canuckledraggin Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 cuz fantasy sports. People are looking at the salary cap as though they are the ones paying the salary. You're not. This team is going to be good in a few years and the depth players that allow the coach to roll 4 lines are the reason why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I have no hate for him, just not enough love to justify having him on this roster over other guys. We have a logjam, and some guys need to get crossed off the list. Gagner just makes the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: He is wildly inconsistent. He disappears for long stretches. He reminds me of Chris Higgins. But at least with Higgy we had memories of when he first joined the club and was good. No such memories of Gagner. Yes he put up 10 goals and 31 points. Can you remember anyone of them? Did any of them make a difference? I literally have no memory of him playing for us yet you say he played 73 games. He's like the plant in the corner of your house. Does nothing but he's physically there. The plant in the corner sucks up carbon dioxide. That was harsh... for the plant to be compared to Gags. lol just joking. I think Gagner can be a useful player for us. We don't really have a 2nd line center and it sounds like it will be somewhat of a revolving door. Sutter will be tried, I'm sure EP will be given a chance at some point, and maybe Gagner could get a chance as well. I personally think that if we are going to give EP sheltered minutes, perhaps Gagner-EP could be a pair? Gagner is pretty good in the offensive zone and I think he can make plays with EP. Horvat, Sutter, and Beagle can eat up a lot of minutes on the defensive side of things. Maybe something like this? Baer-Horvat-Boeser Goldobin-Gagner-EP Schaller-Sutter-Eriksson Virtanen-Beagle-Roussel Granlund Gaunce/Leipsic That 2nd line will be heavily sheltered with EP getting #1PP time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 There is no hate. He is holding down a spot for one of the up and coming kids. When one of them pushes him out then he must go. He is not suitable for a bottom six role. If he can't be moved down then he must be moved out. Simple! He has a job until Lind , Pettersson, Palmu , Dahlen or someone else is ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 He's solid depth. Don't forget, we didn't have much behind the Twins and Bo and Brock last season, to the extent that among forwards he's 5th in scoring last season behind those same 4 guys (8th in pace, behind Sven, Loui, Dorsett and Sutter also). On the PP we needed someone on the right half wall who's right-handed and creative since Boeser was going to patrol the blue line, and also a warm body to hold a spot while the kids develop. He checks all those boxes. Perfectly fine with him in the lineup as a bottom-6 guy (top 6 in a pinch), and with the likes of Leipsic, Roussel, Virtanen etc. he can help them with play-making while they score and help defensively. Win-win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, HKSR said: Just out of curiosity, why is there so much negativity around Gagner? I'm not sure what you expect from a player with a $3.15M cap hit. He put up 10 goals and 31 points in 73 games last season. For players making between 3M and 3.5M, he was 3rd, trailing only Josh Bailey and Charlie Coyle. If he was making $4M+, then yes, I can understand... but for $3.15M, I'm not sure you can expect much more than 25 to 30 points per season... If the expectations of our fans are not met they will quickly turn said player into a whipping boy. Expectations were that Gagner would get at least the 50 points he had in the previous season with Columbus and ignored the fact that he had cleared waivers the season prior to playing with Columbus. Expectations should have been somewhere between the player that cleared waivers and the player that had a 50 point season.......say, maybe around 31 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdgraham Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, Solinar said: I don't really get the hate that Gagner gets. He's what he is, a soft, somewhat durable scoring forward. Doesn't pk, doesn't provide energy, but will reliably put up 30+ pts a year. What he does provide is someone for the kids to look at and overcome. He's the guy in their way, and when you don't want your kids to be one dimensionally soft players, he's an excellent person to point to when a prospect gets complacent on where he's going. He works hard, he tries, but he hit is ceiling, and other than one 9 pt game....hit the ceiling hard and crashed. *8 point game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: He is wildly inconsistent. He disappears for long stretches. He reminds me of Chris Higgins. But at least with Higgy we had memories of when he first joined the club and was good. No such memories of Gagner. Yes he put up 10 goals and 31 points. Can you remember anyone of them? Did any of them make a difference? I literally have no memory of him playing for us yet you say he played 73 games. He's like the plant in the corner of your house. Does nothing but he's physically there. i remember him playing well with vanek and brock they certainly scored a lot of points in 1 game and think they had a good 3 game stretch if i recall correctly he also played well with the sedins at the end of the season seems like if he is on a line with skilled players he is able to elevate his play ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: He's like the plant in the corner of your house. Does nothing but he's physically there. For maximum photosynthesis performance, you can talk to yer green buds..'Ain't that right, Leafy Lolita?!' Last summer I argued we give a letter(for Gags)..an R. Well..takin' that back, & givin him an M! GagMe. Good guy..but indeed the aforementioned vanilla ice cream. Personally think it's all a 9 million buck payout to say thanks(his family) for the Tanev recommendation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I don't hate Gags, but if people keep bringing up Higgins as a comparable I sure will. The only similarity between the two is that they are/were expected to play over their heads due to lack of team depth. Higgins was a top notch 3rd line winger, who was constantly utilized on the second line, where he was a bubble player. Gags was most effectively utilized in Columbus, where he played the PP and low minutes on the 4th line. In Vancouver he was all over the place and playing too many minutes. Gags is a PP specialist who can play some C, but is better off on wing. He plays in sheltered situations and has very little defensive awareness. He would be considered a 'small' player. He is the most likely of the vets to be moved for incoming prospects. Higgins had good offensive and defensive skills. He was a tough player who was a puck hound, worked the boards, rarely had the puck taken from him and was not easy to play against. He was a very hard working guy who was built like a brick s*** house. When he retired from the game, I remember hims saying that in the last couple of years he had lost his passion for hockey. It's no wonder why he dropped off so quickly. Rant over. The fans that get on Gags case are annoyed that he may be blocking an nhl ready prospect. With Pettersson and Hughes potentially making the team, it's hard to justify Gags as the PP guy anymore. I guess we'll all see how it plays out in the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, HKSR said: Just out of curiosity, why is there so much negativity around Gagner? I'm not sure what you expect from a player with a $3.15M cap hit. He put up 10 goals and 31 points in 73 games last season. For players making between 3M and 3.5M, he was 3rd, trailing only Josh Bailey and Charlie Coyle. If he was making $4M+, then yes, I can understand... but for $3.15M, I'm not sure you can expect much more than 25 to 30 points per season... Gagner isn't really going to make much difference one way or the other. Its the perfect foil for a CDC meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laddie Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I think he has done exactly what was asked of him. However I do see his particular skill set becoming redundant later in the year as young talent from Utica pushes to assume that role. I could see management then attempt to move him at the deadline and open up playing time for one of the younger talent who has earned it. Hopefully when that does occur we can obtain a draft pick in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, aGENT said: He's a veteran F who the coach can play occupy all three positions, up and down the lineup, who is great in the room, trains hard and offers injury insulation. Quote That's a versatile (if middling) player. That's also not so easily replaced even if his level of play is. And like you said, he also acts as a 'minimum threshold' measurement tool. He's certainly nothing to get excited about but he serves a function and doesn't deserve half the ire he receives for doing so. a.k.a. placeholder His time will be up shortly. Won't be bought out but might face some salary retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Inconsistency. Wound up playing a swiss army role last year - which was not ideal, but necessary under the M.A.S.H. conditions. Took a lot of the brunt last year - which I think is one of the reasons you have veteran placeholders in those circumstances. One thing you can say about him is that the work and ethic was there, even if he looked overmatched at times. I don't have any hate for Gagner - he's just a lot more expendable with the influx of a shutdown center, and another couple legit bottom six guys, another of whom is also a natural center, something we needed more than Gagner. Could have a better season this year with those guys carrying the firewood - but personally, I'd probably move him if there are reasonable signs that a half dozen of our prospects will be NHL ready next year, which I think there's a good chance of. Whatever happens with Gagner though, I don't really see it as that consequential, so can't be bothered to invest 'hate' in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Don't forget that Gagner played a lot with the twins last year. Higgins never had that pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Soft as butter. Disappears for quarters, even halves of seasons. Was a disappointing signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooks Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Reasons for hate: -Takes a roster spot from a more skilled younger player and was overused with better linemates. -Given 1st unit PP time over Boeser or other youngsters in 2017-2018. Often used MORE than 1:30 on a PP when the rest of his unit changed. -Weak defensively and takes shifts off. Is a career -100+ player -Soft as butter and hasn't laid a decent hit in his entire career. No pushback. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nooks said: Reasons for hate: -Takes a roster spot from a more skilled younger player and was overused with better linemates. -Given 1st unit PP time over Boeser or other youngsters in 2017-2018. Often used MORE than 1:30 on a PP when the rest of his unit changed. -Weak defensively and takes shifts off. Is a career -100+ player -Soft as butter and hasn't laid a decent hit in his entire career. No pushback. Just my opinion. ? Opinions are fine but what about your 'facts'? Boeser lead the team in powerplay ice time at 2:55 per game. Gagner was 7th among forwards. ie he was a backup for the 2nd unit that got that time primarily when Boeser, Baertschi, Vanek were injured.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 If Goldy could step up into that roll "he would be there", If you think Sam is average at defense then game in and game out just watch how Goldy is not that good on defense, this is why he hasn't "taken" that spot.You have to earn your spot,and more competition the more skill and work ethic you need to take that place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Actually seen very little hate for Gagner on CDC....however, for Gange, Gagne, Gamge and Ganger I have seen a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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