coastal.view Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: *With term on a relatively inexpensive contract no less for me that is what moves this trade from a good one to a great one 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Maddogy said: - I am philosophically against the Miller trade because the core players are still too young to lead this team - I thought the Miller trade was somewhat of an over payment considering the situation Tampa was in, but this is difficult to judge as I did not know how many teams for vying for Miller at the time - It is too early to call this season off, if other teams can have an amazing win streak to come back from the dead, this team can as well Arizona overpaid for Hall. Miller is younger, more physical, can play centre, can kill penalties and is locked into a decent contract. Hall is injury prone and in certain aspects one-dimensional. Worst of all Hall is merely a rental at this point. Shouldn't that make you for the Miller trade... since Miller can shoulder some of the leadership responsibilities that the young core is not ready for? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WHL rocks Posted December 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Arizona pays 1 1st round pick, 3 prospects, and either a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick for: Canucks paid a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick, and a nobody prospect for: I guess JB did a very good job. Miller has 4 years @ 5.25 mill and he's 26 yrs old, in his prime. Hall is 28 Nd UFA at end of season.. IF he signs he'll get 9 mill per year 8 years.. It'll be an albatross contract for last 3 years... Miller trade has been great for Canucks. Great value great player. Can't ask for anything better.. 2 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Down by the River said: Shouldn't that make you for the Miller trade... since Miller can shoulder some of the leadership responsibilities that the young core is not ready for? You have a good point. However, what I meant is that the core should not be regarded as complete. More pieces need to be added. While I philosophically wish the team to tank and get 1st overall picks every year, I appreciate J.B.'s perspective that once a losing culture and bad habits set in, they may ruin the core players. While I disagreed with J.B. on many occasions, I find myself defending him in this forum because his critics are too harsh and they believe in magic and unicorns. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcheeze86 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Hall going to zona is not good for us if he bolsters there scoring more and fits in well thats just another team in the west that got better rental or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Miller has 4 years @ 5.25 mill and he's 26 yrs old, in his prime. Hall is 28 Nd UFA at end of season.. IF he signs he'll get 9 mill per year 8 years.. It'll be an albatross contract for last 3 years... Miller trade has been great for Canucks. Great value great player. Can't ask for anything better.. Arizona made this trade relatively earlier in this season, this gives Hall more time to learn the system and build chemistry with line mates. Hall has no more excuses now. This is his contract year and he must perform. The pressure is now on him. Watch out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Maddogy said: My biases: - I am philosophically against the Miller trade because the core players are still too young to lead this team - I thought the Miller trade was somewhat of an over payment considering the situation Tampa was in, but this is difficult to judge as I did not know how many teams for vying for Miller at the time - It is too early to call this season off, if other teams can have an amazing win streak to come back from the dead, this team can as well My opinion: Arizona overpaid for Hall. Miller is younger, more physical, can play centre, can kill penalties and is locked into a decent contract. Hall is injury prone and in certain aspects one-dimensional. Worst of all Hall is merely a rental at this point. The Hall trade makes the Miller trade look great. Miller is only two years older than Horvat. The Canucks gave up that first but it will slide to next season if they miss the playoffs. Thats a long time for TB to wait for their returns on the trade. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Maddogy said: You have a good point. However, what I meant is that the core should not be regarded as complete. More pieces need to be added. While I philosophically wish the team to tank and get 1st overall picks every year, I appreciate J.B.'s perspective that once a losing culture and bad habits set in, they may ruin the core players. While I disagreed with J.B. on many occasions, I find myself defending him in this forum because his critics are too harsh and they believe in magic and unicorns. maybe miller is a core piece who will make the core more complete??? i think that is in fact the case 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 another point why is everyone concerned about arizona getting better by this trade ? i doubt it is a franchise changing move, just a talented piece for them will arizona pass us in the standings? um no, they are already ahead of us will nucks likely get past the 1st round if they make the playoffs? we can always hope and dream, but this year is a success if they make the playoffs and the young talent gets exposed to playoff hockey i'd be more concerned if a team just ahead of us or just behind us in the standings made a biggish move yotes improving when they are above us in the standings does little to canucks chances of making the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MystifyNCrucify Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Thats a huge return for a ufa that likely wont resign. Way to go all in with a pair of tens there chayka chatka choochoo whatever, bettmans lapdog is who is pretending to run the leagues money sink team. Good thing is, there are no coyote fans to dig their jowls into this little franchise dooming blunder. *didnt they play this card already by paying to get Kessel? Edited December 16, 2019 by MystifyNCrucify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Arizona plays a tight system that doesn’t pad a players stats. Is Hall ready for a defence first role or is something going to change in the way Tocchet has the team play? Phil Kessel is having his worst season ever. Maybe more fans will come out , but I don’t think it’s going to matter much for team success. New Jersey really wanted Bahl, that’s a big kid on left D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Not too bad a deal for both sides.. Basically NJD got Bahl = ARZ's 4th or 5th best prospect 1st = this pick is top 3 lottery protected. 3rd Similar to what JB paid for Miller but Bahl is better prospect..he'll likely be an NHLer , perhaps 3rd pair D in 5 years.. If Hall re signs in ARZ Bahl 1st 2nd If Hall re signs and ARZ win a round of playoffs Bahl 1st 1st Merkley and Schnarr are AHLers. Likely be bubble players get the odd call up when fully developed. Shero better hope Hall re signs with and ARZ win a round in playoffs so he can cash in that conditional 1st.. otherwise this isn't a huge return for Hall.. Edited December 16, 2019 by WHL rocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, WHL rocks said: ARZ has been the front runner all week to land Hall.. They were haggling over Kevin Bahl. Big 6'6 230lbs Dman . ARZ 2nd round pick in 2018 playing in CHL OTT right now... ARZ already a good team just got better. Hall will play well, he wants to play in playoffs and he's UFA end of season. Lots of motivation for him to perform.. Wow.. almost didn't believe you.. that's a big body gentlemen. 19 years old 6"6 230 ibs How big will he fill out to ? I guess he is like our Nikita Tryamkin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: two potential 1sts for Hall? if Arizona had fans they might be upset at that price. I can't understand who would want Hall who is horrible this year 6 goals 25 points? Arizona is crazy, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Not too bad a deal for both sides.. Basically NJD got Bahl NJD 4th or 5th best prospect 1st 3rd If Hall re signs 8n ARZ Bahl 1st 2nd If Hall re signs and ARZ win a round of playoffs Bahl 1st 1st Merkley and Schnarr are AHLers. Likely be bubble players get the odd call up when fully developed. that last scenario is a big overpayment imo. AZ is also currently at almost 76 mil for cap space for next year.... they are going to have to move someone and not be able to improve in any other area. Hall needs to be an 90+ pt player to make this worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Well Canucks can kiss their playoff chances goodbye now. Vegas, San Jose finding their stride again, Yotes solidifying strong team, Edmonton hanging to dear life onto McDavid and Draisaitl, Flames finding their legs as well. LOL, I guess a 1 game winning streak means hitting your stride. Then, all the Canucks needs to do is win their nexct game and they'll be hitting their stride also. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Why would he do that? My thoughts exactly. Did not see him going to Arizona. Maybe he walks in the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Hall + for Matthews at the deadline? Edited December 16, 2019 by hlinkas wrister 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, Topcheeze86 said: Hall going to zona is not good for us if he bolsters there scoring more and fits in well thats just another team in the west that got better rental or not I think it might be. I think this team still needs one more year of no playoffs to reap a high draft pick. They can get it this year and then next year have to make playoffs or it will be insanely embarrassing for Benning/beneficial for Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: that last scenario is a big overpayment imo. AZ is also currently at almost 76 mil for cap space for next year.... they are going to have to move someone and not be able to improve in any other area. Hall needs to be an 90+ pt player to make this worthwhile. I doubt both those conditions are met for the 3rd to turn into 1st.. ARZ won't mind at all if they can win a round and Hall re signs.. they'd love to bring in 2 rounds of playoff revenue plus re sign Hall. That'll be easily worth the additional 1st for them..icing on the cake.. ARZ plays a trap system. 90 Pts will be difficult on that team. PPG will be great if he can manage that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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