ShawnAntoski Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Fiala (25) is headed into FA, only 3 yrs, younger than Miller; and he is on a contract year, headed into his prime. Preferably, the Canucks get futures and a young RHD (still in his ELC), for Miller. Fiala, is a player that should be acquired when the Canucks are, a legit contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted January 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, Me_ said: This from the Rangers potentials for Miller Potential NYR assets for Miller I say keep Miller. He’s the type you win Cups with. Besides, nothing impresses me in those potentials. They all carry high risk. In Miller, we k ow what we have and we know he’s got the playoff performance needed to go deep. Like Horvat, the higher the stake, the better he performs. Cant buy that. I’ll say it again Schnieder, Kravstov, and a 1st is absolutely something we would strongly consider. We’ll be kicking ourselves in a couple years when we’re desperate for cheaper young players to fill out the roster and our aging D core is no longer good enough to compete. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcheeze86 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Fiala (25) is headed into FA, only 3 yrs, younger than Miller; and he is on a contract year, headed into his prime. Preferably, the Canucks get futures and a young RHD (still in his ELC), for Miller. Fiala, is a player that should be acquired when the Canucks are, a legit contender. Fiala is undersized and streaky im not interested in that guy unless its motte + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Me_ said: This from the Rangers potentials for Miller Potential NYR assets for Miller I say keep Miller. He’s the type you win Cups with. Besides, nothing impresses me in those potentials. They all carry high risk. In Miller, we k ow what we have and we know he’s got the playoff performance needed to go deep. Like Horvat, the higher the stake, the better he performs. Cant buy that. Now if Colorado is desperate to make some noise and are stupid enough to include Newhook in a deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 57 minutes ago, Topcheeze86 said: Fiala is undersized and streaky im not interested in that guy unless its motte + Yip. Not what we need. Size plaese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 11/27/2021 at 12:36 PM, SilentSam said: Time to start a new thread: 2. Juicy trade proposal floated out by Nick Kypreos this week. If the floundering Vancouver Canucks (6-12-2) are willing to surrender to a reset and wish to maximize a return, how many contenders would be lining up offers for captain Bo Horvat? The responsible two-way centre has two potential playoff runs on a contract that carries a friendly $5.5-million cap hit, and the rental market up the middle of the ice should be incredibly thin this season. When his deal expires in 2023, Horvat will be 28 years old and searching for an estimated seven years near $7 million per season. Will a long-term commitment to Horvat at that point align with a legitimate contention window for Vancouver? If not, it’s not so crazy to think this winter could be the best time to move on. What else does the club have to offer as a trade chip? Tyler Motte? Brad Hunt? Jaroslav Halak? Brandon Sutter? Compared to a Horvat blockbuster, those returns wouldn’t be in the same ballpark. Bo is worth 7 times 7. If that's what it takes to re-sign him, do it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Topcheeze86 said: Fiala is undersized and streaky im not interested in that guy unless its motte + Motte is 1yr older and would probably be cheaper than Fiala. Both are FA's and would rather keep Motte at a cheaper cost; although, my only concern with Motte, is his durability. Edited January 20, 2022 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Me_ said: This from the Rangers potentials for Miller Potential NYR assets for Miller I say keep Miller. He’s the type you win Cups with. Besides, nothing impresses me in those potentials. They all carry high risk. In Miller, we k ow what we have and we know he’s got the playoff performance needed to go deep. Like Horvat, the higher the stake, the better he performs. Cant buy that. If we had Miller under club control for several more years at a reasonable cap hit I say sure. If he is 5 years young I also say sure. Neither of those things are the case though. The pieces listed here could restock our pipeline for years as well as giving immediate help now. I would probably weight it a little more in terms of “now” to make it clear to the room that our window is just opening and not several years from now. Retain on Miller and up the return. Schneider (help now) K’Andre Miller (help now) Kravtsov (help in the future) Barron (help in the future) 2nd round pick (help in the future) for Miller 50% retained Poolman Schenn Edited January 19, 2022 by Provost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The topic should probably be changed to reflect a general JT Miller trade discussion thread. that being said, if the Canucks were to trade Miller his value is currently at an all-time high. Outstanding play, outstanding contract value, very good age for a contender. If the Canucks were to trade him it better results in a few foundational pieces coming back. The Rangers do you have what it takes to make the deal palatable for Vancouver. The only question is whether they are willing to go that far in for Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 This thread, although not that old, has aged horribly! Miller for Fiala….lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: I’ll say it again Schnieder, Kravstov, and a 1st is absolutely something we would strongly consider. We’ll be kicking ourselves in a couple years when we’re desperate for cheaper young players to fill out the roster and our aging D core is no longer good enough to compete. Even worse than not good enough, most will simply be gone. We currently have no succession plan to replace Myers in a couple more years or HaM(IA)onic in our top 4 next year, with them expiring. Woo/Juulsen can probably cover the bottom of the D but the top...? And our top isn't good enough WITH those guys. Chytil (cap, speed and upside), Schneider and their 1st should be absolute minimum. Any additional pieces (Schenn? Motte? Etc) or retention and it should go up from there (Kravstov, Lundqvist etc). Edited January 19, 2022 by aGENT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Screw said: The topic should probably be changed to reflect a general JT Miller trade discussion thread. that being said, if the Canucks were to trade Miller his value is currently at an all-time high. Outstanding play, outstanding contract value, very good age for a contender. If the Canucks were to trade him it better results in a few foundational pieces coming back. The Rangers do you have what it takes to make the deal palatable for Vancouver. The only question is whether they are willing to go that far in for Miller. Impossible. There is only one Brandon Sutter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 44 minutes ago, Provost said: If we had Miller under club control for several more years at a reasonable cap hit I say sure. If he is 5 years young I also say sure. Neither of those things are the case though. The pieces listed here could restock our pipeline for years as well as giving immediate help now. I would probably weight it a little more in terms of “now” to make it clear to the room that our window is just opening and not several years from now. Retain on Miller and up the return. Schneider (help now) K’Andre Miller (help now) Kravtsov Barron 2nd round pick for Miller 50% retained Poolman Schenn Change Kravtsov for Lafreneier and then it's more fair. Pus, we will keep our Pool cleaner guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EB43 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Change Kravtsov for Lafreneier and then it's more fair. Pus, we will keep our Pool cleaner guy. Schneider Lafreniere for Miller at 50% seems fair, but I highly doubt NY would consider moving Lafreniere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I went through the effort of trying to determine what JT Miller's actual value would be right now. I think you'd be surprised at how much he should actually be worth right now: JT Miller alone without any retention should bring in a MINIMUM of: Chytil Blais (I think Blais could replace Motte should we choose to move him) Schneider 1st 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 On 11/22/2021 at 6:46 PM, Master Mind said: Agreed, you don't see too many deals involving a winger for a D. Miller being able to play C could be what entices a team to move a top 4 D though. The problem is.... We don't need a top 4 D. You could argue that Ekmann-Larsson, Myers, and Hamonic are all top 4 D men. Are you trading JT Miller for any of them? The canucks legit need a top pairing defenseman. As good as Hughes is he will always be a offensive specialist. We need another high caliber young guy that is our "everything" defenseman. Until the Canucks get a Hedman, Josi, Ekblad, Pietrangelo, or Jones type of defenseman they aren't going to win anything! Unfortunately those guys are almost impossible to trade for, and when we thought we drafted one in 2016 it was a huge swing and a miss. (While ironically passing on McCavoy and Chychrun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Can’t the Canucks trade Ferlands LTIR contract, instead of absorbing cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 It’s been reported Schneider was unavailable for Eichel. I doubt they trade him for Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollup5 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Members 2.6k Posted 21 minutes ago Can’t the Canucks trade Ferlands LTIR contract, instead of absorbing cap? Why? it doesn't count against the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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