canuck73_3 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: How come Boucher wasn’t tried as an adult? He was 17. He raped a 12 year old. Or serve time or get a record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Master Mind said: He needs jail time. Yes, stick him with a bunch of the worst people in our society for months/years. That will surely improve the situation. Prison is one of the most counterproductive institutes we have. Not sure what the answer here is, but there's gotta be something better than that. Edited January 16, 2022 by D-Money 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 42 minutes ago, D-Money said: Yes, stick him with a bunch of the worst people in our society for months/years. That will surely improve the situation. Prison is one of the most counterproductive institutes we have. Not sure what the answer here is, but there's gotta be something better than that. I hate that we focus on "him" though. If it makes HER feel better knowing he's there, then that's more important. I agree with trying to rehabilitate people....but not at the expense of their victims, who deserve justice. 5 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 It's really bad - yikes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Coconuts said: Lou's a straight shooter, I don't see any reason not to believe him Listening to Chiclets you hear lots of guys telling stories and having laughs about their experiences with Lou, but they all seem to hold him in high regard in terms of his character. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, D-Money said: Yes, stick him with a bunch of the worst people in our society for months/years. That will surely improve the situation. Prison is one of the most counterproductive institutes we have. Not sure what the answer here is, but there's gotta be something better than that. He is one of the worst people in our society. There is zero reason for him to ever be allowed out of prison. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, D-Money said: Yes, stick him with a bunch of the worst people in our society for months/years. That will surely improve the situation. Prison is one of the most counterproductive institutes we have. Not sure what the answer here is, but there's gotta be something better than that. He raped an elementary school aged child. She was 12. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, -DLC- said: I hate that we focus on "him" though. If it makes HER feel better knowing he's there, then that's more important. I agree with trying to rehabilitate people....but not at the expense of their victims, who deserve justice. I agree that the victim has been very poorly served by the courts and Hockey USA, I I believe the concept of rehabilitation should include the victim, (not because she is at fault, because she deserves a good life) She was very young at the time of the offense, she is still young A worse travesty than the original attack would be to let her live the rest of her life filled with hate. I have yet to see any stats that indicate that jail time for the victim is actually beneficial to the victim. We often see the victims of similar (loosely similar) situations focusing on whether the perpetrator gets appropriate sentence But I wonder if the desire for jail sentence is actually a placebo for real justice and healing? In this case, this issue has been with the victim for almost 1/2 her life She may have been hoping for jail sentence for longer than she can really remember It is entirely possible that if Boucher got jail time the victim would then focus her life to keeping him there, a real waste of her life. Jail sentence if this case seems to be as useful as giving wounded military a large sum of cash when they are suffering PTSD ( the victim in this case likely is suffering PTSD) I am not defending the current sentence, I feel the victim has been underserved, In my view this situation is very similar to the Kyle Beach story, in that the governing body, be it the Black Hawks or Hockey USA has swept the incident under the rug and allowed the perpetrator to move on for a long time. Heads should roll at hockey USA, and the billitting agency 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, lmm said: I agree that the victim has been very poorly served by the courts and Hockey USA, I I believe the concept of rehabilitation should include the victim, (not because she is at fault, because she deserves a good life) She was very young at the time of the offense, she is still young A worse travesty than the original attack would be to let her live the rest of her life filled with hate. I have yet to see any stats that indicate that jail time for the victim is actually beneficial to the victim. We often see the victims of similar (loosely similar) situations focusing on whether the perpetrator gets appropriate sentence But I wonder if the desire for jail sentence is actually a placebo for real justice and healing? In this case, this issue has been with the victim for almost 1/2 her life She may have been hoping for jail sentence for longer than she can really remember It is entirely possible that if Boucher got jail time the victim would then focus her life to keeping him there, a real waste of her life. Jail sentence if this case seems to be as useful as giving wounded military a large sum of cash when they are suffering PTSD ( the victim in this case likely is suffering PTSD) I am not defending the current sentence, I feel the victim has been underserved, In my view this situation is very similar to the Kyle Beach story, in that the governing body, be it the Black Hawks or Hockey USA has swept the incident under the rug and allowed the perpetrator to move on for a long time. Heads should roll at hockey USA, and the billitting agency Well according to this, I believe she deserved better. And, in all honesty, it's up to the victim to decide how they feel and what provides justice and healing for them. A jail sentence means he has to endure some suffering and perhaps gains some empathy through that. I'm ok with that. Quote According to the Detroit Free Press, the judge said the sentence reduction was appropriate given “unusual” circumstances in the case and also noted Boucher’s age at the time of the reported assault and how long it has been since then. As the offence occurred when Boucher was a minor, under Michigan state law, if he successfully completes whatever his sentence proves to be, the conviction won’t appear on his public record. The young woman, now 23, told The Free Press that she’s disgusted with the sentence. “He’s never had to face any accountability. And then in the meantime … my entire life was kind of shattered into a million pieces,” she said. “I’ve had to piece that together over the past 10 years.” She said she didn’t even tell her parents about what had happened until she was 15 and tumbled into problems with drugs and alcohol, engaged in self-harm and developed an eating disorder. She said the Larry Nassar case — the team doctor for USA Gymnastics who was convicted of abusing girls and women — prompted her to report her allegations to Ann Arbor, Mich., police last year. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Oh my.. I just saw this on Google canucks news.. Horrible.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drop Em Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, lmm said: I agree that the victim has been very poorly served by the courts and Hockey USA, I I believe the concept of rehabilitation should include the victim, (not because she is at fault, because she deserves a good life) She was very young at the time of the offense, she is still young A worse travesty than the original attack would be to let her live the rest of her life filled with hate. I have yet to see any stats that indicate that jail time for the victim is actually beneficial to the victim. We often see the victims of similar (loosely similar) situations focusing on whether the perpetrator gets appropriate sentence But I wonder if the desire for jail sentence is actually a placebo for real justice and healing? In this case, this issue has been with the victim for almost 1/2 her life She may have been hoping for jail sentence for longer than she can really remember It is entirely possible that if Boucher got jail time the victim would then focus her life to keeping him there, a real waste of her life. Jail sentence if this case seems to be as useful as giving wounded military a large sum of cash when they are suffering PTSD ( the victim in this case likely is suffering PTSD) I am not defending the current sentence, I feel the victim has been underserved, In my view this situation is very similar to the Kyle Beach story, in that the governing body, be it the Black Hawks or Hockey USA has swept the incident under the rug and allowed the perpetrator to move on for a long time. Heads should roll at hockey USA, and the billitting agency I understand what you're saying about the sweeping things under the rug thing. But the HUGE difference for me is that Beach was a grown adult, and she was a 12 year old CHILD. Boucher KNEW what he was doing was wrong, and is getting off waaaaaay to easy as far as I'm concerned. He's a sexual predator, whose made that poor girls life a living hell, and he should pay a huge price for what he's done. He thought it was difficult trying to make it in the NHL as a soft and undersized guy.....but that would be nothing compared to how hard he would and SHOULD find it as a soft, undersized, convicted sexual predator of a child in prison.....and he'd fully deserve any PTSD that he'd receive from the treatment he'd get inside. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 hours ago, -AJ- said: Yikes. Hope he's matured a lot since then. Hope he has matured?! You are taught how to treat girls with respect all the time growing up during pre school and primary age if you have good parents and a normal upbringing and then it is reinforced in school. Maturity is no excuse at all. We are talking about a 17 year old going on 18 able to drive a car by himself!! He must have been looking at some really messed up kiddie weird incest porn and getting into some really bad $&!# or he himself was molested by a family member growing up for his brain to be so messed up that early! For him to force a little girl to have to give him oral sex and then blackmail her so she doesn't tell anyone is bonafide sexual predator behavior. He should be locked up and forced to forfeit his salary and suffer the fate the inmates give to child molesters,pedos and rapists in jails!!! 8 hours ago, AV. said: This team employed Leipsic, Virtanen, and Boucher all at once. Oh, and they're interviewing Sean Burke.. Disgusting. 7 hours ago, Quantum said: I believe working in the NHL in any big capacity (GM, player, Coach) is a huge privilege and people who beat their spouses, at any point in their life, don't deserve this privilege. This wasn't an isolated incident. He did beat her multiple times. And worst of all, Burke was playing for Rutherford (Rutherford was GM of the Hurricanes, at the time) when this incident went down and the team chose not to suspend him during the incident. Sure, he plead guilty and did the classes. Still doesn't dismiss the fact that people have lost more opportunity for doing less. It's all detailed in this article: https://apnews.com/article/28d32fc5586566aaf258994a840e410c Old boys club never fails. 4 hours ago, Alflives said: How come Boucher wasn’t tried as an adult? He was 17. He raped a 12 year old. The law I guess is 18. DOesn't change the fact that he is a sick bastard. If anything bad happens to him at some point in his life the bad karma will be fully deserved ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cramarossa Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Isn't Boucher the father of a young daughter? Yikes, I hope his wife and child(ren) are safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 You can’t rehab S** offenders. The best punishment would be to have them handcuffed in a chair and let the father of the victim do whatever he see’s fit. Even if it’s death. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Cramarossa said: Isn't Boucher the father of a young daughter? Yikes, I hope his wife and child(ren) are safe. I am sure his wife won't leave him unless his behavior was or becomes more erratic. He is making good money. Other than not directly apologizing to the victim or making a public statement he keeps his nose clean we are lead to believe. Then again he is in shady Russia where they probably look past these kind of details if you are a famous Russian hockey league star player who won a championship coming over as a foreigner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Alflives said: How come Boucher wasn’t tried as an adult? He was 17. He raped a 12 year old. Reason 1 - He isn't black Reason 2 - Justice system are a bunch of clowns. Rape is so overlooked by them its no wonder women dont come forward about their assault. Its a damn shame. I dont wish ill will on many, but my god I hope someone gets their hands on that scumbag and puts him in a wheelchair or worse. Sorry, but rapists/pedos are 1 think that I really cant stand, and im all for executing every last 1 of the sick bastards. The judges and lawyers that look past it should be buried with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: Hope he has matured?! You are taught how to treat girls with respect all the time growing up during pre school and primary age if you have good parents and a normal upbringing and then it is reinforced in school. Maturity is no excuse at all. We are talking about a 17 year old going on 18 able to drive a car by himself!! Maybe "mature" isn't the correct word. What I mean to say is that I hope he's changed since then and has realized how selfish and stupid he was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) My thoughts are with the victim and her emotional welfare. I hope this young woman and the people who love her,especially her parents can find healing and a measure of peace in their lives. My heart goes out to her and them. Edited January 16, 2022 by Ilunga 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 One more reason why Utica was a terrible place to be at as a young player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, lmm said: I agree that the victim has been very poorly served by the courts and Hockey USA, I I believe the concept of rehabilitation should include the victim, (not because she is at fault, because she deserves a good life) She was very young at the time of the offense, she is still young A worse travesty than the original attack would be to let her live the rest of her life filled with hate. I have yet to see any stats that indicate that jail time for the victim is actually beneficial to the victim. We often see the victims of similar (loosely similar) situations focusing on whether the perpetrator gets appropriate sentence But I wonder if the desire for jail sentence is actually a placebo for real justice and healing? In this case, this issue has been with the victim for almost 1/2 her life She may have been hoping for jail sentence for longer than she can really remember It is entirely possible that if Boucher got jail time the victim would then focus her life to keeping him there, a real waste of her life. Jail sentence if this case seems to be as useful as giving wounded military a large sum of cash when they are suffering PTSD ( the victim in this case likely is suffering PTSD) I am not defending the current sentence, I feel the victim has been underserved, In my view this situation is very similar to the Kyle Beach story, in that the governing body, be it the Black Hawks or Hockey USA has swept the incident under the rug and allowed the perpetrator to move on for a long time. Heads should roll at hockey USA, and the billitting agency Not sure how a victim of any sexual assault feels, don't think anyone really does, unless they've been in the situation, but I feel a jail sentence would be some sort of closure for the victim in that they can see society is believing in them, and understands, what they are going through... How a victim moves on from this nobody knows, but of course this will involve lots of help rebuilding her life... I can just imagine, the feeling of being told, yes we feel for you, and it terrible, so we told him and that's it??? Not sure that would do much but build up anger and hatred... Also, her familys anger and grief over, what happened to their daughter, while opening their doors to a young man. I would have been livid, if it would have happened to my daughter... Some how I think they will also need some sort of closure... Edited January 16, 2022 by spook007 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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