NEON.KNEE Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 What an ass. Resorting to name calling for a difference of opinion is childish and against the board rules... I suggest you grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Resorting to name calling for a difference of opinion is childish and against the board rules... I suggest you grow up.What opinion did you offer up? Grow up? You've said that in both your posts yet have zero reason to back it up. I made a statement that had reasoning behind it. By all means go running to a moderator now that you've exhausted your one option for responding to a post you don't agree with. Don't like being called an ass? Don't be one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I hope we draft Carlo. He has that size, stride, physicality and pure shutdown capability that this team lacks in a single blue liner. He could add stability to our back end and deal with big forwards not to mention he has great hands and can create scoring opportunities with his highly coveted passing ability. He may lack a bit offensively but can open space for Subban to work some magic while being his defensive insurance policy. He also has sandpaper and leadership value. Sounds like a franchise shutdown dman to me. This team has a terrible draft record quite honestly apart from some obvious standouts so it's no wonder we've missed out on a Stevens, Pronger or Keith. THANK YOU. Finally someone sees what i see in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Christian Ehrhoff was as close it as got. He manned our powerplay for a good 2 years, and it was the deadliest powerplay we ever had in team history with exception of the 94 version of the Canucks, which we had Jeff Brown, (deadliest offensive dman in canuck history) With the help of Christian Ehrhoff, the Canucks for the 1st time in team history, had an art ross winner, and for the 1st time in team history we had the number 1 powerplay in the NHL. the people that say "oh we don't need him" really baffles me. Ed Jovanovski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 No love for Sami Salo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Ed Jovanovski? No love for Sami Salo? Both really good # 2's. Ohlund was probably the closest thing we ever had to a true #1D. That guy could punish opposition at both ends of the ice and play big minutes. Lacked a bit of offense to be considered a true #1 though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Man. I miss Jovocop He could turn a losing game into a win and was nasty. My favourite moment was when a player stuck his knee out on Ed's Knee but the player got hurt instead and went down. Ed just pummeled the the idiot anyways for sticking his knee out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucks-4-Life Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Do you guys think Jordan Subban would have a better shot at making it in the NHL as a forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_T83 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Everyone disagreeing with this thread is an idiot. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2322310-ranking-the-nhl-teams-with-the-worst-draft-record-since-2000/page/11 I've seen this sentiment many times that the Canucks are amongst the top 5 worst drafting teams in the NHL over the last 10-15 years. This is completely unacceptable. Jim Benning should fire 50% of the Canucks scouting staff, just like Peter Chiarelli did in Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Everyone disagreeing with this thread is an idiot. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2322310-ranking-the-nhl-teams-with-the-worst-draft-record-since-2000/page/11 I've seen this sentiment many times that the Canucks are amongst the top 5 worst drafting teams in the NHL over the last 10-15 years. This is completely unacceptable. Jim Benning should fire 50% of the Canucks scouting staff, just like Peter Chiarelli did in Edmonton. Why fire them? Sometimes all it takes is a good leader to steer them in the right direction. Benning seems to be a talent scout at heart and can easily instruct his scouting staff on how to be better scouts or at least how to look for the things that Benning himself looks for. Firing your staff is a scapegoat move especially when you are not really familiar with how they have performed their jobs prior to your arrival. Real leaders assess what they have before they begin replacing people. Their track record isn't exactly glowing but a few good years can erase some previously poor ones. Unless of course you are a jaded fan who can't see the good in anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Everyone disagreeing with this thread is an idiot. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2322310-ranking-the-nhl-teams-with-the-worst-draft-record-since-2000/page/11 I've seen this sentiment many times that the Canucks are amongst the top 5 worst drafting teams in the NHL over the last 10-15 years. This is completely unacceptable. Jim Benning should fire 50% of the Canucks scouting staff, just like Peter Chiarelli did in Edmonton. Since 2000, in the first round + standout players/prospects: 00: Nathan Smith (Notable: Kevin Bieksa, 5th Rd.) 01: RJ Umberger 02: Kirill Koltsov 03: Ryan Kesler 04: Cory Schneider (Notables: Alex Edler, 3rd Rd; Jannik Hansen, 9th Rd.) 05: Luc Bourdon (RIP) (Notable: Mason Raymond, 2nd Rd.) 06: Michael Grabner 07: Patrick White 08: Cody Hodgson 09: Jordan Schroeder (Notable: Kevin Connauton, 3rd Rd.) 10: Patrick McNally (4th Rd.) 11: Nicklas Jensen (Notable: Frank Corrado, 5th Rd.) 12: Brendan Gaunce 13: Bo Horvat, Hunter Shinkaruk (Notable: Cole Cassels, 3rd Rd.) 14: Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann (Notable: Thatcher Demko, 2nd Rd.) We suck at drafting. Only since 2011 have we started to get better. McNally, 2010, has the potential to be a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Motorcycles are why we never had a legit #1 dman. Very sad and very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Lets see how Detroit (supposedly the best at drafting does in comparison Jurco instead of Saad Sheahan instead of Toffoli Ferraro instead of O'Reilly McCollum instead of Voynov/Josi Smith instead of PK Subban Kindl instead of Letang My point is, you can make even the best team look retarded when try to prove a point with these types of facts. Yes our scouting has been very poor, but predicting who's going to be the one star out of a draft class out of the top 10 is pretty tough. If you think its so easy, then pick a player in this year's draft and you'll see if you are right 5 years from now. To add to that the year they drafted Zetterberg in the 7th round, they drafted Jari Tolsa, Andrei Maximenko and Kent McDonell in the 4th, 5th and 6th. The year they drafted Datsyuk, they drafted 6 similarly forgettable players with 2 NHL games played among them after picking Jiri Fischer in the 1st round. Lidstrom? Sillinger and Bob Boughner in the 1st and 2nd rounds - proper NHL players, but only a couple of seasons in Detroit among them and certainly no Lidstrom. Hindsight is a terrible way to try and justify one pick versus another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Vancouver never had a T1D because Vancouver never drafted, developed or traded for one. The same stopped at the goaltending position when Vancouver traded for Luongo. Being able to recognize what great goaltending is, Vancouver has now developed Schneider, Lack, and are focusing on Markstrom's development, along with a nice pipeline of up and comers. Once Vancouver goes out and pays the price for a T1D, Vancouver will have unlocked the door to a plethora of T1Ds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 You can choose between having one or two studs on D, or be 4-6 deep. In 2011 we were 6 deep, could split up the minutes and look at how perfect we were getting out of our zone, and we had a potent PP. Having one or two studs means giving them each 30 min, like how the hawks do. I really think we are suffering right now because of the decline of Hamhuis and Juice, mostly due to age and injury. A few years ago they were brilliant at making the right pinch, moving in on offence and skating up the ice with the puck. If they were back to there old selves, we wouldnt be having this offseason issue of a horrid defence. Their decline means more minutes for our 5-6 guys in Weber and Sbisa, which is a far cry from what we had in 2011. We also had Erhoff and Salo to work the PP, giving us an offensive punch, right now we have nobody even close to a PP specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldBrashear Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 rotfl never had a #1 defenseman, that's laughable. Ed Jovanovski was a true #1 d-man just like a Duncan Keith or anyone. Top D-man, offensively brilliant, and named to the Canadian Olympic team twice in 2002 and 2006. Some people are funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Motorcycles are why we never had a legit #1 dman. This is what I was expecting to see in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 The Canucks have been behind when it comes to player development. All that changed ownership bought the Utica Comets. Now we have control on our player development, which means we can now draft a d-man and give him the time he needs to develop. Canucks management historically has always drafted toughness in d-men over talent. The game has changed. We should be putting an emphasis on drafting defensemen simply because they are hard to find, and take time to develop. What GM's I think are realizing now you can have an above average goalie (Crawford), but a great defensive corps and win games. The other major point is that defensemen have one of the higher trade values out there. Especially if they are young and cap friendly. I'd stock up on d-men, and if you have a surplus, great you can always trade them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Everyone disagreeing with this thread is an idiot. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2322310-ranking-the-nhl-teams-with-the-worst-draft-record-since-2000/page/11 I've seen this sentiment many times that the Canucks are amongst the top 5 worst drafting teams in the NHL over the last 10-15 years. This is completely unacceptable. Jim Benning should fire 50% of the Canucks scouting staff, just like Peter Chiarelli did in Edmonton. Or just like toronto did who basically fired their entire scouting staff I think! Toronto is in good hands now with shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Or just like toronto did who basically fired their entire scouting staff I think! Toronto is in good hands now with shanahan. So, did they get rid of Dave Morrison, Mike Penny and Tom Watt? regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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