Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted November 17, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2021 This thread passed the [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at St. Louis Blues | Aug. 14, 2020 | Canucks lead series 2-0 for the most posts in a PGT on CDC. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, spook007 said: Thanks amigo for at least keeping me entertained... brilliant CDC Petey provides more entertainment on these boards than the actual Canucks team and NHL Petey do on the ice... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: CDC Petey provides more entertainment on these boards than the actual Canucks team and NHL Petey do on the ice... And that's a fact 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: Salo was tough as nails despite the injuries. He always came back and contributed straight away, and was never slowed down other than the game he played with a ruptured testicle. He had bad luck, but he was far from fragile. "Einstein' was a great player for the Nucks.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlemonger Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 9 hours ago, IBatch said: He won't lose fans. Or revenue. The market is big enough to fill the house even if it's not that great. Sure bandwaggoners come and go. That would be true if he already wasn't losing fans, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanleyCupOneDay Posted November 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2021 That hit piece article from THN about Benning is absolute biased horse$&!#. The stupidest, most simplistic way to analyze drafting success is in hindsight to look at which players could have been had at spot X and criticize the team for missing out on them without mentioning the number of other NHL clubs that also missed out on drafting said player. The other biased thing they do in that piece is not give praise for drafting a NHL player that’s no longer on the team. Does that mean every team needs to keep every drafted NHL player to be regarded as successful in drafting? It’s beyond ridiculous reasoning. The question being asked: Is Jim Benning a good drafter of NHL players? So let’s instead actually do a fair analysis of the Canucks overall drafting capability. What happened after they were drafted can be debated ad nauseam and is immaterial to whether he has drafted well or not. Let’s go through the article player by player. I’m only going to look at the players mentioned, not all Canucks picks. 2014: Virtanen - A gamble we obviously lost on. McCann - Still playing in the NHL, 23 other teams passed on him, definitely a win. Demko - In hindsight a home run pick. 35 teams passed on him. Forsling - Still playing in the NHL, 125 teams passed on him, obvious big win. Nylander - 6 other teams passed on him. Ehlers - 7 other teams passed on him. 2015: Boeser - Still playing in the NHL, 22 other teams passed on him, huge win. Gaudette - This one is more in the grey area. He definitely outperformed his drafting position, but only played 150 games and is now out of the league. 148 teams passed on him. Slight win to a wash here imo. 2016: Juolevi - Another pick that seems to have gone bust. Lockwood - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 63 other teams passed on him. TBD Matthew Tkachuk - 4 other teams passed on him. Clayton Keller - 5 other teams passed on him. Mikhail Sergachev - 7 other teams passed on him. 2017: Pettersson - Still playing in the NHL, 4 teams passed on him, definitely a win despite his recent poor play. Lind - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 32 other teams passed on him. TBD Gadjovich - Too soon to say. 54 other teams passed on him. TBD DiPietro - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 63 other teams passed on him. TBD Rathbone - Too soon to say. 94 other teams passed on him. TBD Nic Hague - 32 other teams passed on him. Jason Robertson - 37 other teams passed on him. 2018: Hughes - Still playing in the NHL, 6 teams passed on him, home run pick. Woo - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 36 other teams passed on him. TBD Madden - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 67 other teams passed on him. TBD Utunen - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 129 other teams passed on him. TBD Manukyan - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 185 other teams passed on him. TBD Thiessen - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 191 other teams passed on him. TBD Alexander Romanov - 36 other teams passed on him. 2019: Podkolzin - Too soon to say, but looking good so far. 9 other teams passed on him. TBD Höglander - Still playing in the NHL, 39 teams passed on him, absolute win. To sum up: In 2014 we drafted 3 NHL players In 2015 we drafted 1-2 NHL players In 2016 we drafted 0-1 NHL players In 2017 we drafted 1-5 NHL players In 2018 we drafted 1-6 NHL players In 2019 we drafted 1-2 NHL players On average each draft produces 60 NHL players of which 40 have a significant playing career. Every draft we got a significant NHL’er except 2016. We underperformed expectations in 2016, were average in 2015 and overperformed in 2014. We also have the potential to overperform in the 2017, 2018 and 2019 drafts. Under Jim Benning If 1 additional NHL player of significance comes from the drafts of 17, 18 and 19 (at least probable imo) we will have overperformed in 66.6%, underperformed in 16.66% and were average in 16.66% of drafts held with him in charge. Not exactly the kind of stats that would lead one to believe his drafting has been middling or a miss. 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 After all the harsh words and talk (and rightfully so) Im not tuning out like I thought I would/had been. genuinely curious how the team does on Weds. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said: That hit piece article from THN about Benning is absolute biased horse$&!#. The stupidest, most simplistic way to analyze drafting success is in hindsight to look at which players could have been had at spot X and criticize the team for missing out on them without mentioning the number of other NHL clubs that also missed out on drafting said player. The other biased thing they do in that piece is not give praise for drafting a NHL player that’s no longer on the team. Does that mean every team needs to keep every drafted NHL player to be regarded as successful in drafting? It’s beyond ridiculous reasoning. The question being asked: Is Jim Benning a good drafter of NHL players? So let’s instead actually do a fair analysis of the Canucks overall drafting capability. What happened after they were drafted can be debated ad nauseam and is immaterial to whether he has drafted well or not. Let’s go through the article player by player. I’m only going to look at the players mentioned, not all Canucks picks. 2014: Virtanen - A gamble we obviously lost on. McCann - Still playing in the NHL, 23 other teams passed on him, definitely a win. Demko - In hindsight a home run pick. 35 teams passed on him. Forsling - Still playing in the NHL, 125 teams passed on him, obvious big win. Nylander - 6 other teams passed on him. Ehlers - 7 other teams passed on him. 2015: Boeser - Still playing in the NHL, 22 other teams passed on him, huge win. Gaudette - This one is more in the grey area. He definitely outperformed his drafting position, but only played 150 games and is now out of the league. 148 teams passed on him. Slight win to a wash here imo. 2016: Juolevi - Another pick that seems to have gone bust. Lockwood - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 63 other teams passed on him. TBD Matthew Tkachuk - 4 other teams passed on him. Clayton Keller - 5 other teams passed on him. Mikhail Sergachev - 7 other teams passed on him. 2017: Pettersson - Still playing in the NHL, 4 teams passed on him, definitely a win despite his recent poor play. Lind - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 32 other teams passed on him. TBD Gadjovich - Too soon to say. 54 other teams passed on him. TBD DiPietro - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 63 other teams passed on him. TBD Rathbone - Too soon to say. 94 other teams passed on him. TBD Nic Hague - 32 other teams passed on him. Jason Robertson - 37 other teams passed on him. 2018: Hughes - Still playing in the NHL, 6 teams passed on him, home run pick. Woo - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 36 other teams passed on him. TBD Madden - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 67 other teams passed on him. TBD Utunen - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 129 other teams passed on him. TBD Manukyan - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 185 other teams passed on him. TBD Thiessen - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 191 other teams passed on him. TBD Alexander Romanov - 36 other teams passed on him. 2019: Podkolzin - Too soon to say, but looking good so far. 9 other teams passed on him. TBD Höglander - Still playing in the NHL, 39 teams passed on him, absolute win. To sum up: In 2014 we drafted 3 NHL players In 2015 we drafted 1-2 NHL players In 2016 we drafted 0-1 NHL players In 2017 we drafted 1-5 NHL players In 2018 we drafted 1-6 NHL players In 2019 we drafted 1-2 NHL players On average each draft produces 60 NHL players of which 40 have a significant playing career. Every draft we got a significant NHL’er except 2016. We underperformed expectations in 2016, were average in 2015 and overperformed in 2014. We also have the potential to overperform in the 2017, 2018 and 2019 drafts. Under Jim Benning If 1 additional NHL player of significance comes from the drafts of 17, 18 and 19 (at least probable imo) we will have overperformed in 66.6%, underperformed in 16.66% and were average in 16.66% of drafts held with him in charge. Not exactly the kind of stats that would lead one to believe his drafting has been middling or a miss. Based on your summary - the one thing never/hardly discussed when talking about drafts - is the talent level of the draft. Plus, the cap is very prohibitive about keeping a young & talented roster together for an extended period of time; and as proven, by the ever rebuilding teams: Buf & Sens, a GM with no wisdom in putting together a roster outside of collecting talent/players - will only keep a club in a perpetual state of mediocrity, with a blip taste of success (sounds familiar ?). In comparison, to Lou or Yzerman (just to name a few), watch how they handle the organizations assets (picks & players) and how they build up/tear down there roster. Are they infaliable ? - NO; but they seem to avoid making the same mistakes twice; and they seem to make sure they have autonomy & the support of the owners. Anyways, I enjoyed reading your rant/summary and lots of good points. Edited November 17, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: After all the harsh words and talk (and rightfully so) Im not tuning out like I thought I would/had been. genuinely curious how the team does on Weds. Tune out? Are you kidding this is just getting good. Plus we need to take things in context. We've had a tough go over the last 2 years including yesterday. Sit back, crack a beer, watch NHL/AHL hockey. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Isles about to drop to 5-6-2 after many picked them to be a cup favourite. Theres some weird storylines going on this season. Teams that were supposed to be bad are good (Kings, Preds, Ducks, Sharks), and teams that were supposed to be good have been bad (Isles, Avs, Knights). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Boudrias said: Canuck management should discontinue pressors for a month. Isolate the team as much as possible. These players being grilled by a bunch of no minds doesn't help anything or anyone. Totally agree. Don't know why this sort of thing is really needed during the regular season at all. Maybe save it for the conference finals and beyond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: CDC Petey provides more entertainment on these boards than the actual Canucks team and NHL Petey do on the ice... shame, shame on you for putting CDC above your on-ice responsibilities. although 7+ mill later and you still slumming it with us fans is kind of refreshing and appreciated. just please use some of that 7+ to buy a few hundred protein shakes for yourself. and maybe go back to your shorter stick. Oh, and what do you really think of Coach Green? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Angry Goose said: After all the harsh words and talk (and rightfully so) Im not tuning out like I thought I would/had been. genuinely curious how the team does on Weds. I'm very much with ya.. so much so that I wish I hadn't already planned something else for the evening lol.. oh well, at least I'll be spared the anxiety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Angry Goose said: After all the harsh words and talk (and rightfully so) Im not tuning out like I thought I would/had been. genuinely curious how the team does on Weds. It’s a definite statement game. Will determine what kind of team this really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 48MPHSlapShot Posted November 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: It’s a definite statement game. Will determine what kind of team this really is. Weren't the last two games supposed to be statement games? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Weren't the last two games supposed to be statement games? Just this one. Those were crappy games. There is a difference, ya know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Boudrias said: How about 2 or 3 retired players who simply talk about the game and possible ways that the team can work their way out of this? Maybe some real life examples of their experiences while they played. The constant pressure that these players are under can't be good for their mental health. Surely the coaches and team mates put enough pressure on them already. Sitting in front of a media goof and answering the same question for the 6th time means nothing to anyone. If a player totally loses it does the 'goof' get a Nobel Prize for Literature???? How about a couple of twins already on the payroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Just this one. Those were crappy games. There is a difference, ya know. Ideally speaking, I'd like to think the first game after a single blowout loss would be the "statement game", not the first game after three consecutive blowout losses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtzguy Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said: That hit piece article from THN about Benning is absolute biased horse$&!#. The stupidest, most simplistic way to analyze drafting success is in hindsight to look at which players could have been had at spot X and criticize the team for missing out on them without mentioning the number of other NHL clubs that also missed out on drafting said player. The other biased thing they do in that piece is not give praise for drafting a NHL player that’s no longer on the team. Does that mean every team needs to keep every drafted NHL player to be regarded as successful in drafting? It’s beyond ridiculous reasoning. The question being asked: Is Jim Benning a good drafter of NHL players? So let’s instead actually do a fair analysis of the Canucks overall drafting capability. What happened after they were drafted can be debated ad nauseam and is immaterial to whether he has drafted well or not. Let’s go through the article player by player. I’m only going to look at the players mentioned, not all Canucks picks. 2014: Virtanen - A gamble we obviously lost on. McCann - Still playing in the NHL, 23 other teams passed on him, definitely a win. Demko - In hindsight a home run pick. 35 teams passed on him. Forsling - Still playing in the NHL, 125 teams passed on him, obvious big win. Nylander - 6 other teams passed on him. Ehlers - 7 other teams passed on him. 2015: Boeser - Still playing in the NHL, 22 other teams passed on him, huge win. Gaudette - This one is more in the grey area. He definitely outperformed his drafting position, but only played 150 games and is now out of the league. 148 teams passed on him. Slight win to a wash here imo. 2016: Juolevi - Another pick that seems to have gone bust. Lockwood - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 63 other teams passed on him. TBD Matthew Tkachuk - 4 other teams passed on him. Clayton Keller - 5 other teams passed on him. Mikhail Sergachev - 7 other teams passed on him. 2017: Pettersson - Still playing in the NHL, 4 teams passed on him, definitely a win despite his recent poor play. Lind - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 32 other teams passed on him. TBD Gadjovich - Too soon to say. 54 other teams passed on him. TBD DiPietro - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 63 other teams passed on him. TBD Rathbone - Too soon to say. 94 other teams passed on him. TBD Nic Hague - 32 other teams passed on him. Jason Robertson - 37 other teams passed on him. 2018: Hughes - Still playing in the NHL, 6 teams passed on him, home run pick. Woo - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 36 other teams passed on him. TBD Madden - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 67 other teams passed on him. TBD Utunen - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 129 other teams passed on him. TBD Manukyan - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 185 other teams passed on him. TBD Thiessen - Too soon to say as he’s yet to crack the NHL. 191 other teams passed on him. TBD Alexander Romanov - 36 other teams passed on him. 2019: Podkolzin - Too soon to say, but looking good so far. 9 other teams passed on him. TBD Höglander - Still playing in the NHL, 39 teams passed on him, absolute win. To sum up: In 2014 we drafted 3 NHL players In 2015 we drafted 1-2 NHL players In 2016 we drafted 0-1 NHL players In 2017 we drafted 1-5 NHL players In 2018 we drafted 1-6 NHL players In 2019 we drafted 1-2 NHL players On average each draft produces 60 NHL players of which 40 have a significant playing career. Every draft we got a significant NHL’er except 2016. We underperformed expectations in 2016, were average in 2015 and overperformed in 2014. We also have the potential to overperform in the 2017, 2018 and 2019 drafts. Under Jim Benning If 1 additional NHL player of significance comes from the drafts of 17, 18 and 19 (at least probable imo) we will have overperformed in 66.6%, underperformed in 16.66% and were average in 16.66% of drafts held with him in charge. Not exactly the kind of stats that would lead one to believe his drafting has been middling or a miss. Your calculation is extremely flawed and bias. You literally said in 2018 that there is one sure fire NHLer (Hughes) but you counted all 6 in the final tally of "60" NHLers drafted by Benning. I counted 9 NHL players produced by Benning in a span of 8 years. So is Benning the draft whisperer that everyone preaches him to be about? No absolutely not. He basically averages 1 NHL / Draft based on your data. This is completely awful. Add to the mix of his botch signings and roster construction, Benning is up there with Mike Milbury for the Championship belt of Worse GM of ALL-TIME 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Angry Goose said: After all the harsh words and talk (and rightfully so) Im not tuning out like I thought I would/had been. genuinely curious how the team does on Weds. I never understood why people tune out when the team is losing. That’s when things get interesting. If it’s another blow out, that’s interesting. If the Canucks overcome the adversity and pull out a win, that’s interesting. No matter what happens, another page of the story turns. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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