189lb enforcers? Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Robert Long said: I'm still holding out hope for an Ottawa deal of some kind. That F group is awful after about 4 guys. I thought JB might land Borowiecki to upgrade Benn/Fanta’s spot, but the player chose Nashville. He would have brought added character and toughness. JB has brought in many quality people to the roster already. What a great place to work it must be for the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: Doubt we move Eriksson but...Sutter + Gaudette (+/-) for Tierney...? just took the dog for a walk and had the exact same trade thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: As I had suspected yesterday even after the trade, we ain't done yet. Not surprising. After losing Tanev, Stecher, and Fantenberg, we need to add at least one more D man. Benning isn’t the type of guy to pencil in rookies on his roster. He’s always said they have to earn it and then he’ll make room. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 This was a no brainer trade, yes it locks us up to a D with term at nearly 6m. But if he can play near a top pair D role for 2-3years then taper off to a Edler type D man the final 2 years it is still a big win for Vancouver. He will be just shy of his 34th birthday when this deal is up, so younger than OEL, over 2m cheaper than OEL and didnt cost us a top pick or prospect to get him. Only thing with OEL that would have been nice would have been to include some salary going back, even then tho I think Canuck fans were dillusional to think Arizona would be taking LE off our hands. End of the day, solid improvement to our D core. Let's just hope we can clear some salary out and still make other improvements to the team! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I thought JB might land Borowiecki to upgrade Benn/Fanta’s spot, but the player chose Nashville. He would have brought added character and toughness. JB has brought in many quality people to the roster already. What a great place to work it must be for the kids. totally agree, that would have been a nice add. Looks like Dhaliwal is dangling more info today, so hopefully someone like this is in the cards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: As I had suspected yesterday even after the trade, we ain't done yet. does that mean trade market or open market? Hamonic would be the minute-munching stay at home guy on the open market I guess. I'd prefer a trade for a a Cernak-type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I thought JB might land Borowiecki to upgrade Benn/Fanta’s spot, but the player chose Nashville. He would have brought added character and toughness. JB has brought in many quality people to the roster already. What a great place to work it must be for the kids. Would you a straight across trade for Boychuk? Say Loui "the empty jersey" Eriksson for Johnny "Spinal Tapper" Boychuk? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Conscience said: I thought toffoli just signed in Montreal Still crying over spilled milk I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Robert Long said: does that mean trade market or open market? Hamonic would be the minute-munching stay at home guy on the open market I guess. I'd prefer a trade for a a Cernak-type. Who knows, it may even just be Fantenberg or Sautner. Lots of names being thrown out there including Mackenzie Weegar., 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Would you a straight across trade for Boychuk? Say Loui "the empty jersey" Eriksson for Johnny "Spinal Tapper" Boychuk? nah his buyout is as crappy as Loui's this year and worse next year. Park Loui's arse in Utica and buy him out next year to clear 2 mil. Or maybe lighting strikes and Ottawa wants to be a true floor team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: 1 top D man in 20 years says you just starting watching NHL hockey this year... LOL I thought this was about Benning he hasn't been here 20 years. Moving the goal posts again I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Wonderful trade. Upgrade over Tanev. Brings the tenacity and warrior element Tanev brought with more offensive upside and speed, and can crush guys on the boards. 5.9 for 5 more years for a guy who just turned 29 isn't a problem to me, especially given Edler's 6 mill comes off the books next season. Schmidt was heavily relied on in VGK to eat minutes in a less offensive role so they could shelter Theodore. I think Schmidt will absolutely crush it next to Hughes. Seeing how Washington reacted, and now how VGK fans and media are reacting to Schmidt leaving leads me to believe this guy will become a fan favorite by Game 18 of next season. Don't have to agree with my opinion but don't write this guy off just because it's hard for you to let go of the emotional attachments to Stecher and Tanev. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Robert Long said: his minutes are in the 2/3 range, and he actually isn't a give-away machine. He tends to be pretty even on the takeway-giveaway stats as well. Blocks shots too which we'll need. Adds much need zone exits and offence. Not a big player, but not small either. I don't know how this isn't seen as win for us. If we can add a Cernak or Carlo type now somehow then we're in great shape. Tempering expectations here is required. Already, the hype-train is rolling like it was when we got Ballard. Dialling it back a bit is ok too, folks, he’s a smaller, unphysical brand of what his role traditionally offers, further punctuated by his usage as being secondary on special teams. Sound like a true #2? What does/did that make Edler then? Anyways, I’m not crapping in the guy, just making sure there is some balance to the assessment here, which are mainly flattering, IMO. Schmidt comes to us padded with super-stats from playing on two excellent teams for/in advanced stats, especially for Dmen, which guys like Hutton could only dream of having been as blessed with. Now he’s on another decent club on the rise. Is he as good as he is lucky that way? As the saying goes, you have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good I guess. Some guys just land like that in the NHL and play on winners, collecting paydays via team efforts. He’s to hoping he is that lucky/good because it will mean Vancouver will be as well. Edited October 13, 2020 by 189lb enforcers? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I like the fact that he isn’t afraid to drop the gloves from time to time. That was a sore spot with Tanev. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, DeNiro said: All the numbers point to him being their number 2 guy. He played the second most minutes and played in the toughest matchups. Either way a second pairing guy on a cup favourite is a first pairing guy on our team. All the numbers? I don’t want to split hairs, but this is just subjective a claim, not that I disagree. Edited October 13, 2020 by 189lb enforcers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Tempering expectations here is required. Already, the hype-train is rolling like it was when we got Ballard. Dialling it back a bit is ok too, folks, he’s a smaller, unphysical brand of what his role traditionally offers, further punctuated by his use age as being secondary on special teams. Sound like a true #2? What does/did that make Edler then? Anyways, I’m not crapping in the guy, just making sure there is some balance to the assessment here, which are mainly flattering, IMO. Schmidt comes to us padded with super-stats from playing on two excellent teams for/in advanced stats, especially for Dmen, which guys like Hutton could only dream of having been as blessed with. Now he’s on another decent club on the rise. Is he as good as he is lucky that way? As the saying goes, you have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good I guess. Some guys just land like that in the NHL and play on winners, collecting paydays via team efforts. He’s to hoping he is that lucky/good because it will mean Vancouver will be as well. Well said. Personally I’m just glad it wasn’t Barrie or Krug. Both guys take a quick glance and defense doesn’t seem their strong suit. Watching our five guy box against Vegas and only Myers making clean zone exits and entries when the chips were down I’m excited to welcome Schmidt given that’s his specialty. An upgrade but not a huge one considering what we lost as well. Edit. I see losing Markstrom, Stecher and Tanev and adding Holtby and Schmidt as a wash. I’m also hopeful he’s done other then a minor D signing. It’s time to let the cap shed. Being saying that since we lost to Vegas. And see what else we have in the D before making any stupid decisions. Edited October 13, 2020 by IBatch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kanucks25 Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, VforVirtanen said: So many posters who just can't admit they were wrong. Benning had other irons in the fire but even otherwise rational posters panicked and called for him to be fired. The right thing to do at this point is just accept that Benning is a wily GM and that there is a reason why you are not calling the shots and he is. Benning gets all the credit in the world for both executing this trade and walking away from deals/signings that some fans wanted him to make that would have tied up the cap. But if anyone is thinking this was all a part of his master plan, well I don't know what to say; it was widely reported that he tried to sign Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli and Barrie, any of these probably wouldn't have made this trade possible. But, good on him for making things work in the end. Out of all the players mentioned that we were in on, Schmidt is the best out of all of them, at least when it comes to the skaters. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Tempering expectations here is required. Already, the hype-train is rolling like it was when we got Ballard. Some would consider Schmidt a #2 D-man, and there are numbers to support this. Ballard was never that. That said, as great of a pickup as this is, it doesn't magically turn us into a contender. It's a nice stepping stone, though. 9 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Schmidt comes to us padded with super-stats from playing on two excellent teams for/in advanced stats Possible. Like you say, wait and see. I personally would be surprised if he performs at something worse than a #3 D-man level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VforVasili Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, kanucks25 said: But if anyone is thinking this was all a part of his master plan, well I don't know what to say; it was widely reported that he tried to sign Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli and Barrie, any of these probably wouldn't have made this trade possible. I don't get your point. He offered all of those players less money and term than they took elsewhere. That is part of the process of negotiating contracts. He can't literally club those players over the head and make them sign for the term and amount he is willing to pay them for. His master plan was to find us players that fit our needs at prices and terms that fit our needs without worrying too much about keeping old favourites that weren't willing to be paid what we could afford. He has achieved that precisely by executing patience and not overpaying anyone, including beloved players that many fans would have panic-signed if given the chance. 2 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Some people watch hockey to cheer for their team. Others watch in order to cheer for the firing of the teams manager. Not mutually exclusive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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