higgyfan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I think Hronek, new Beau, and Raty will always be compared to old Bo in our market. We still talk about the Linden trade and how that set up for the development of our most successful teams ever. This trade has a similar potential. Yes, so far the trade is looking very good for the Nucks. I like what Raty brings to the C position, although I am unsure as to how good he will be. If he finds a way to put his skills all together and improve his skating, he could end up as a 2C, but for now, I think he has another season in Abby and then onward and upward with the Canucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Yes, so far the trade is looking very good for the Nucks. I like what Raty brings to the C position, although I am unsure as to how good he will be. If he finds a way to put his skills all together and improve his skating, he could end up as a 2C, but for now, I think he has another season in Abby and then onward and upward with the Canucks. Fortunately Raty’s greatest strength is his extremely high hockey smarts. The best 200 foot players are over the top quick game processors. Snd those guys go t need to be overly fleet of foot. ROR, PB, and others use their brains to be ahead of the play. Raty will for sure be a defensively sound centre. The question is whether he will be enough of an offensive threat to fill the 2C role (and push JTM to wing) or whether he tops out as a 3C and is more like Malholtra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 hours ago, BCNate said: I think Bo is a 7 mil player on the absolute high end. I really like the way that JR handled the negotiation, and did not cave on a career season that most thought was unstainable. Bo: 18gp, 9 points, -3 Beau: 18gp, 16 points, +1 We haven't missed Bo at all, and still have a top4 D and very good prospect to add from this deal. One of our best trades in recent memory. I agree Bo got over paid, glad it wasn't us. We coul have used him but for around 7m at most imo. The key thing people are forgetting to mention when comparing stats is NYI are winning quite a bit since Bo arrived AND Barzal has been injured for most of that time. Take Pettersson away from Vancouver's lineup and do you honestly think Beau's stats are as good as they are?!? Chances are they would be lower without a healthy Petey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 hours ago, higgyfan said: Yes, so far the trade is looking very good for the Nucks. I like what Raty brings to the C position, although I am unsure as to how good he will be. If he finds a way to put his skills all together and improve his skating, he could end up as a 2C, but for now, I think he has another season in Abby and then onward and upward with the Canucks. Hope we don't rush Raty, still is young. I am sure he will get NHL games next year but he dosen't have to make it out of training camp imo or not with high expectations. See how he does for Abbotsford during the playoffs and I would be curious if Tocchet and or management may ask some players to either stay back all off season or come back quite early to get an early start on training. Maybe team brings in some specialty coaches like a former player like Oates as an example to come to Vancouver and work with X amount of players regarding certain areas of the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, Neutral said: I agree Bo got over paid, glad it wasn't us. We coul have used him but for around 7m at most imo. The key thing people are forgetting to mention when comparing stats is NYI are winning quite a bit since Bo arrived AND Barzal has been injured for most of that time. Take Pettersson away from Vancouver's lineup and do you honestly think Beau's stats are as good as they are?!? Chances are they would be lower without a healthy Petey It was a fantastic trade for us. At 68 million a player should be the one driving his line. Bo is a supporting role guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Neutral said: I agree Bo got over paid, glad it wasn't us. We coul have used him but for around 7m at most imo. The key thing people are forgetting to mention when comparing stats is NYI are winning quite a bit since Bo arrived AND Barzal has been injured for most of that time. Take Pettersson away from Vancouver's lineup and do you honestly think Beau's stats are as good as they are?!? Chances are they would be lower without a healthy Petey Sure, but if you demand a 8x8.5 deal, you are paid to produce regardless of who is the lineup. If you get paid to be the guy, you need to play like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 47 minutes ago, BCNate said: Sure, but if you demand a 8x8.5 deal, you are paid to produce regardless of who is the lineup. If you get paid to be the guy, you need to play like it. To be fair, Bo's contract doesn't start until next season, so the Islanders are getting what they are paying for. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, higgyfan said: To be fair, Bo's contract doesn't start until next season, so the Islanders are getting what they are paying for. Honestly that’s a great point. Same can be said for JTM who is massively outperforming his current deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DownUndaCanuck Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 7 points in his last 7 games, looks like he's finally finding himself in Abby. Ideally we let him cook there all of next season and sign a 3C UFA but if he keeps progressing and surprises some people in training camp, he deserves a spot on the Canucks bottom 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 7:40 PM, -Vintage Canuck- said: smart and strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 How is this trade not a massive win for us, JT and EP in beast mode now, no grumblings of room attitude issues, JT said "its fun to come to the rink again," Beauvillier out pacing Bo at less than half the money (for next year) That Bo contract will not age well, when he is 33 getting 40 points and being a +3 on the year how will 8.5 look ? plus we flipped the first for a sure fire top 2 d man... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: How is this trade not a massive win for us, JT and EP in beast mode now, no grumblings of room attitude issues, JT said "its fun to come to the rink again," Beauvillier out pacing Bo at less than half the money (for next year) That Bo contract will not age well, when he is 33 getting 40 points and being a +3 on the year how will 8.5 look ? plus we flipped the first for a sure fire top 2 d man... 1. Bos game doesn't live and die by point production. He's a leader and one of the best faceoff men in the league. If not the best. 2. About as good as millers I guess... 3. I live next to Detroit and got to see hronek play a lot. He's good but he's not what you think he is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ray_Cathode Posted March 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2023 I know it’s cherry picking to carve off game segments to evaluate performance, but how else do you detect trends? Raty has 2 goals 5 assists in his last seven games, while playing strong D. Hat is an encouraging sign? Or just a statistical anomaly? Viewing those games argues that is just a consequence of increasing confidence as he asserts himself over the games he plays. Hopefully that is the explanation. Actually watching the games, not just the stats argues for that. Maybe this guy is our emerging 3C in Vancouver - he is responsible defensively. I really appreciate the coaching and development on this Abby team. It has really turned into a great place for players to develop, and that is something to sell to college free agents., 4 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 3:22 PM, Neutral said: I agree Bo got over paid, glad it wasn't us. We coul have used him but for around 7m at most imo. The key thing people are forgetting to mention when comparing stats is NYI are winning quite a bit since Bo arrived AND Barzal has been injured for most of that time. Take Pettersson away from Vancouver's lineup and do you honestly think Beau's stats are as good as they are?!? Chances are they would be lower without a healthy Petey I have always thought Horvat is a very good player say GP 75 - G 26-30 --PTS 60-65 PTS-- WORTH 6.9--7.4 million X 8 yrs Horvát was on a pace for 60 G-- 96 PTS at one point.... He is not a 70 point guy. His pace is more normal now. 2022-23 Van. - GP 49 - G 31 - PTS 54 -- One time thing. 2022-23 NYI - Gp 19- G 5 - PTS 9 ---36 point pace now playing under pace he should be at -- ( 60--65 point guy ) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, wildcam said: I have always thought Horvat is a very good player say GP 75 - G 26-30 --PTS 60-65 PTS-- WORTH 6.9--7.4 million X 8 yrs Horvát was on a pace for 60 G-- 96 PTS at one point.... He is not a 70 point guy. His pace is more normal now. 2022-23 Van. - GP 49 - G 31 - PTS 54 -- One time thing. 2022-23 NYI - Gp 19- G 5 - PTS 9 ---36 point pace now playing under pace he should be at -- ( 60--65 point guy ) BoHo wanted the big contract. He got what he wanted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canucklehead44 Posted March 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2023 14 hours ago, Alflives said: BoHo wanted the big contract. He got what he wanted. Even after BoHo’s huge season and Brock’s two year drop, Boeser still has a career average of 7% higher. For all the screaming about signing Miller he now has 3 more points over Horvat this year. Horvat was shooting 22%, which is an absurd stat. On the isles he is shooting 8.9% Horvat is a good player, nice guy, plays hard but in my mind was horribly overrated. Not physical, bad defensively, doesn’t make his line mates better. Amazing 2nd line center but nothing more than that. 6.5 million is about the most I would pay for Horvat. I think JT Miller is a better player. Maybe less consistent but he feels like much more of a difference maker when he is on his game. He plays a lot more physical and also is a better playmaker. 3 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: Even after BoHo’s huge season and Brock’s two year drop, Boeser still has a career average of 7% higher. For all the screaming about signing Miller he now has 3 more points over Horvat this year. Horvat was shooting 22%, which is an absurd stat. On the isles he is shooting 8.9% Horvat is a good player, nice guy, plays hard but in my mind was horribly overrated. Not physical, bad defensively, doesn’t make his line mates better. Amazing 2nd line center but nothing more than that. 6.5 million is about the most I would pay for Horvat. I think JT Miller is a better player. Maybe less consistent but he feels like much more of a difference maker when he is on his game. He plays a lot more physical and also is a better playmaker. Bo also is playing without any elite playmakers right now in my opinion. He had Petey, JT feeding him on the PP and just playing minutes with these guys. It kinda makes sense that with no Brazal hes having a tougher time scoring. But overall looks like the evaluation could be correct by our management team in the end. I was in the camp trading Miller and signing Bo in the summer sub 7.5 but I am comfortable admitting I may have been very wrong, We will see! It is tough to evaluate though like even the difference in AB production per team is immense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, R3aL said: Bo also is playing without any elite playmakers right now in my opinion. He had Petey, JT feeding him on the PP and just playing minutes with these guys. It kinda makes sense that with no Brazal hes having a tougher time scoring. But overa who will looks like the evaluation could be correct by our management team in the end. I was in the camp trading Miller and signing Bo in the summer sub 7.5 but I am comfortable admitting I may have been very wrong, We will see! It is tough to evaluate though like even the difference in AB production per team is immense. AB turns out to be an astute selection. I asked when I first heard the trade announced I naivelt thought whois this kid? This where I think many fans some what like I do know lots about the Vcr roster butnot a lot beyond that, which is why some saying they think Burroughs and others on the eddge of our skills rosteer are OK, I think is there better out there that I'm unaware of/ IMO the Pro scouts have such a bd name I simply don't have a lot of faith in them. however AB was a feather in their hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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