kingofsurrey Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: You realize this is just the beginning of our window right? And Miller is still young and a big part of that window... MIller had a fantastic career season this year. Turns 28 next season.. signed for 2 more years. The deal is really helping the Canucks right now for sure. I wonder who will be chosen with the pick. My fav 20th overall is probably Mardy Brodeur.... Like i said the deal was about winning now instead of winning later. I am not a fan of trading first round picks... unless it gets the club a cup. Time will tell. MIller for sure had an amazing year though to at least JB was right on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Until a GM wins multiple cups... he is just a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Until a GM wins multiple cups... he is just a GM. I'd say the difference between zero and one is pretty significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 1:16 PM, AriGold2.0 said: 8.25M for the 2nd best defenseman is NOT GOOD.. We can't afford him, it's too much term and too much money during covid cap. Yes he is a very good player now and would make our team better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 10:06 AM, Baggins said: I beg to differ... Playoff are based on points over a full schedule. Even point percentages are skewed due to loser points This just shows that the Canucks were lucky the games stopped when they did, one more loss and where would they have been? .557 and below Minnesota. Or if other teams had one less loss? This was a fluke year, 24 teams, seven teams eliminated from play some teams played the bottom teams an uneven amount. This year was a one off, next year they miss. On 10/4/2020 at 10:06 AM, Baggins said: On 10/3/2020 at 10:06 PM, Lazurus said: But even they admitted later that they had not told the fans the truth and that Tortorella was right, later they used the same words to say the same thing to a fanfare. The fan change in attitude mirrored the cahnge in the way the media portrayed those words, same as now, media leads and fans follow. No idea what you're babbling about there. How about a link to an article. Some actual quotes Don't YOU know how to use a computer? How about you find something that disputes my post? Something that is the opposite? Sorry for the spelling error, Fan reactions were led by media portrayal, media says bad, fans say bad, media says good, fans say good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Lazurus said: Playoff are based on points over a full schedule. Even point percentages are skewed due to loser points This just shows that the Canucks were lucky the games stopped when they did, one more loss and where would they have been? .557 and below Minnesota. As the season ended with some teams having played more games the Canucks we were in the 7th playoffs spot when it ended. There's no what if's there. It's simply the way it was in the standings. "What if" they went on a 5 game winning streak? See how easy that is. Reality versus fantasy. 12 hours ago, Lazurus said: Don't YOU know how to use a computer? How about you find something that disputes my post? Something that is the opposite? Sorry for the spelling error, Fan reactions were led by media portrayal, media says bad, fans say bad, media says good, fans say good. Not the way it works. You make claims, it's up to you to back it up with evidence. Otherwise it's just babble. Edited October 6, 2020 by Baggins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 9th points 7th points percentage The next 3 days, we'll see. Edited October 6, 2020 by Lazurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) On 10/4/2020 at 8:46 PM, Westcoasting said: Until a GM wins multiple cups... he is just a GM. Wouldn't say it's that extreme but how this 6-year tenure could be considered "great" is beyond me. I guess 50+ years of no Cup and not much success in general relatively speaking breeds low expectations. Edited October 6, 2020 by kanucks25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Hard to choose between two huge extremes. I'll go with great as we have certainly drafted well and have a better prospect pool & young players than I can recall. With that said there are some albatross contracts he's responsible for that haven't worked out and potentially jeopardize those prospects moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Overall I would say he is a good to very good GM considering how few years experience he has had at that position. Personally I would reserve the "great" title to those few GM's that can consistently keep their team in the mix for cup contention year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I would say benning has learned he got dealt a bad BAD hand as Mike Gillis was horrible so far he has done what he has said he would, just again a couple bad contracts besides that we have a team that in the next three years should be one of the best in the league he also drafts VERY well which this team needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 So I think he's a decent GM. He's good at some things (like drafting) and needs to learn when it comes to contracts. That being said, we haven't seen another Loui Eriksson deal done since that deal took place so I think he did learn from that. A good comparison might be Poile in Nashville. He's been the GM there since Nashville came into the league. Nashville wasn't a good team for the longest time, missing the playoffs in the first 5 seasons and not even making the 2nd round until their 12th season. However, Nashville's been a very good team since. You can't expect a GM to immediately be a good GM with no experience as head GM. Just look around the league at the inexperienced GMs that come and go. Look at the mess Chayka left in the desert. Look at the mess Gillis left behind on our own team. It's not an easy job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philtbc829 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Needed third choice like "Meh" or "He is OK...." He has had an equal amount of Frack ups as he has had wins....not great not terrible....just ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaramel MacKhiato Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I think his early mistakes are coming to haunt us now. Now we're losing out on valuable assets (Markstrom, Toffoli, Tanev) for absolutely nothing, simply because he signed bottom 6 forwards to expensive deals (Sutter, Baertschi, Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle). It'll be exciting to be a Canucks fan the next couple seasons with cap freeing up, but it hurts to lose guys that could push us into the Playoffs. Hate to say it, but with the loss of Markstrom, Toffoli, and Tanev (unless something drastic happens), we aren't making the playoffs next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Top Sven Baercheese said: I think his early mistakes are coming to haunt us now. Now we're losing out on valuable assets (Markstrom, Toffoli, Tanev) for absolutely nothing, simply because he signed bottom 6 forwards to expensive deals (Sutter, Baertschi, Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle). It'll be exciting to be a Canucks fan the next couple seasons with cap freeing up, but it hurts to lose guys that could push us into the Playoffs. Hate to say it, but with the loss of Markstrom, Toffoli, and Tanev (unless something drastic happens), we aren't making the playoffs next year. due to covid we have a flat cap, nobody and i mean all the gm's could not have foreseen this happening, Roussel, Beagle and Sutter helped us in the play offs this year, otherwise we probably would not have made it this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 2:08 PM, cripplereh said: I would say benning has learned he got dealt a bad BAD hand as Mike Gillis was horrible so far he has done what he has said he would, just again a couple bad contracts besides that we have a team that in the next three years should be one of the best in the league he also drafts VERY well which this team needed I agree, he is learning as he goes..to bad it is at the expense of our LIFE Span lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Top Sven Baercheese said: I think his early mistakes are coming to haunt us now. Now we're losing out on valuable assets (Markstrom, Toffoli, Tanev) for absolutely nothing, simply because he signed bottom 6 forwards to expensive deals (Sutter, Baertschi, Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle). It'll be exciting to be a Canucks fan the next couple seasons with cap freeing up, but it hurts to lose guys that could push us into the Playoffs. Hate to say it, but with the loss of Markstrom, Toffoli, and Tanev (unless something drastic happens), we aren't making the playoffs next year. Hard to blame Benning for Covid. Lol. I mean, how was he supposed to predict the cap wouldn't go up cause of a pandemic grabbing the world by the nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: Hard to blame Benning for Covid. Lol. I mean, how was he supposed to predict the cap wouldn't go up cause of a pandemic grabbing the world by the nuts? Nobody blames him for Covid, but contracts for Roussel, Beagle, Sutter and Eriksson are anchors. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, steviewonder20 said: Nobody blames him for Covid, but contracts for Roussel, Beagle, Sutter and Eriksson are anchors. They look worse cause of Covid. They'd be easier to move out if the cap went up like everyone expected it to. But now no one has cap, those that do are being especially careful not to spend it cause there's no telling when the Cap will actually go up again. The VGK can't convince anyone to take Flower at 50% retained for a 2nd round pick. They can't move a Cup champion at 50% retained. Why? Cause cap is that valuable right now. Benning signed those contracts thinking the cap would go up and if need be they can be moved to a team with some minor assets. There are analysts saying Benning has been talking other GMs ears off since the playoffs ended about moving out cap. They are only anchors cause Covid took a dump on the world and everyone is penny pinching their cap space cause it's more valuable than it's ever been. I truly believe if Covid did not happen we could have found a buyer for some of those contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on the cycle Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 He would have been much better with Lawrence Gilman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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