[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[eeeeergh]

17 hours ago, Alflives said:

Funny.  We are such a mess that JR doesn’t know which direction he should take?  Clearly, like when he first arrived, it should be blow up this froggin’ disaster ?Benning built. 

If there's ever a draft to have 2+ 1st round picks in, its this one.

 

If we're trending out of a playoff spot 10-15 games from now, I'd like to see them position to start selling assets to contenders. 2023 draft is so deep, if we tank and lose the lottery, we could still end up with Michkov or Fantilli. 

 

Somethings rotten in this team, and its not our young players. 

 

Petey, Podz, Hogs, Hughes, Demko + a couple 2023 draft picks should be our core, with Garland and Mik as our veteran leaders. 

 

[rekker]

1 hour ago, GB5 said:

They should have started this at the tdl last year...... Missed too many good trading opportunities already leading to re-signing guys they should have dealt.

I agree, but really, the second half last year was killer. I don't think you give up on a team that does that. This year, the fragile nature of this team, the physical softness that makes it a joy to play against them has exposed the team for what it really is. Always was a hint that the team was like this. We know now that it's crap. I'm ready to blow it up. If the offers make sense, anyone and everyone is up for sale imho.

[DownUndaCanuck]

13 hours ago, BC_Hawk said:

The problem lies in that Petey, Demko, and Podz wouldn't stick around for a 3-5 year rebuild. PA/JR just have to face the fact they can longer be cute in rebuilding the D; they need to pay the Pyper and get the Top4 guy at all cost.

 

This is a very good team that has two holes that has eroded all their confidence' 1) missing Dman 2) Poor leadership in coaching and FO

 

People keep blaming the players, but the circus show of the FO and BB is worse.

This is the worry, if our "core" don't want to stick around (and rightly so) then we sell them big time and tank even harder.

 

Petey could surely get us a Tkachuk-type deal, something like 2 x 1sts and a decent player (although if no player wants to come back, a good prospect?). Hughes the same, Demko could get us the equivalent of 2 1sts easily and Podkolzin a high 1st.

 

We could become a UFA/AHL team similar to the Sens/Coyotes did while those many picks are cooking in the oven. Trading Petey, Hughes, Podkolzin and Bo would get us the equivalent of 10 x 1st round picks. We'd have to target teams who aren't contenders (they won't have room for their cap) but rather teams on the up (eg. Buffalo) who are done rebuilding. Also, we could take on some dreadful contracts for some picks/prospects too.

 

 

[cripplereh]

22 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

This is the worry, if our "core" don't want to stick around (and rightly so) then we sell them big time and tank even harder.

 

Petey could surely get us a Tkachuk-type deal, something like 2 x 1sts and a decent player (although if no player wants to come back, a good prospect?). Hughes the same, Demko could get us the equivalent of 2 1sts easily and Podkolzin a high 1st.

 

We could become a UFA/AHL team similar to the Sens/Coyotes did while those many picks are cooking in the oven. Trading Petey, Hughes, Podkolzin and Bo would get us the equivalent of 10 x 1st round picks. We'd have to target teams who aren't contenders (they won't have room for their cap) but rather teams on the up (eg. Buffalo) who are done rebuilding. Also, we could take on some dreadful contracts for some picks/prospects too.

 

 

Yah I think with all our big names 7 1st at most plus 3 bad contracts coming back.Long as the bads aren't more then two years I would do it.

[NHL97OneTimer]

On 10/24/2022 at 1:26 PM, eeeeergh said:

If there's ever a draft to have 2+ 1st round picks in, its this one.

 

If we're trending out of a playoff spot 10-15 games from now, I'd like to see them position to start selling assets to contenders. 2023 draft is so deep, if we tank and lose the lottery, we could still end up with Michkov or Fantilli. 

 

Somethings rotten in this team, and its not our young players. 

 

Petey, Podz, Hogs, Hughes, Demko + a couple 2023 draft picks should be our core, with Garland and Mik as our veteran leaders. 

 

Tough to think Petey sticks around.

 

This team does nothing unless they pull in 2 very solid defensemen, with one preferably being a Norris candidate.  Nobody gives those away so we're looking at a seriously high draft pick in the next year or two.

[cripplereh]

3 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

Tough to think Petey sticks around.

 

This team does nothing unless they pull in 2 very solid defensemen, with one preferably being a Norris candidate.  Nobody gives those away so we're looking at a seriously high draft pick in the next year or two.

Well if we fully rebuild the next 2 years we should have at least 3 picks in both drafts plus.Getting Centers,D and so on we should be better in three years with more players coming.

[Alflives]

7 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

Tough to think Petey sticks around.

 

This team does nothing unless they pull in 2 very solid defensemen, with one preferably being a Norris candidate.  Nobody gives those away so we're looking at a seriously high draft pick in the next year or two.

What choice does Petey have?  He’s still going to be an RFA. 

[MikeBossy]

On 10/23/2022 at 2:57 PM, combover said:

Ep isn’t going to stay if we don’t get competitive. And I don’t see that happening with this group and garbage for D. 
he’s not going to waste his prime playing for a dud.

horvats in his prime he’s be wise to go to a team that might actually have a chance to win something other than the last wildcard spot he wasted enough of his career here.
Jb screwed this club for years to come. 
 

Not really the type of guy to build a team around is it. Say what you like about mCdavid but he stuck thru the tough times in Coilerville and looks like they have turned a corner.

[combover]

8 minutes ago, MikeBossy said:

Not really the type of guy to build a team around is it. Say what you like about mCdavid but he stuck thru the tough times in Coilerville and looks like they have turned a corner.

Why. Because he doesn’t want to waste his career. I rather see a player that doesn’t want to be on a perennial loser than someone who just wants to get paid. 
the team has to show its on the path to becoming  a winner we haven’t been able to achieved that since before  horvat showed up. 
i don’t blame him or any other player who would want to leave JBs flushing toilet plan. 
 

 

[MikeBossy]

2 minutes ago, combover said:

Why. Because he doesn’t want to waste his career. I rather see a player that doesn’t want to be on a perennial loser than someone who just wants to get paid. 
the team has to show its on the path to becoming  a winner we haven’t been able to achieved that since before  horvat showed up. 
i don’t blame him or any other player who would want to leave JBs flushing toilet plan. 
 

 

Again if we have a leadership identity crisis with this team how is Petey leading the charge if thats his attitude? It's up to players on the ice too. McDavid hates losing too but not once did he complain or threaten to leave Edmonton did he?

[combover]

4 minutes ago, MikeBossy said:

Again if we have a leadership identity crisis with this team how is Petey leading the charge if thats his attitude? It's up to players on the ice too. McDavid hates losing too but not once did he complain or threaten to leave Edmonton did he?

 maybe because not everyone’s a leader. 

Ep was handed a short term deal the team wanted him to prove himself I don’t have any issues with a player saying like wise to the team especially one that’s shown to have no true direction or plan. . 

I’m surprised even horvat wants to stay a this point we are no closer to being competitive  than the day he suited up. 
best part is then fans turn on these loyal  players for not doing more……. 
It’s a business crap businesses have a hard time keep good employees good  businesss don’t. 
we aren’t good. 
 

i don’t blame players for not wanting to waste there best playing years playing for a team that is directionless and failed to show improvement year after year. 

 

[coryberg]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

What choice does Petey have?  He’s still going to be an RFA. 

Pettersson will be 25 years old, and still a restricted free agent. But he’ll also be in his sixth NHL season and just a single season away from unrestricted free agency at age 26.

At that point, there’s nothing stopping Pettersson from accepting his one-year qualifying offer — or even filing for arbitration — playing out the year, and then moving on as a UFA.

Edited October 26, 2022 by coryberg

[Provost]

2 minutes ago, coryberg said:

Pettersson will be 25 years old, and still a restricted free agent. But he’ll also be in his sixth NHL season and just a single season away from unrestricted free agency at age 26.

At that point, there’s nothing stopping Pettersson from accepting his one-year qualifying offer — or even filing for arbitration — playing out the year, and then moving on as a UFA.

Yep.. this.  

If this season is a bust, then the boat may have already sailed on Petterson's future with the team.  He either walks or you have to overpay to keep him on a team he has known nothing but losing on his entire career.

Same goes for Horvat next offseason.

The value of trading Petterson now with some years of club control is pretty massive... it becomes a whole lot less when facing no cost certainty for a player who is an unsigned RFA.  If we aren't going to be a cap team we can also eat a bad contract (without a lot of term) coming the other way or even retain salary on him.

Hughes, Petterson, and Demko all net you first round picks (maybe multiple 1st rounders each as they are likely to be later in the round) plus a bunch of a trading partner's top prospects.  

[Westcoastcanucks777]

Bad attitude look what Bo said!

[Gurn]

8 minutes ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said:

Bad attitude look what Bo said!

quote is shortened.

Lacks context

 

but believe what you want.

[smithers joe]

6 minutes ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said:

Bad attitude look what Bo said!

imo, BO  is tired of saying the same thing after each loss. watching them play i can understand his feelig about the future of the season. imo honesty.

[Coconuts]

5 hours ago, Provost said:

Yep.. this.  

If this season is a bust, then the boat may have already sailed on Petterson's future with the team.  He either walks or you have to overpay to keep him on a team he has known nothing but losing on his entire career.

Same goes for Horvat next offseason.

The value of trading Petterson now with some years of club control is pretty massive... it becomes a whole lot less when facing no cost certainty for a player who is an unsigned RFA.  If we aren't going to be a cap team we can also eat a bad contract (without a lot of term) coming the other way or even retain salary on him.

Hughes, Petterson, and Demko all net you first round picks (maybe multiple 1st rounders each as they are likely to be later in the round) plus a bunch of a trading partner's top prospects.  

Yup, if we continue to struggle and miss the playoffs there's a chance guys we view as top guys or keepers won't want to stay. Doesn't matter whether we're intentionally bad or not. 

 

If this team can't pull it together over the next few seasons big decisions regarding Pettersson, Demko, Hughes, ect may very well be made for management. 

 

Could easily see Bo deciding he's had enough, could easily see Boeser walking in three years (regardless of whether folks think he should be retained or not). 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Coconuts

[cripplereh]

15 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Yup, if we continue to struggle and miss the playoffs there's a chance guys we view as top guys or keepers won't want to stay. Doesn't matter whether we're intentionally bad or not. 

 

If this team can't pull it together over the next few seasons big decisions regarding Pettersson, Demko, Hughes, ect may very well be made for management. 

 

Could easily see Bo deciding he's had enough, could easily see Boeser walking in three years (regardless of whether folks think he should be retained or not). 

Next few seasons? If they can't pull it together in the next 5 games we need a drastic change sooner the years.

[Coconuts]

10 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

Next few seasons? If they can't pull it together in the next 5 games we need a drastic change sooner the years.

The scenario in a few games won't have the same impact as the scenario a few seasons from now could. Being frustrated and being under team control isn't the same as being able to take your qualifying offer and then walk to UFA. That's how it could look for Pettersson. 

 

What we need is something else entirely. I agree change is needed, but Pettersson doesn't have that kind of decision making power a few games from now. 

[Westcoastcanucks777]

58 minutes ago, gurn said:

quote is shortened.

Lacks context

 

but believe what you want.

Bad Bo!