86Viking Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Eriksson, Stecher and a 2nd round pick would be my best offer. Try to get NJ to retain a bit if possible D pairings after trade: Hughes Tanev Edler Subban Benn Myers I would try to recoup that 2nd round pick by moving Pearson or Leivo at this TDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 hours ago, VIC_CITY said: So $9.4M in dead cap space and Troy Stetcher, a 3rd pairing defenseman that doesn't play special teams. Sounds about right for CDC. I'd rather give Stetcher+ for someone to take Loui or Baertschi off our hands and free up a few mil in cap space. That's where we should be looking. Stetcher + Baertschi is almost $6M combined. Nevermink PK. That money is better spent elsewhere. Only way you move Loui is by giving up a bunch of young assets/picks or taking a bad contract back. We can’t really afford to do give up any picks or prospects. We either keep him or trade him for someone else in a similar situation as a fresh start type move. Similar to Neal-Lucic. Baer is definitely easier to move though the market is cold right now. I would definitely take a risk on Subban for 3 years. Upside is huge and if he sucks it would just be in the same boat we are in now. Devils would get a younger cheaper top 6 D and project in Baer that could pan out with Hischer/Hughes. Subban is at an all time low rn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: Eriksson, Stecher and a 2nd round pick would be my best offer. Try to get NJ to retain a bit if possible D pairings after trade: Hughes Tanev Edler Subban Benn Myers I would try to recoup that 2nd round pick by moving Pearson or Leivo at this TDL If we want Tanev to avoid injury, he should never be on the first pairing. Homerism let’s you see Tanev as greater than Subban. Edited December 21, 2019 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Me_ said: If we want Tanev to avoid injury, he should never be on the first pairing. Hughes is top pair is he not? Myers isn't the right fit to play with him, he isn't good enough defensively when you have a rover like Hughes imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: If Eriksucks who is deadweight at 6m is going back in the deal, there contracts both end in the same year so be worth it in my opinion. Then it is just trying to get NJ to retain some of PK's cap hit then iron out the add on to Loser#21 to make the deal happen. PK would bring a bunch of excitement to the team and fans in my opinion. Just can't take his full cap hit on, good thing is he has no NMC so he could be a scapegoat in the expansion draft if he does well for us also Well sure. But I am sure NJ will be able to get at least some assets from PK as opposed to simply taking on another bad contract AND retaining. Only advantage for them is lack of real money owing to LE. Wonder if something like LE plus Sutter for PK would work? At least then they get a serviceable player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Canuckster86 said: Hughes is top pair is he not? Myers isn't the right fit to play with him, he isn't good enough defensively when you have a rover like Hughes imo Hughes and Tanev aren’t married. if Subban were to come in, you can be sure it’d be: HUGHES - SUBBAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) I think this would be the D pairings if the trade went down like that: Edler Subban Hughes Myers Benn Tanev Hughes gets more mins on the PP and Tanev on the PK. Edited December 21, 2019 by Kobayashi Maru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Never had a Subban that played well for the Canucks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) For those of you screaming for PK Subban. He has not been the same player this year. As of right now, Tanev, Stecher and Myers all have more points than him this season currently. He would've been 6th in Canucks D scoring this season by his current point totals. There is no way he takes the #1 PP point man minutes from QH if he is brought in here. He is also a liability defensively. His $9 million cap hit is a big no go. Glad JB didn't trade Gaudette for him during the draft. Edited December 21, 2019 by ruilin96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 10:16 AM, Me_ said: Hughes and Tanev aren’t married. if Subban were to come in, you can be sure it’d be: HUGHES - SUBBAN I would keep them seperate, both need a decently reliable defensive D so they can free wheel up the up, pinch/take chances etc. On the PP tho, yes you can have both on unit #1 imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 9:02 AM, Canuckster86 said: Hughes is top pair is he not? Myers isn't the right fit to play with him, he isn't good enough defensively when you have a rover like Hughes imo i think hughes spike in minutes recently is mostly due to edler's injury hughes is not physically fully developed yet i think it is a mistake to make him play huge minutes for the balance of the season nucks recent history is that our better dmen are too often injured i think hughes will join that grouping if he is too heavily used at his very young age when edler returns, hughes minutes have to go back to closer to the 20 min per game range team needs to think longer term about hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 If we nabbed Subban pairings would probably be Edler-Subban Hughes-Tanev Benn-Myers Put Bo on the 2nd unit and have Subban on the 1st unit as a RH point shot. Put Boes in the slot for a one time option from Miller from the goal line. There would be a lot of room for Hughes Subban. if subban worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Geez if we really need a hasbeen to play D for us maybe we could track down Dion Phaneuf too. Remember Nashville had the worst PP in the league last year before they peddled the $9million sink hole to new Jersey . Now Jersey is the 2nd worst next to Detroit. The Canucks are strapped for cap space ,IMO it shouldn’t even cross anyone’s mind to ad a contract like Subbans’ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) I’d rather make room for Tryamkin than Subban. He might not cost as many assets or be a not so great decision in a year! Edited December 23, 2019 by #Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 You know what it bizzare ... that the Habs might have actually won the trade over Subban / Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 HUGHES-MYERS EDLER-SUBBAN BENN-TANEV JUOLEVI/FANTENBERG best D we've. had since 2010-2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 14 hours ago, iinatcc said: You know what it bizzare ... that the Habs might have actually won the trade over Subban / Weber I think it was clashing personalities TBH. In Mtl P.k. had issues with Pacioretty and Gallagher that i know of. Nashville traded him for cap issues. Now if NJD may want to unload pk for assets. The Canucks cannot afford to do this either from the asset management crowd or the capologists guild. His offensive game has all but dried up, he has 7 pts this year in 36gp. He's on pace for less then 20 points and around -30. In 37gp Chris Tanev has 11 points and plus 1. In 37gp Troy Stecher has 7pts Eriksson is off the books in 2 more seasons after 19/20. 6m Sutter is off the books 1 more season after 19/20. 4.375m Subban has 2 more years after 19/20 season @ 9mil per. Flat out best offer for P.K. would be Baertschi 3.366 Eriksson 6. Stecher 2.325 Schaller 1.9 13.591 For Subban 9 Simmonds 5. Baertschi to mentor hischier? Miller Petey Boeser Pearson Horvat Simmonds Roussel Gaudette Virtanen Ferland Beagle Sutter Motte Leivo Edler Myers Hughes Tanev Benn Pk Fantenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 14 hours ago, iinatcc said: You know what it bizzare ... that the Habs might have actually won the trade over Subban / Weber More of a wash. Subban has been good for his time in Nashville other than last season where he was dealing with injuries. They moved him in time. He bridged the gap to Fabbro and was a solid pairing with Ekholm. He also did a lot of good in the community - they are keeping his blue line buddies alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: I think it was clashing personalities TBH. In Mtl P.k. had issues with Pacioretty and Gallagher that i know of. Nashville traded him for cap issues. Now if NJD may want to unload pk for assets. The Canucks cannot afford to do this either from the asset management crowd or the capologists guild. His offensive game has all but dried up, he has 7 pts this year in 36gp. He's on pace for less then 20 points and around -30. In 37gp Chris Tanev has 11 points and plus 1. In 37gp Troy Stecher has 7pts Eriksson is off the books in 2 more seasons after 19/20. 6m Sutter is off the books 1 more season after 19/20. 4.375m Subban has 2 more years after 19/20 season @ 9mil per. Flat out best offer for P.K. would be Baertschi 3.366 Eriksson 6. Stecher 2.325 Schaller 1.9 13.591 For Subban 9 Simmonds 5. Baertschi to mentor hischier? Miller Petey Boeser Pearson Horvat Simmonds Roussel Gaudette Virtanen Ferland Beagle Sutter Motte Leivo Edler Myers Hughes Tanev Benn Pk Fantenberg Subban still plays 20 minutes a night. Everyone on NJD is having a bad season. Their beat writer Masisak says NJD wants to make it work with Subban and is not yet interested in parting ways. Stecher is undersized and no more than a 3rd pairing D if not a D7 - see how Vigneault used him at the Worlds. Doubt he draws much interest at his qualifying offer. Eriksson just uses a roster spot and he has two more seasons. It would considerably limit their cap space for a player they don't need. They have no use for Schaller either. Simmonds is a UFA at the end of the season and he brings toughness. They might even be able to trade him at the TDL for a late pick to help their rebuild. NJD is also still promoting Subban. Would think that ownership likes his popularity and his contact book as well as his fiancée's. For star players it goes beyond on ice as Poile was explaining when he traded for Subban. It's a marketing boost and that has value with the more popular NY so close. Edited December 24, 2019 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, iinatcc said: You know what it bizzare ... that the Habs might have actually won the trade over Subban / Weber Not by the end of Weber’s term.... no chance. Not unless he retires and frees them up from that cap hit. Edited December 24, 2019 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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