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[Mustard Tiger]

I see people still thinking pettersson is a 8+ million dollar player, in a flat cap at that. As well as a comparison to Aho, who is a superior, more dynamic player. I love watching carolina play ( my east team ) And its easy to make the case svech has the same if not more impact on games then petey currently.
Sometimes it helps to actually watch another teams play, not such check the stat sheet. Barzal is a closer comparison, who is stuck on a defense first team.
I find it hard to believe he's shown this year he's any more valuable then boeser. Which game has he dominated to earn that level of pay? You dont pay for what someone could become, You pay for what they are right now.

12m range is the matthews/mcdavid's. Ones that show up every night to dominate.
8-10 range is the Aho/marners. Ones who make something happen every single shift, Maybe not dominate but the presence is felt.
6-7 range are the barzals/boesers. Ones who have solid outings most games, and dominate shifts when they are on their game.

A few guys having stupid friendly contracts like pasta and mackinnon, Easy to put them in the 10+ range.

Now where does petey rank at this point in time. Well he dominates a few shifts a game, Other games you wouldn't know hes playing if we didn't have a powerplay.
A bridge deal should be expected, As he has the tools to be the 10m dollar player, Just isn't at that level. Therefor we have no reason to pay him that. You could have a case prior to this year for a 8x8 but covid /  his current performance has thrown a wrench into that.

I see him far closer to 6, if he turns it up to a level we have seen at times in previous years to finish this year, 7 would be more fair. On a 3 year deal of course.

The pressure on him right now to be our best player on a ELC is crazy already. How about when hes the highest paid forward? I love petey, he will be a corner stone for us for years to come. I just hope he understands he's like mackinnon before breaking out currently, And deserves a contract closer to that range.

Alot of the Canuck diehards will not like this one bit, But its my opinion based on watching a good amount of hockey, Not just our team
 

[IBatch]

32 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

He did cause it but I don’t know that I would have called him for instigation but I might have given him 5 and a game for intent to injure.

Can't get an instigation if there isn't a fight.   Gloved punches don't count unless it's the KHL and Tree doesn't take them off lol.   Folks it's exciting.   Let's see what happens next, Horvat doesn't need to drop the gloves and tune him to be a good captain with the game on the line.    That said he sure could tonight and gain some respect.   Same with pretty much any of our guys.   Just happy this division is creating some good old fashioned hockey so no complaints here.   

[IBatch]

3 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

I see people still thinking pettersson is a 8+ million dollar player, in a flat cap at that. As well as a comparison to Aho, who is a superior, more dynamic player. I love watching carolina play ( my east team ) And its easy to make the case svech has the same if not more impact on games then petey currently.
Sometimes it helps to actually watch another teams play, not such check the stat sheet. Barzal is a closer comparison, who is stuck on a defense first team.
I find it hard to believe he's shown this year he's any more valuable then boeser. Which game has he dominated to earn that level of pay? You dont pay for what someone could become, You pay for what they are right now.

12m range is the matthews/mcdavid's. Ones that show up every night to dominate.
8-10 range is the Aho/marners. Ones who make something happen every single shift, Maybe not dominate but the presence is felt.
6-7 range are the barzals/boesers. Ones who have solid outings most games, and dominate shifts when they are on their game.

A few guys having stupid friendly contracts like pasta and mackinnon, Easy to put them in the 10+ range.

Now where does petey rank at this point in time. Well he dominates a few shifts a game, Other games you wouldn't know hes playing if we didn't have a powerplay.
A bridge deal should be expected, As he has the tools to be the 10m dollar player, Just isn't at that level. Therefor we have no reason to pay him that. You could have a case prior to this year for a 8x8 but covid /  his current performance has thrown a wrench into that.

I see him far closer to 6, if he turns it up to a level we have seen at times in previous years to finish this year, 7 would be more fair. On a 3 year deal of course.

The pressure on him right now to be our best player on a ELC is crazy already. How about when hes the highest paid forward? I love petey, he will be a corner stone for us for years to come. I just hope he understands he's like mackinnon before breaking out currently, And deserves a contract closer to that range.

Alot of the Canuck diehards will not like this one bit, But its my opinion based on watching a good amount of hockey, Not just our team
 

As a die hard, long time fan - i haven't seen anything that warrants a 9-10 million contract outside of his first 15 games or so.   Maybe expectations got a little ahead as a result - since I see an uber skilled kid, with a lot of upside - that may or may not ever materialize.   Bridge deal all the way.   That said Covid changed everything so can't hold anyone to what they thought before that ... cap going up is why these kids keep getting raises.   Agree that AHO has shown more - and also agree something in the 6-6.5 range x 3 is what he's earned up to now.   Not chump change at all.
 

QHs is tougher to gauge.   Is he a 3rd line 5 x 5 PP specialist or a top four D with top PP instincts?    If i was JB i'd give them both bridge deals - staggered by one year. 

[fanfor42]

8 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

I see people still thinking pettersson is a 8+ million dollar player, in a flat cap at that. As well as a comparison to Aho, who is a superior, more dynamic player. I love watching carolina play ( my east team ) And its easy to make the case svech has the same if not more impact on games then petey currently.
Sometimes it helps to actually watch another teams play, not such check the stat sheet. Barzal is a closer comparison, who is stuck on a defense first team.
I find it hard to believe he's shown this year he's any more valuable then boeser. Which game has he dominated to earn that level of pay? You dont pay for what someone could become, You pay for what they are right now.

12m range is the matthews/mcdavid's. Ones that show up every night to dominate.
8-10 range is the Aho/marners. Ones who make something happen every single shift, Maybe not dominate but the presence is felt.
6-7 range are the barzals/boesers. Ones who have solid outings most games, and dominate shifts when they are on their game.

A few guys having stupid friendly contracts like pasta and mackinnon, Easy to put them in the 10+ range.

Now where does petey rank at this point in time. Well he dominates a few shifts a game, Other games you wouldn't know hes playing if we didn't have a powerplay.
A bridge deal should be expected, As he has the tools to be the 10m dollar player, Just isn't at that level. Therefor we have no reason to pay him that. You could have a case prior to this year for a 8x8 but covid /  his current performance has thrown a wrench into that.

I see him far closer to 6, if he turns it up to a level we have seen at times in previous years to finish this year, 7 would be more fair. On a 3 year deal of course.

The pressure on him right now to be our best player on a ELC is crazy already. How about when hes the highest paid forward? I love petey, he will be a corner stone for us for years to come. I just hope he understands he's like mackinnon before breaking out currently, And deserves a contract closer to that range.

Alot of the Canuck diehards will not like this one bit, But its my opinion based on watching a good amount of hockey, Not just our team
 

Good post.  At this point though I think you are preaching to the choir.  6 months ago people were talking big contract.  Now I think most see a bridge n the 6 to 7m range as fair.

 

 

[MattJVD]

36 minutes ago, NHTyrany said:

Is he bigger than his brother? Perhaps this is our year for a 1st OA. FU Oilers.

Yes, Luke is 6'2" and 176lbs. Pretty skinny, but that was the begining of the year weigh in when he had just turned 17 (September birthday). He'll be one of the youngest players in the draft and has lot of time to fill out a little bit.

[MattJVD]

11 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

I see people still thinking pettersson is a 8+ million dollar player, in a flat cap at that. As well as a comparison to Aho, who is a superior, more dynamic player. I love watching carolina play ( my east team ) And its easy to make the case svech has the same if not more impact on games then petey currently.
Sometimes it helps to actually watch another teams play, not such check the stat sheet. Barzal is a closer comparison, who is stuck on a defense first team.
I find it hard to believe he's shown this year he's any more valuable then boeser. Which game has he dominated to earn that level of pay? You dont pay for what someone could become, You pay for what they are right now.

12m range is the matthews/mcdavid's. Ones that show up every night to dominate.
8-10 range is the Aho/marners. Ones who make something happen every single shift, Maybe not dominate but the presence is felt.
6-7 range are the barzals/boesers. Ones who have solid outings most games, and dominate shifts when they are on their game.

A few guys having stupid friendly contracts like pasta and mackinnon, Easy to put them in the 10+ range.

Now where does petey rank at this point in time. Well he dominates a few shifts a game, Other games you wouldn't know hes playing if we didn't have a powerplay.
A bridge deal should be expected, As he has the tools to be the 10m dollar player, Just isn't at that level. Therefor we have no reason to pay him that. You could have a case prior to this year for a 8x8 but covid /  his current performance has thrown a wrench into that.

I see him far closer to 6, if he turns it up to a level we have seen at times in previous years to finish this year, 7 would be more fair. On a 3 year deal of course.

The pressure on him right now to be our best player on a ELC is crazy already. How about when hes the highest paid forward? I love petey, he will be a corner stone for us for years to come. I just hope he understands he's like mackinnon before breaking out currently, And deserves a contract closer to that range.

Alot of the Canuck diehards will not like this one bit, But its my opinion based on watching a good amount of hockey, Not just our team
 

Yeah, he has not played lile an 8+ million dollar player this year. I think the 8+ million neighborhood was based on his play last year, and especially in the playoffs. 

 

I could see him getting Boeser's deal of 5.85 x3 on a bridge, unless he really picks up his play.

[-DLC-]

[Bo fan]

1 hour ago, CptCanuck16 said:

JV used to be known for his thundering checks back in the minors. He has the ability.  He's just lazy, or maybe fears retaliation.  I dunno. I  wasn't suggesting Virtanen try to take on the roll of enforcer, in fact I said the exact opposite. Guys like Edler, Myers, and Benn can all throw a heavy hit and need to do so tonight. . I singled out Virt as the only forward we have capable of delivering a punishing check and I stand by it.

Oh I disagree - Beagle is capable and does so frequently, Motte was great before injured. JT can follow through on a pretty good check too.

[Gurn]

2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Assists are nice, but... I'm looking at overall play. Miller hasn't put in 100%, especially defensively, and Pettersson looks like a rookie out there this year. Lots of giveaways and gaffs, no confidence in his one-timer. I really like Pettersson and Miller, but I'm not going to sugar coat it. If they had raised their game to last year's level, they might be in a playoff spot right now. Look at what McDavid and Draisaitl are doing for EDM, 2nd in the division right now. Canucks need GOALS from these guys.

"Look at what McDavid and Draisaitl are doing for EDM,"

 

So your comparison is McDavid, tabbed by most as the best in the league and

Draisaitl, last years Art Ross winner?

[Googlie]

1 hour ago, CptCanuck16 said:

People seem to overlook the fact that Miller had COVID at the beginning of the season. That means he had no 'training camp' and his body was weakened while fighting off the virus. Cut him some slack.  He may even be a long hauler, we don't know!  While the team played piss poor at the start of the season they're beginning to gel and play better hockey. I would be very concerned if they were still playing the same as they did against MTL every night but it appears that they've finally turned the corner.

 

 

He did???

 

Give us the scoop, because the official version Is that he and Benn were quarantined because they were sharing Benn's house, and contact tracing showed that Benn might be a carrier from his Dallas brother, who did test positive for covid.   After 4 negative tests in 7 days he was released to join the team, and hired a private jet to get him to Calgary

 

You have a different, insider's version?

 

 

[khay]

5 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Why the double standard?   This is you feeding words into Petey's mouth:  "But, until he believes in himself" and "he needs to believe in himself and play like he believes".  

 

So if people can't speak on behalf of what you believe, you should follow that same rule.

Good point. I accept this criticism.

 

5 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

I'm not hung up on if he's "a top 5 player in the league" or bragging rights.  I'm concerned with his ability to help this team and do good things...the rest is just gravy.  Petey needs to prove nothing....your focus being there is more your insecurity than his.  

Yes, I do have insecurity when it comes to the cup but not about stupid bragging rights about boasting the best player in the league; that's probably going to be McDavid anyways. But I do want the bragging right associated with winning the cup.

 

This core has so much potential, perhaps more than any core in the past. And for this core to not realize their potential and fizzle out, and not end up winning the cup will be sad. I think we have two players that have the potential to be among the top 5, top 10 players in the league and all I want is for them to realize it and get there. I thought Petey would get there starting this season but I'm happy like you to wait it out. I know he will get there.

 

5 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

 

Petey needs to help his team...and he does.  If you don't see that you may be watching for flash and brilliance but sometimes the subtle plays contribute too.  Watch closely.

Again, I don't think this is what I said. I didn't say he doesn't help the team. I was merely pointing out the fact that he isn't the best player on this team just yet, not dominating the league just yet, and therefore, he does not deserve 9+ mil contract that some people were throwing around just yet.

 

5 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

 

Petey's lack of "confidence/swagger" is ok with me because it's likely reflective of the fact that he is struggling to score...but it's probably not creating it as you think.  I don't believe if he struts in there like he's the best that will fix anything.  I like his approach, which is examining his game and finding ways to be more creative and mobile.  Image isn't everything...but preparation and constantly striving to improve is.   Petey's current lack of belief as you interpret it is likely more a display of his serious nature and knowing that he needs to find the back of the net.  He might be overthinking it a bit...but he's aware of that and is working on it.  

Perhaps you are right. Of course, swagger isn't everything and it should come as you get better. Two of our greatest players, the Sedins, took a while longer than Petey. They approached the game in a quiet manner but behind the scenes, always strived to be better through rigorous training. But when they got there, they were good for at least a goal a game.

 

[Trebreh]

is MacEwen in the lineup tonight?

[khay]

44 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

I see people still thinking pettersson is a 8+ million dollar player, in a flat cap at that. As well as a comparison to Aho, who is a superior, more dynamic player. I love watching carolina play ( my east team ) And its easy to make the case svech has the same if not more impact on games then petey currently.
Sometimes it helps to actually watch another teams play, not such check the stat sheet. Barzal is a closer comparison, who is stuck on a defense first team.
I find it hard to believe he's shown this year he's any more valuable then boeser. Which game has he dominated to earn that level of pay? You dont pay for what someone could become, You pay for what they are right now.

12m range is the matthews/mcdavid's. Ones that show up every night to dominate.
8-10 range is the Aho/marners. Ones who make something happen every single shift, Maybe not dominate but the presence is felt.
6-7 range are the barzals/boesers. Ones who have solid outings most games, and dominate shifts when they are on their game.

A few guys having stupid friendly contracts like pasta and mackinnon, Easy to put them in the 10+ range.

Now where does petey rank at this point in time. Well he dominates a few shifts a game, Other games you wouldn't know hes playing if we didn't have a powerplay.
A bridge deal should be expected, As he has the tools to be the 10m dollar player, Just isn't at that level. Therefor we have no reason to pay him that. You could have a case prior to this year for a 8x8 but covid /  his current performance has thrown a wrench into that.

I see him far closer to 6, if he turns it up to a level we have seen at times in previous years to finish this year, 7 would be more fair. On a 3 year deal of course.

The pressure on him right now to be our best player on a ELC is crazy already. How about when hes the highest paid forward? I love petey, he will be a corner stone for us for years to come. I just hope he understands he's like mackinnon before breaking out currently, And deserves a contract closer to that range.

Alot of the Canuck diehards will not like this one bit, But its my opinion based on watching a good amount of hockey, Not just our team
 

Well said.

 

6-8 range for Petey as he is in the same class as Barzals and Boesers.

 

A long term contract for young players are usually determined based on their current value + future value. In which case, one could argue 8-8.5 mil for Petey on an 8 year deal.

 

On a bridge deal, it can't exceed 7 unless they plan on destroying our cap structure.

[TNucks1]

[LionofJudah]

11 minutes ago, TNucks1 said:

Seen this on Jay's Instagram yesterday or the day before. All the comments  "know who likes free beer? Dan does" 

[86Viking]

2 hours ago, AbrasiveAjax said:

Hi, hey is there still an injury thread on cdc? Cant seem to find one

I'm curios about Bailey,  Motte, Hamonic injuries and status?

 

Thanks in advance 

 

Go Canucks go 

 

Gave up on making it from the trash talk I got about not updating the OP...I always go to the last page of threads I read and back track if it is interesting to check on older posts.

 

Injury thread should be pinned and just changed the year each new season, keep it simple stupid sort of thing

[Davathor]

1 hour ago, NHTyrany said:

Is he bigger than his brother? Perhaps this is our year for a 1st OA. FU Oilers.

 

Hes the biggest Hughes at 6'2

[IBatch]

54 minutes ago, MattJVD said:

Yeah, he has not played lile an 8+ million dollar player this year. I think the 8+ million neighborhood was based on his play last year, and especially in the playoffs. 

 

I could see him getting Boeser's deal of 5.85 x3 on a bridge, unless he really picks up his play.

BB is finally playing like we hoped he would, earning every cent of his contract so far.   No matter what we sign EP to, i hope he gets a little slack, and we don't have to spend a year reading all sorts of trade threads if he's not performing to the dollar amount.  Same with QHs.   BB is way better then he's ever been, much better his first year on the other side of the puck, a way more complete player - and his deadly shot/instincts are as good as ever too.    Still think that he could score 50 one day, and stoked we have him.   Also on last year.   Did anyone else notice where he was as far as RW scoring first 30 or so games?   5/6 in the league - and this was BB lite.   

Stoked he's having a great year - now he's just top ten in scoring.     EP could have a similar path - we shouldn't give up on him.   I'm not.  

[IBatch]

30 minutes ago, khay said:

Well said.

 

6-8 range for Petey as he is in the same class as Barzals and Boesers.

 

A long term contract for young players are usually determined based on their current value + future value. In which case, one could argue 8-8.5 mil for Petey on an 8 year deal.

 

On a bridge deal, it can't exceed 7 unless they plan on destroying our cap structure.

What if it's 7.25?    Ha ha ... destroyed.