Guest Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Translation: Linden was the one that brought Benning is so he is partially culpable in his own demise. Amazing there are still Benning nut huggers. An average player that was a journeyman type of career as a Canuck that stuck a shiv in Linden's back while having an average at best performance as the GM of the Canucks after 7 years. I rank that up there with how Keenan treated Linden. The issue is Aquaman, not Benning. Benning was doing whatever he was told from up top. Once Linden left, his boss became Aquaman as we didn't want to hire a President of Hockey Operations like 95% of the league had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: The issue is Aquaman, not Benning. Benning was doing whatever he was told from up top. Once Linden left, his boss became Aquaman as we didn't want to hire a President of Hockey Operations like 95% of the league had. So Benning has no balls and is totally spineless. Great person to have being the GM of an organization. Why not just hire a trained monkey if they're just going to be following orders? Be far cheaper so the owner can buy his son that $40,000 computer. Edited June 14, 2023 by NewbieCanuckFan 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: So Benning has no balls and is totally spineless. Great person to have being the GM of an organization. Why not just hire a trained monkey if they're just going to be following orders? Be far cheaper so the owner can buy his son that $40,000 computer. What a stupid thing to say how about you show your boss this attitude and see where it gets you oops forgot your in your mom n dads basement Edited June 14, 2023 by CanuckleHorse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, CanuckleHorse said: What a stupid thing to say how about you show your boss this attitude and see where it gets you oops forgot your in your mom n dads basement Nope I told you I"m in protective custody in a Federal prison. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: So Benning has no balls and is totally spineless. Great person to have being the GM of an organization. Why not just hire a trained monkey if they're just going to be following orders? Be far cheaper so the owner can buy his son that $40,000 computer. Benning got hired to serve under Linden and then Linden had the rug pulled out from under him by the owner. You can hate Benning's moves that he made, but blaming him for the entire direction of the team is foolish. Which GM in the history of Aquaman's ownership did the slow and extended rebuild? Has there ever been one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Odd. said: Benning singlehandedly set us back 6 years. No he didn't, direction is also on ownership, blaming Benning entirely is giving FA too much of a cop out in this. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Odd. said: Benning singlehandedly set us back 6 years. His only good moves were bringing in JT, extending Dem and drafting QH and Petey. Basically 10% good work. 90% garbage moves. Edited June 14, 2023 by grandmaster 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Salacious Crumb Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Maybe we could start a supporters group for the fans that are still obsessed over day old bread? Do y’all know who the Flagellants were? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuckLuck19 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, CanuckleHorse said: What a stupid thing to say how about you show your boss this attitude and see where it gets you oops forgot your in your mom n dads basement Yes you can't be rude to your boss. But this also isn't a situation where your boss "knows the business". You hire the GM to run the hockey business. If he isn't confident enough to stand up to bad ideas about the organization, he shouldn't take the job. And you can stand up and disagree diplomatically. Basically what you're saying is its better being a 'yes man' too keep your paycheck vs being a leader and doing the job you're hired for. Yes men are cowards dude. Edited June 14, 2023 by NuckLuck19 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: No he didn't, direction is also on ownership, blaming Benning entirely is giving FA too much of a cop out in this. Ownership isn’t the one making trades. Benning goes to the owner about a trade, all he has to do is sell it to Aquaman and it’s a done deal. FA has blame for sure. But us being where we are today is mostly Benning. That OEL trade set us back 6 years that’s what I’m referring to. There is absolutely no way we can afford to re sign Petey, Hronek, our RFA’s, while also signing players to key roster spots, while OEL is taking is up 7.2M. OEL needs to be bought out next year if we have any chance at salvaging our core’s future. Edited June 14, 2023 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, awalk said: The key part of that interview is when he says they tried to play both sides too much, aka re-tooling on the fly. It doesn't work, you just end up confused and in the mushy middle. Have to lean into being bad when the team is bad. Don't know why ownership never accepts it. You get, I get it, lot of fans get it, some of the media gets it.. If only ownership would get it, being shortsighted and impatient doesn't work for this franchise. Ten years of falling at the draft, mostly not making the playoffs, and largely being unable to draft and develop players not picked in the first round. 1 1 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Linden leaving was a crossroads that failed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, NuckLuck19 said: Yes you can't be rude to your boss. But this also isn't a situation where your boss "knows the business". You hire the GM to run the hockey business. If he isn't confident enough to stand up to bad ideas about the organization, he shouldn't take the job. And you can stand up and disagree diplomatically. Basically what you're saying is its better being a 'yes man' too keep your paycheck vs being a leader and doing the job you're hired for. Yes men are cowards dude. Who said anything about being a yes man what he’s trying to say is he would let his boss know it’s his way or the highway and nobody is going to talk to their boss like that I work with some of the biggest brown nosers in this world it’s disgusting so no you would never see me kiss the bosses @$$! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Benning 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DownUndaCanuck Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 Imagine if we had started a rebuild once Trevor was in. In 2014-2015 we were still decent, around the top of the division, the Sedins were just under a PPG. The next season was the big drop off, down to 2nd last in the division, and the year after that, dead last. That was the year Bo lead us in scoring with 52 points and the Sedins were finally done. We should have started a full-blown rebuild in 2015 to be honest. Eriksson was the worst move we could have made back then, made absolutely no sense. We did sell a lot of our good players to be fair but really could have sold a lot more. There were a lot of odd moves (like for guys like Vanek, Vbrata etc.) to try and keep us relevant but we really should have just been selling everyone. We could have traded the Sedins but I respect keeping them and letting them retire, but everyone not named Sedin or a former 1st round pick should have been sold for picks or prospects. Instead we had a lot of journeymen on the team in a weird, desperate attempt to stay relevant but we were still at the bottom of the division. A perfect time for a solid healthy tank and we didn't even really do well at that. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, grandmaster said: His only good moves were bringing in JT, extending Dem and drafting QH and Petey. Basically 10% good work. 90% garbage moves. That's most gm's in the league though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Odd. said: Ownership isn’t the one making trades. Benning goes to the owner about a trade, all he has to do is sell it to Aquaman and it’s a done deal. FA has blame for sure. But us being where we are today is mostly Benning. That OEL trade set us back 6 years that’s what I’m referring to. There is absolutely no way we can afford to re sign Petey, Hronek, our RFA’s, while also signing players to key roster spots, while OEL is taking is up 7.2M. OEL needs to be bought out next year if we have any chance at salvaging our core’s future. Ownership sets the direction, it is ownerships money and approval for anything coming in as well. So no it is not solely on JB, FA played just as much a part in it as Benning did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, MikeyD said: That's most gm's in the league though lol. Most GM's don't get 7+ years at the job without a Cup victory or consistant success during the regular season/post-season. Edited June 14, 2023 by NewbieCanuckFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 hours ago, BarnBurner said: From what I understand, FA only took control in 2012. Coincidence? what you understand is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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