King Heffy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Just now, The_Rocket said: Funny thing is, he hates Poolman because of his analytics, but Poolman’s D-zone analytics are actually quite good. He’s one of those players that is good defensively, poor offensively. The eye test, the stat sheet, and the analytics show this. I honestly do not understand the hate for Poolman that many media members give him Defensive defensemen are criminally underappreciated these days, but are the backbone of successful playoff teams. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Rocket Posted September 15, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, JM_ said: funny thing is, one of the biggest fancy stats groups Evolving Hockey, put Poolmans appropriate next deal value at 2.4 mil. In addition to my Athletic subscription, I also have an Evolving Hockey subscription. all I hear on Twitter is that poolman sucks analytically, and he was only projected to get a league minimum deal (guys like Drance, Blake Price, Matt sekeras, etc say this). then, I go on evolving hockey, and they project a middle class contract, and have analytics that show he is good defensively. who am I to believe, the radio hosts taking out their as***s for 3 hours a day, or a website which simply out puts results, not opinions. Hmmmmmmm 2 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Defensive defensemen are criminally underappreciated these days, but are the backbone of successful playoff teams. No doubt. All you have to do is look at the Hamhuis 2011 playoff injury to understand how vital these guys can be 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: In addition to my Athletic subscription, I also have an Evolving Hockey subscription. all I hear on Twitter is that poolman sucks analytically, and he was only projected to get a league minimum deal (guys like Drance, Blake Price, Matt sekeras, etc say this). then, I go on evolving hockey, and they project a middle class contract, and have analytics that show he is good defensively. who am I to believe, the radio hosts taking out their as***s for 3 hours a day, or a website which simply out puts results, not opinions. Hmmmmmmm twitter is a cesspool. I hate that the media calls it "Canucks twitter" as if it represents most fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Defensive defensemen are criminally underappreciated these days, but are the backbone of successful playoff teams. Poolman was a full force PMD in college. 24 and 30 point seasons, a national champion with Boeser & Stech! Lousy offensively, apparently appreciated defensively last year. Playing with Morrisey against top comp. It seemed out of character? He was better two years ago; scored at a 23 point pace which is decent. I believe there is underlying potential. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 oh yeah, that's why I cancelled my subscription to the athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 hours ago, JM_ said: I doubt Drance has even figured THAT out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crabcakes Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 OEL & Garland for 3 boat anchors a 1st, 2nd and 7th gets a giant A+ from me IMO getting rid of the boat anchors and freeing up the cap space is worth a 1st at least. Compare the fabulous Leafs moving Marleau (a $6.25 cap hit with 1 year remaining) for a 13th OA pick? And Benning gets skewered for moving $12M for a 1st, 2nd, 7th which is a better deal than the Leafs got. PLUS they get a top 4 D and a top 6 winger. Are you kidding me? Trade of the frigging season! 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) I actually liked a lot of the moves this off-season, however, I'd also have been fine to wait for some of those contracts to come off the books in a year. My belief is that politics dictated these deals (Jim wants to keep the GM seat, like anybody would) but at the same time I think he did a pretty solid job considering what he had to work with. There is always the possibility that these guys just suck when they get to Vancouver, that is a story we are familiar with as Canucks fans...but that is true of any trade, really. Edited September 16, 2021 by Industrious1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 These dudes don't matter, I'm not going to pretend their insights do either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I pay no attention to people that aren't as educated as me when it comes to the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, JM_ said: Liars and Wankers...........JM They have to be one or the other! Cough, Cough! Never mind the rest of us! (Ladies excluded!) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Did they really grade Petey and Hughes's contracts before they've even been finished? Tells me all I need to know about this article. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Did they really grade Petey and Hughes's contracts before they've even been finished? Tells me all I need to know about this article. Bingo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 This offseason will probably end up like most things on here.....worse than most of the homers think and better than the bashers. I doubt Poolman is a D signing, I also doubt he's an A+. I find it hard to believe a 28 year old NHL defensemen with 120 games under his belt is comparable to Tanev. I also find it hard to believe a top 6 dman from Winnipeg is a D signing. OEL deal.....big contract. Next year, awesome especially with Garland....OEL might be an anchor in a few years but worry about it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) Post the article here if you want. I’m not paying the Athletic to read this tripe. Edited September 16, 2021 by CaptKirk888 Grammar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Alflives said: Two guys pretending to be hockey experts, who never played. And remember Drance is the idiot who is 110% a Dubass fan. Alf speaking the truth. I have a hard time drumming up any sort of respect for these scribes who have never laced on a pair of skates...I would have a smidgen of respect for these guys even if they played house league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 People need to realize what the OEL trade was all about It was a 1st to take Beagle, Player Name and Roussel It was a 2nd and 7th for Garland and then taking on that sh!t OEL contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 They acting like OEL is 39 and is done. Guy puts up 40 + points every season on a bad team and gets painted out as a Lucic type (can't play anymore and makes 7 million to much). Sure the OEL contract might look bad in year 5 and 6 but IMO he's got at least 4 really good seasons left in him. If the canucks haven't won by then anyhow the team is looking much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Giving a D to Hughes/Pettersson signing is more than fair. We have left ourselves with only 14mil of cap space when it will probably take 8mil each to sign both. This is why it is still not done deals and we will see how it plays out. It is much better to get these done early so the star players are prepared for training camp, which further adds to the D grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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