ilduce39 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Maybe at the end of his tenure he felt like that but as president they walked that path as well. Who knows, maybe loyalty to the Sedins pays off long term as they stay involved with the club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Most GM's don't get 7+ years at the job without a Cup victory or consistant success during the regular season/post-season. That's also the reason why Benning did half the moves he did. Constantly trying to save his job at the expense of the team. Not to mention the circulation of the old boys club, majority of the gm's in the league operate like complete idiots and then you get one like Kelly McCrimmon who isn't afraid to actually try to improve his team and look where he ended up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, tas said: what you understand is wrong. No, it's not wrong. The family bought the team in 2004, but it wasn't until 2012 that FA was running the team. Look it up Einstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 2 hours ago, BarnBurner said: No, it's not wrong. The family bought the team in 2004, but it wasn't until 2012 that FA was running the team. Look it up Einstein. who ran the team between 2006 when francesco gained 100% ownership and 2012? who was that running the press conferences firing nonis and hiring gillis way back in '08? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 11 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: The issue is Aquaman, not Benning. Benning was doing whatever he was told from up top. Once Linden left, his boss became Aquaman as we didn't want to hire a President of Hockey Operations like 95% of the league had. Not quite, it was reported that Benning effectively stabbed Linden in the back by arranging to roeort directly to Aquilini and cutting him out. It was a coup, not Linden fired and then Benning took over. Linden stepped down after being submarined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 2 hours ago, tas said: who ran the team between 2006 when francesco gained 100% ownership and 2012? who was that running the press conferences firing nonis and hiring gillis way back in '08? Hello? It wasn't FA. Look it up. The family screwed the guy who owns the Dallas Stars, then it wasn't until 2012 until FA somehow gained control of the team, and ever since then, it's been a shit show. Does that make any sense to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Provost said: Not quite, it was reported that Benning effectively stabbed Linden in the back by arranging to roeort directly to Aquilini and cutting him out. It was a coup, not Linden fired and then Benning took over. Linden stepped down after being submarined. There was a lot of unconfirmed reports everywhere. Btw did anyone actually listen to Linden here? I heard the quote again when I listened to it the second time and really didn't think much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Linden sealed his own fate by taking a job in the first place. Unlike a lot of ex-players he didn't take a front office job and work his way up. He got the job to effectively be a PR shield for this ownership and deflect any criticism from the direction of this franchise. Everyone knew we had to rebuild, but ownership still wanted to milk the last of the Sedin years. In return Linden jumped the line into a role that he probably doesn't get with any another NHL team. Benning had years of experience as a front office executive. He was also in the right place at the right time and won a ring as an assistant GM. Linden made it really easy for ownership to cut him out when he wasn't receptive to short-circuit the rebuild, after all what credibility did he have to be in that job to begin with. I do give him some credit for standing up and trying to do the right thing at the end. Its something that cannot be said for Benning who was a brown-noser until the day he got fired, it did get him 8 years so it probably was a wise career choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, BarnBurner said: Hello? It wasn't FA. Look it up. The family screwed the guy who owns the Dallas Stars, then it wasn't until 2012 until FA somehow gained control of the team, and ever since then, it's been a shit show. Does that make any sense to you? as a deluded fantasy perhaps. the legal battle with gagliardi was over in '09, but francesco was very clearly running the team all throughout. who else would have been? gagliardi has owned and operated the dallas stars since 2011. surely you remember the drama of gillis's hiring, and nonis getting the axe for refusing to trade the farm for brad richards? Edited June 15, 2023 by tas 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Toews said: Linden sealed his own fate by taking a job in the first place. Unlike a lot of ex-players he didn't take a front office job and work his way up. He got the job to effectively be a PR shield for this ownership and deflect any criticism from the direction of this franchise. Everyone knew we had to rebuild, but ownership still wanted to milk the last of the Sedin years. In return Linden jumped the line into a role that he probably doesn't get with any another NHL team. Benning had years of experience as a front office executive. He was also in the right place at the right time and won a ring as an assistant GM. Linden made it really easy for ownership to cut him out when he wasn't receptive to short-circuit the rebuild, after all what credibility did he have to be in that job to begin with. I do give him some credit for standing up and trying to do the right thing at the end. Its something that cannot be said for Benning who was a brown-noser until the day he got fired, it did get him 8 years so it probably was a wise career choice. Some fair enough points but I would point out that Linden spent years with the NHLPA as director and President for 8 years. He knew the business side of hockey. He had been away running his own businesses for 6 years before coming back as Canucks President of hockey ops. It was Linden who hired Benning as GM. Benning had years of experience. IMHO Linden was an excellent hire and should have been allowed to set the franchise direction. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Some fair enough points but I would point out that Linden spent years with the NHLPA as director and President for 8 years. He knew the business side of hockey. He had been away running his own businesses for 6 years before coming back as Canucks President of hockey ops. It was Linden who hired Benning as GM. Benning had years of experience. IMHO Linden was an excellent hire and should have been allowed to set the franchise direction. Does our owner hire anyone and allow them to set the club’s direction? He gave Benning 8 years because the guy was a yes man. As a crazy Canuck fan I (of course) want us to win so pull for the best result from any trades, signings, and hockey moves. But it’s also clear our owner sets a course and whether it’s the best path or not he expects his management to follow that direction or he replaces them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: Some fair enough points but I would point out that Linden spent years with the NHLPA as director and President for 8 years. He knew the business side of hockey. He had been away running his own businesses for 6 years before coming back as Canucks President of hockey ops. It was Linden who hired Benning as GM. Benning had years of experience. IMHO Linden was an excellent hire and should have been allowed to set the franchise direction. But not as a GM. I liken it to comparing the stats of Ryan Miller & Eddie Lack when they were our goalie tandem. On a surface look, it would appear Lack's numbers were better than Miller (especially considering Lack didn't have the scheduling that a normal backup would have - eg., he didn't get the 'softies' in the schedule). Difference is (imho) there's a different mindset/pressure being "the starter" vs a "backup". Course, maybe I'm reading too much into that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) On 6/14/2023 at 9:10 AM, 24K PureCool said: Rumour is Francisco wants to win a cup asap before his dad ultimately kicks the bucket within the decade or so. So selfish, but honestly, the aquas are just the puppets. Edited June 15, 2023 by EddieVedder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 On 6/14/2023 at 9:56 AM, NewbieCanuckFan said: Nope I told you I"m in protective custody in a Federal prison. Good God. You're not the Q-Shaman are you???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 18 hours ago, MikeyD said: That's also the reason why Benning did half the moves he did. Constantly trying to save his job at the expense of the team. Not to mention the circulation of the old boys club, majority of the gm's in the league operate like complete idiots and then you get one like Kelly McCrimmon who isn't afraid to actually try to improve his team and look where he ended up. The problem with Benning is he never actually fixed weaknesses in the team with the draft. He kept signing UFA's and making the cap situation worse. Instead of trying to build through the draft to build a proper hull. He kept using flex seal and pumps to keep the ship afloat. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Good God. You're not the Q-Shaman are you???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 7 hours ago, tas said: as a deluded fantasy perhaps. the legal battle with gagliardi was over in '09, but francesco was very clearly running the team all throughout. who else would have been? gagliardi has owned and operated the dallas stars since 2011. surely you remember the drama of gillis's hiring, and nonis getting the axe for refusing to trade the farm for brad richards? That last sentence , if true, really shook me. If Richards came here, we would have seen Ron McLean sniffing around these parts 24/7. Rotten Ron has such a huge man crush on Richards back then. Cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, PistolPete13 said: That last sentence , if true, really shook me. If Richards came here, we would have seen Ron McLean sniffing around these parts 24/7. Rotten Ron has such a huge man crush on Richards back then. Cringe. trade would have involved a combination of schneider/kesler/edler/bourdon/raymond/1st round pick. not all those pieces, but most of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-Hearted Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Alflives said: Does our owner hire anyone and allow them to set the club’s direction? He gave Benning 8 years because the guy was a yes man. As a crazy Canuck fan I (of course) want us to win so pull for the best result from any trades, signings, and hockey moves. But it’s also clear our owner sets a course and whether it’s the best path or not he expects his management to follow that direction or he replaces them. It's why Francesco is the worst owner in sports(Daddy Luigi is actually the owner)and one of the worst in business practices. He's a bullying and controlling narcissist. The more legal troubles he faces, the far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 6/14/2023 at 7:01 PM, canuck73_3 said: No he didn't, direction is also on ownership, blaming Benning entirely is giving FA too much of a cop out in this. So you agree that Benning was spineless then. And is the reason the Canucks lost 6 years. The GM is supposed to take control of the team. If he lets the owner interfer he is spineless and to weak to be a GM. If Benning didn’t have any owner interfer it’s all on Benning. Both situations the GM is the fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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