of an indication of his progress than goals and assists. If scoring ability in a lesser league was the main factor for a d-man, Jordan Subban would already be a Canuck regular. Yes. If going by a single metric, TOI is probably the most revealing stat when it comes to Dmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Hugor Hill said: Yes. If going by a single metric, TOI is probably the most revealing stat when it comes to Dmen. Really? Wasn't weber getting like 18mins with us earlier this year? Lol. Just seems far fetched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 always takes players 10 plus games to get used to different leagues,so time will tell but so far he looks capable of playing long minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted March 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2016 Why is everyone putting so much emphasis on Tryamkins point production. There's more to playing defense than that. Its great if you have someone who can run the powerplay and put up points, but its also important to have someone who can clear the net on the penalty kill, box people out and punish them in the corners. I'll be pretty happy if he is just really hard to play against in our own zone and shuts people down. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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