Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

[rekker]

Just now, aGENT said:

I don't honestly see Tanev here long term. 

 

We've got Juolevi, hopefully another top guy this draft and Tryamkin, if he returns, to start with.

 

From there we're going to have a glut of vets (Edler, MDZ, Tanev) to trade in the next couple years, along with wingers, as guys like Dahlen, Lind etc come on line. Ideally we trade/package some of that for another guy. I'd love to do Edler, 50% retained and a winger (Vanek?) for a good D prospect. 

 

Then there's always one of Stecher, Hutton, Pouliot etc exceeding expectations, Gudbranson, UFA's etc.

 

It certainly still needs work but the team's not a finished product yet

To me the key to our future D is Tryamkin returning . 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

Holm and Brisebois are realistically potential bottom pairing guys.

 

The only solid top 4 prospect we have right now is Juolevi. I agree with what the other guy said, we basically need 3 defenders to create a new top 4 for this team to be true contenders. Tanev or Tryamkin could potentially be part of that but it's hard to believe with the way Tanev plays and the toll it takes on him that he will still be able to contribute the way he is now and Tryamkin may never come back.

 

If we get truly lucky we can snag another 1st this year and get a couple defenders and hope they pan out. Sign or trade for another top defender and we may have something but our defense needs a complete overhaul

yah I think thats pretty much how its going to have to go, some drafting, some development, some free agency, and maybe Tram coming back. Hard but not impossible but man it would be nice to have one more pick in the 1st round for another D. 

 

also, why the hate for tomatoes? 

[Alflives]

23 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yah I think thats pretty much how its going to have to go, some drafting, some development, some free agency, and maybe Tram coming back. Hard but not impossible but man it would be nice to have one more pick in the 1st round for another D. 

 

also, why the hate for tomatoes? 

Have you seen this?

 

 

[blackpluto96]

On 2018/1/10 at 4:01 AM, PhillipBlunt said:

He's not a miracle worker, Attila.

He should consider using miracle whip...

[Ray_Cathode]

11 hours ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

Holm and Brisebois are realistically potential bottom pairing guys.

 

The only solid top 4 prospect we have right now is Juolevi. I agree with what the other guy said, we basically need 3 defenders to create a new top 4 for this team to be true contenders. Tanev or Tryamkin could potentially be part of that but it's hard to believe with the way Tanev plays and the toll it takes on him that he will still be able to contribute the way he is now and Tryamkin may never come back.

 

If we get truly lucky we can snag another 1st this year and get a couple defenders and hope they pan out. Sign or trade for another top defender and we may have something but our defense needs a complete overhaul

In my estimate, Holm and Brisebois are potential 7-8 guys.  McEneny is a potential bottom pairing guy, or maybe Sautner (by far the best +/- on the team).  The reason I say McEneny is because, when he was healthy, he was Cull's go to guy on the PP and the PK - he can skate, handle the puck, he can shoot, he can defend, and he has size.

[MoneypuckOverlord]

19 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

https://thecanuckway.com/2018/01/11/canucks-prospects-stop-hating-on-olli-juolevi/

 

When Vancouver Canucks fans think of their team’s prospects, they don’t seem to think much of Olli Juolevi these days. It’s time to start giving him the recognition he deserves.

Yet, when people talk about Canucks 2016 1st round pick Olli Juolevi, a lot of those smiles turn into expressions of malaise. These facial contortions are usually followed by laments of “we should’ve taken Matthew Tkachuk” or “look at all the other players picked after him who are already in the NHL”.

These sentiments need to stop.

 

Not only are they spectacularly unproductive, but more importantly they are premature. As cliché as it sounds, every prospect has a different development curve and what we are seeing now is no different.

Just because he hasn’t played an NHL game yet, doesn’t mean he is a bust. In fact, any Canucks fan should look at what he is doing this season and be very happy.

He has been playing in Finland’s top pro-league SM-Liiga, and has amassed 14 points in 20 games.  Over the course of a 60 game season, that would put him on pace for 42 points, that would be one of the best “Under the age of 20” (U20) totals in league history. Historically speaking, it is tough for young defenceman to put up points in that league.

For example, Dallas Stars No. 1 Defenceman John Klingberg played his draft plus two season in the SM-Liiga. He only put up three points in 20 games as a U20 defenceman.

 

Now, I’m not saying Juolevi is going to be a better defenceman than Klingberg (and like I said earlier everyone has a different development curve), but the points Juolevi is putting up as a 19 year old playing against men is very encouraging.

 

Another added positive for Juolevi playing in Finland is the fact that the ice surface is larger than it is in the NHL. This is a positive because it will help Juolevi improve on his mobility, which was hampered as a result of gaining quite a bit of muscle mass over the summer.

He also gets to work with former Canuck Sami Salo, who will teach him the crucial details on how to defend against men in the NHL.

By not playing in the NHL this season he also got to participate in the World Juniors, where he played well, accumulating four points in five games. When Finland was eliminated in the quarter final, he was voted as one of the three best players on the team by the coaching staff.

Though you can question whether he was the best defenceman on the team, he certainly played better than Miro Heiskanen, a player who is seen as direct competition to Juolevi for a spot on Finland’s Olympic team.

Now I know he is not nearly as flashy as the defenceman picked after him like Mikhail Sergachev or Charlie McAvoy, but quieter guys have become very popular in today’s game. Look at players like Hampus Lindholm, Mattias Ekholm, and Marc-Edouard Vlasic.

None of these players have a 40-plus point season to their name. None of them can bring you out your seat with their play. Yet, if anyone of these players had to be made available on the trade market, nearly every GM in the league would try and acquire them.

Why? Because they can play all three zones effectively and eat up big minutes in any situation, a skill which is hard to find.  This is the kind of player Juolevi can develop into. And if he does, I guarantee you he will be one very valuable player.

 

So remember, when you talk about Juolevi amongst yourselves, don’t be disappointed in the fact that others are in the NHL. Be happy that he is getting the proper development he needs to become the well-rounded defenceman that every NHL team desires.

whats pathetic, is that some younger fans, or we can say, fans that have not been around the game that long, actually believe that because tkachuk and for example sergechev is better right now, in their pathetic mind sets, its set that they will be better for life. can't be further from the truth.  If Jouolevi becomes a Ryan suter type, my gosh at this point, he will have more value then Pierre Dubois, and Jesse Puljurvi.   

[JM_]

2 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

whats pathetic, is that some younger fans, or we can say, fans that have not been around the game that long, actually believe that because tkachuk and for example sergechev is better right now, in their pathetic mind sets, its set that they will be better for life. can't be further from the truth.  If Jouolevi becomes a Ryan suter type, my gosh at this point, he will have more value then Pierre Dubois, and Jesse Puljurvi.   

i guess its how you view the game, successful zone exits over and over again aren't as sexy or "noticeable" as other things. The reality is we need a mix of good players but you can see in some of the comments how some people on here even devalue the stability Tanev brings. 

[Boudrias]

5 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

In my estimate, Holm and Brisebois are potential 7-8 guys.  McEneny is a potential bottom pairing guy, or maybe Sautner (by far the best +/- on the team).  The reason I say McEneny is because, when he was healthy, he was Cull's go to guy on the PP and the PK - he can skate, handle the puck, he can shoot, he can defend, and he has size.

I don't think Holm has come close to hitting his stride yet. Transitioning to the NA game for a Euro d-man is a challenge. He appears to be doing a good job. I want to see him get some NHL games by season's end to get a better idea of where he is. I agree about McEneny but his injury was a bad turn of luck. It could set him back a bit.  

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

Looks like Juolevi already has an assist (primary) after one period of today’s Liiga game between TPS and KalPa.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Olli Juolevi finishes with 1 assist today. He now has 16 points (5 goals, 11 assists) in 23 games.

[JeremyCuddles]

Juolevi is gonna look real good next to Boqvist one day. Real. Good. Good to see him playing well. 

[logic]

If Heiskanen wasn't around the same time as OJ, OJ would be hyped as the top Finnish D prospect in recent years.

 

One guy I like to point out is John Klingberg, he is 25 and I am sure every single team in the league would have this guy on their top pairing. In John Klingbergs draft +2 year playing in Liiga he posted 3 points in 20 games. The next year he played in the SEL and posted 28 points in 50 games in his D+3 season before playing 3 games in the AHL where registered 1 point. At the age of 22 Klingberg started his draft +4 year in the AHL posting 12 points in 10 games to start the season before being called up to the NHL and putting up 40 points in 65 games.

 

What I am saying is Juolevi has legit potential to be a top pairing D even if he doesn't make the NHL until 22-23 and I think he is pretty underrated around here for what he has done this season.

Edited January 16, 2018 by logic

[ohmy]

38 minutes ago, logic said:

If Heiskanen wasn't around the same time as OJ, OJ would be hyped as the top Finnish D prospect in recent years.

 

One guy I like to point out is John Klingberg, he is 25 and I am sure every single team in the league would have this guy on their top pairing. In John Klingbergs draft +2 year playing in Liiga he posted 3 points in 20 games. The next year he played in the SEL and posted 28 points in 50 games in his D+3 season before playing 3 games in the AHL where registered 1 point. At the age of 22 Klingberg started his draft +4 year in the AHL posting 12 points in 10 games to start the season before being called up to the NHL and putting up 40 points in 65 games.

 

What I am saying is Juolevi has legit potential to be a top pairing D even if he doesn't make the NHL until 22-23 and I think he is pretty underrated around here for what he has done this season.

Completely agree.  I think anyone who thinks at best he will be a #3 is out to lunch. At best I think he has the tools to be a #1 but I think he will be no less than a #3 and if he is something in between then great. With a little more seasoning he strikes me as the type of player that will jump in right away and make a difference.  When he is ready, whether that is next year or the year after  this kid is gonna be good. 

[Ihatetomatoes]

23 minutes ago, ohmy said:

Completely agree.  I think anyone who thinks at best he will be a #3 is out to lunch. At best I think he has the tools to be a #1 but I think he will be no less than a #3 and if he is something in between then great. With a little more seasoning he strikes me as the type of player that will jump in right away and make a difference.  When he is ready, whether that is next year or the year after  this kid is gonna be good. 

So much of Olli's development is how much he can improve on his footspeed. Right now he is kinda slow and that will get exposed in the NHL and will prevent him from being a top pairing guy. However he is checking off development boxes on schedule right now, got bigger and stronger. Check. Learning to up his intensity and play against men. Check.  Show up when the going gets tough like the WJC's. Check.

 

IMO his last hurdle is to get quicker, he is a smooth as &^@# skater in all directions but his turns and first few steps can be a little slow. We'll see how much he can improve on this

[Rush17]

Anyone know when we will be starting the "player ranking" by committee voting again?  Is that march?  I wish we could incorporate based on positions like how hockey's future does it.

[aGENT]

22 hours ago, logic said:

If Heiskanen wasn't around the same time as OJ, OJ would be hyped as the top Finnish D prospect in recent years.

 

One guy I like to point out is John Klingberg, he is 25 and I am sure every single team in the league would have this guy on their top pairing. In John Klingbergs draft +2 year playing in Liiga he posted 3 points in 20 games. The next year he played in the SEL and posted 28 points in 50 games in his D+3 season before playing 3 games in the AHL where registered 1 point. At the age of 22 Klingberg started his draft +4 year in the AHL posting 12 points in 10 games to start the season before being called up to the NHL and putting up 40 points in 65 games.

 

What I am saying is Juolevi has legit potential to be a top pairing D even if he doesn't make the NHL until 22-23 and I think he is pretty underrated around here for what he has done this season.

Sadly, too many people seem to have a massive blind spot in regards to NHL readiness. 

 

It's not a race. He who makes it to the NHL first does not 'win'.

 

 

[hyper00]

Top picks are essentially ready to step in the NHL as the league is a win now type of league. Sure Juolevi is ready but I would rather have a top 2 potential/top 4 ready prospect than a NHL prospect. You realize that defensive prospects have a harder time because the top 10 teams usually suck and you're being thrown in, only the Ekblads are able to handle that and they usually go 1st overall. So be upset that Sergechev is dominating but he's in a setting that can use him properly instead of desperation, and Juolevi will come in when he's ready/we're ready

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, hyper00 said:

Top picks are essentially ready to step in the NHL as the league is a win now type of league. Sure Juolevi is ready but I would rather have a top 2 potential/top 4 ready prospect than a NHL prospect. You realize that defensive prospects have a harder time because the top 10 teams usually suck and you're being thrown in, only the Ekblads are able to handle that and they usually go 1st overall. So be upset that Sergechev is dominating but he's in a setting that can use him properly instead of desperation, and Juolevi will come in when he's ready/we're ready

Which is why if we were to win and draft Dahlin/Zadina/Svechnikov/Hughes/Tkachuk

 

I'd LOVE to see them left down for another year just to hear how the eastern analysts claim we're "doing things wrong"

 

Imagine winning the Dahlin sweepstakes and not having him on the roster next year "But look at all the other 1st overall picks!  They're all playing".

 

And except of course for Sid, Geno and Kane none of them have won cups but that won't factor in much will it

 

OJ is on his own development curve and we are in no hurry

[rekker]

11 hours ago, aGENT said:

Sadly, too many people seem to have a massive blind spot in regards to NHL readiness. 

 

It's not a race. He who makes it to the NHL first does not 'win'.

 

 

I can remember when we drafted Bo. Domi and Nychuskin kicked off pro careers earlier to some success and the Canuck faithful were all a panic. How did that one turn out? Patience people. Patience. 

[Ihatetomatoes]

1 hour ago, rekker said:

I can remember when we drafted Bo. Domi and Nychuskin kicked off pro careers earlier to some success and the Canuck faithful were all a panic. How did that one turn out? Patience people. Patience. 

Oh man. I gotta admit I was fretting a little when Domi was crushing it and Nychuskin looked like the next Hossa.  Still always liked the Horvat pick though just because you could tell he had the right attitude to be a pro but those first few years there made it tough. I don't think too many expected Horvat to have this much offensive game at the NHL level....He's still improving too. Love it