Biff Tannen Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, EddieVedder said: Itd be the smallest top pairing in league history. Schmidt would work best for Myers. As for why some fans are not too happy... it has mostly to do with the cap hit and how whether some fans want to admit it or not, will increasingly handcuff the club in the near future. Im a believer in Benning.. havent spoken negatively about him up until this deal. In comparison to contending teams, Vancouver is severly lacking in high end defensmen and the best we can hope for now is OJ making a huge jump because theres no way this team can sign or afford actual top pairing guys at this point. Just run that one by me again. You were a fan of Benning despite the fact the team lacked high end defencemen, he signs one with a pretty reasonable cap hit on a contract that ends before he even turns 34 and you think now is the best time to criticise him? If this deal handcuffs the team as you claim, which "actual top pairing guys" would you prefer and how much would they cost and for how long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Bang Boogie Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 11 hours ago, oldnews said: Markstrom and Ekman-larsson are friends... OEL winds up putting us on his list of two.... Holtby and Schmidt are friends...Schmidt winds up landing here. What's with the goaltender gravity? Thatcher.....who your friends with!? Mike Matheson. I'm not kidding lol 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, stawns said: We've seen some of breezer at the NHL level and I think he's got enough game to, at least, be a decent depth guy. He's certainly got the skating skills to play at that level he'd be an OK pice in a trade as well for someone like Ottawa. Value around a 4th or so this year, something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, aGENT said: I believe people are stating he'll either be waived, or at best, 13th F. Not traded. I'm hoping that they waive him and force him to make a decision on whether to report to Utica; not report and have his contract terminated so he can sign with another team at a more reasonable price, or retire. The Loui saga needs to come to an end. I have no hard feelings towards him but as a business decision this needs to be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Still plenty cheap Ufa options avail for Van: 1) Vatanen 2) Anthony Duclair 3) Alex Galchenyuk 4) Corey Perry 5) Iya Kovalchuck 6) Madison Bowey 7) Jeremy Bracco 8) Valentine Zykov 10) Carl soderberg 11) Nicklas Jensen the only player that list I'd like to see now is maybe Vatanen for ~2 mil for one year. But we really don't need him either, Juolevi - Benn/Rafferty is an OK fall back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Robert Long said: he'd be an OK pice in a trade as well for someone like Ottawa. Value around a 4th or so this year, something like that. I'd like to see them stick with breezer, but I agree, he could be a decent topper for another deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, aGENT said: I believe people are stating he'll either be waived, or at best, 13th F. Not traded. I'm still holding out hope for an Ottawa deal of some kind. That F group is awful after about 4 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I hadn’t thought of Schmidt as a top pairing guy, except for when he was in a sweet spot along side WK in Washington due to an Alznar injury, or whatever. He played a lot with McNabb in Vegas, which wasn’t their top pairing. Where does these #2 and the top pairing labels come from then? Projections? IMO, he’s a solid 2nd pairing two way guy, definitely hasn’t been used as a primary special teams weapon and is valued for zone exits more than maintaining the zone. Unfortunately for me, he’s as unphysical as they come and is also prone to turn overs, which is an occupational hazard for all puck handlers. I’m happy to have an Edler, Meyers and this guy as veteran Dmen along side of QH and hopefully OJ. I’m still holding out hope for one more rugged Dman to round out the Dcore, but this is an improvement and a heck of a back up plan to missing out on the draft-pick free UFAs. I’m thankful we did t sign AP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Filthy McNasty said: Tofolli was a lot of our offence in the play offs so there is still a hole it sure as hell won’t be coming from the bottom six Huh? Tofolli only played 7 games and had 4 points. He really wasn’t a factor at all in the Canucks playoff success, he played the first game in Minny, then was out till the Vegas series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Robert Long said: I'm still holding out hope for an Ottawa deal of some kind. That F group is awful after about 4 guys. Yup, hoping Roussel will get sent to Ottawa, maybe with Benn too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I hadn’t thought of Schmidt as a top pairing guy, except for when he was in a sweet spot along side WK in Washington due to an Alznar injury, or whatever. He played a lot with McNabb in Vegas, which wasn’t their top pairing. Where does these #2 and the top pairing labels come from then? Projections? IMO, he’s a solid 2nd pairing two way guy, definitely hasn’t been used as a primary special teams weapon and is valued for zone exits more than maintaining the All the numbers point to him being their number 2 guy. He played the second most minutes and played in the toughest matchups. Either way a second pairing guy on a cup favourite is a first pairing guy on our team. 2 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: Huh? Tofolli only played 7 games and had 4 points. He really wasn’t a factor at all in the Canucks playoff success, he played the first game in Minny, then was out till the Vegas series. shh, why would you use facts to break such a beautiful story he built for himself? :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Noble 6 Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 I slept on it last night and the more I think about it, the more I like this deal. Schmidt is a really good player. He was a #2/#3 defensemen on a contender who instantly upgrades our defense and fills an organizational need at RD (even though he isn't a RHD). He fits well with either Hughes or Edler, but pairing him with Edler would give us a puck mover on each of the top two pairings. He's also reliable enough defensively that he could play with Hughes in offensive situations. For next year at least, who have 4 defensemen who could realistically hit 30+ points, which is pretty exciting. This could be very similar to the Miller trade in terms of the impact it could have on our team. Schmidt will have the expectation of contending given his team's success over the last three years. That should be a positive influence on our young defensemen, especially if he gets to play with one of them like Juolevi. The contract is similar to Miller's in that there is some considerable term left on the deal, which means he'll be locked in with our group for the forseeable future. The main concern I had with this deal initially was the contract. The term left on the deal was considerable and right now we don't have much flexibility to fill out our roster. However, Schmidt isn't a complimentary or depth piece that is being overpaid, he is a quality piece with cost certainty. To me, this means we will likely be shedding the bloated contracts over the next few years (Beagle, Roussel, Myers, etc.) and committing cap space to important players. Schmidt's skating ability mitigates some of the fears of a decline in the back half of the contract too. The only thing that is an unrefutably negative is his injury history. The other thing that clicked for me was the situation that the trade was made under and our offseason as a whole. I realized that management had likely been planning for this or something like this since the beginning. They were always planning on acquiring a quality defensemen on the cheap from a team that gets squeezed out. The Pietrangelo/Vegas rumours have been going on for a while, so Schmidt was likely identified as a potential target before Free Agency opened. That helps to explain why they reportedly barely contacted Tanev and Stetcher; they already had their succession plan in place, it just didn't happen on the first day of Free Agency. And then as soon as Pietrangelo signed and Schmidt was made available, management offered a deal that was good enough for Vegas to close the deal fairly quickly after. This prevents negotiations with other teams and risking losing out on their targeted player. Even then, acquiring a top end defensemen for a 3rd is a gross underpayment. Schmidt would have been worth a 1st + A prospect in a normal trade. This is me filling in the blanks without all the information so I could be way off, but this is the way I interpret it at least. I've grown to really like this deal for us. 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I’m greedy, we should go for Weegar or Cernak next. Work your magic Jet black Jim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Schmidt could really be this player who comes in and plays with a chip on his shoulder. Basically the message from Vegas was, "we like you, but we like Pietrangelo better, so we will trade you." Schmidt could be motivated to prove them wrong and what better team to do it with than an up and coming Canucks team within the same division. Look forward to Vancouver/Vegas rivalry for the next several seasons. As well as the Canucks/Flames rivalry reignited to another level now that they have Markstrom and Tanev. Pacific Division is definitely getting more competitive and more fun to watch. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Robert Long said: I'm still holding out hope for an Ottawa deal of some kind. That F group is awful after about 4 guys. Doubt we move Eriksson but...Sutter + Gaudette (+/-) for Tierney...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Doubt we move Eriksson but...Sutter + Gaudette (+/-) for Tierney...? Yea Ottawa needs to fill out their forward group. Send them Sutter with a sweetener. Not sure they’d wanna part with Tierney but he’d be a great add. Edited October 13, 2020 by DeNiro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said: Agreed, but it will be difficult, if not impossible, to get rid of Eriksson barring a ridiculous sweetener being thrown in (which we shouldn’t do). As it stands right now, I don’t think the Canucks can afford Leivo. Anything 1.05 mil or less can be sent to Utica without counting against our cap. At this stage, Leivo might have to settle for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 As I had suspected yesterday even after the trade, we ain't done yet. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I hadn’t thought of Schmidt as a top pairing guy, except for when he was in a sweet spot along side WK in Washington due to an Alznar injury, or whatever. He played a lot with McNabb in Vegas, which wasn’t their top pairing. Where does these #2 and the top pairing labels come from then? Projections? IMO, he’s a solid 2nd pairing two way guy, definitely hasn’t been used as a primary special teams weapon and is valued for zone exits more than maintaining the zone. Unfortunately for me, he’s as unphysical as they come and is also prone to turn overs, which is an occupational hazard for all puck handlers. I’m happy to have an Edler, Meyers and this guy as veteran Dmen along side of QH and hopefully OJ. I’m still holding out hope for one more rugged Dman to round out the Dcore, but this is an improvement and a heck of a back up plan to missing out on the draft-pick free UFAs. I’m thankful we did t sign AP. his minutes are in the 2/3 range, and he actually isn't a give-away machine. He tends to be pretty even on the takeway-giveaway stats as well. Blocks shots too which we'll need. Adds much need zone exits and offence. Not a big player, but not small either. I don't know how this isn't seen as win for us. If we can add a Cernak or Carlo type now somehow then we're in great shape. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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