Coronavirus outbreak

[ilduce39]

10 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

One thing is clear, the mental gymnastics Trump supporters will resort to when defending the indefensible knows no bounds. 

I can't even get into it.  He's just so completely unfit for office it sounds hyperbolic when you start to make the argument... but it isn't. 

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

 

I  posted an idea a friend had to help combat covid, it was not well received.

In my defense neither my buddy or myself are the president of anything.

Thought was:

If alcohol kills the virus, why not vapourize  and inhale booze to help kill the virus?

I know people that vape vodka etc for recreation, and wondered if that would help or hurt.

Most thought it would hurt.

I see people are taking bathes with bleach added. Theory being that it will enter the body thru the skin. I had to put a carbon filter on our house water when we got town water as my wife couldn't handle the chlorine.  

[NewbieCanuckFan]

5 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I see people are taking bathes with bleach added. 

Boudrias, as usual, is late to the party.  Michael Jackson had that idea DECADES ago.

 

[RUPERTKBD]

Got a kick out of the story about the WH trying to tell CNN's Kaitlan Collins that she had to switch seats (from the front to the back) at the last press briefing. She told them to pound sand, as that authority apparently rests with the WH Correspondents Association.....

 

Seems like Trump's "total control" isn't quite as "total" as he and his enablers think.

[EdgarM]

11 hours ago, Qwags said:

How do you teach people to feel empathy? I genuinely do know.

 

35 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

Oddball is being generous.

 

Who politicized first? Not sure who else you are referencing, I am assuming the Dems? I don't know the answer but what I do know is 2 wrongs don't make a right. Whoever did politicize first doesn't give the other the go ahead to do it.

 

His "dangerousness" is hardly overrated. North America had the most time to act in response to covid. Trumps unwillingness to act has the USA atop the deaths and confrimed cases list... after having the most time to prepare. He put the economy ahead of peoples lives and it shows. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

 

16 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Exactly. We shouldn't even need to debate the stupidity of leaders based on layered politics.

 

Unfortunately you have to be educated enough to see through BS, not everyone can, and it's not even their fault really.

 

Obama was at least straight forward.

I don't know how anyone could not see right through this guy. His intentions are obvious and its seems pointless to argue otherwise. Can anyone really say he has done anything to help the American people before himself? Not possible. He is a business man who will continue to do things that will help him and his money. He can't even pretend to show any kind of empathy and his ego is so big that it sticks out like a sore thumb. 

I am not too keen on any politician ,as most of them are mostly there for themselves, and their own agenda,but there has been some that have surprised(Trudeau,Doug Ford etc.) and have actually shown true empathy to the people they were elected to serve.

If there is one thing that this pandemic is shown is peoples "true colors", their values, ethics and morals.

People are out there protesting, disobeying local social distancing rules etc. because they put themselves ahead of everyone else. Plain and simple. 

I care about Deb's father as much as I care about my own elderly family members and so I do my best to practice social distancing as much as physically possible. Not because of my own safety but because I care about my fellow human being no matter who they are. 

[Gawdzukes]

2 minutes ago, EdgarM said:

 

 

I don't know how anyone could not see right through this guy. His intentions are obvious and its seems pointless to argue otherwise. Can anyone really say he has done anything to help the American people before himself? Not possible. He is a business man who will continue to do things that will help him and his money. He can't even pretend to show any kind of empathy and his ego is so big that it sticks out like a sore thumb. 

I am not too keen on any politician ,as most of them are mostly there for themselves, and their own agenda,but there has been some that have surprised(Trudeau,Doug Ford etc.) and have actually shown true empathy to the people they were elected to serve.

If there is one thing that this pandemic is shown is peoples "true colors", their values, ethics and morals.

People are out there protesting, disobeying local social distancing rules etc. because they put themselves ahead of everyone else. Plain and simple. 

I care about Deb's father as much as I care about my own elderly family members and so I do my best to practice social distancing as much as physically possible. Not because of my own safety but because I care about my fellow human being no matter who they are. 

It seems that way yet we all keep listening to him. It's absurd. I can't stop either. 

[Curmudgeon]

38 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Obama was at least straight forward.

Understatement of the frickin' century. Do we all remember when Obama had an encounter with a porn star and got his lawyer to pay her hush money? Or when he boasted of trying to move on her like a bitch but couldn't get there? Or when he altered a US weather map to include his version of the truth? Or when he suggested somehow getting UV light inside the body, along with injections of disinfectants? Or when he when he cozied up to Putin and Kim Jong Un and Duterte and made Mexicans and Muslims evil? Or when he continuously told the public that China was paying huge tariffs when it was actually American consumers who were paying the bill? No, me neither.

[Kragar]

1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Should the words of a leader be taken seriously, or do we have to filter them, analyze them, or outright ignore them because we have no idea if the leader is being serious or not?   When Obama gave a briefing, did we have to wait and see if his words were sarcastic or not?  That's a big issue with TRUMP, you can't take him seriously.  And you don't need to spin them to make his words look bad.  He does that all on his own.

He does say goofy stuff often.  Yet the media twists his words anyhow. If he is bad enough all on his own, why do they lie about him so often, trying to make his words worse than they already are?

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Kragar said:

He does say goofy stuff often.  Yet the media twists his words anyhow. If he is bad enough all on his own, why do they lie about him so often, trying to make his words worse than they already are?

I think the real question is why does the president lie so often? thats far more important than some media slant. 

[Toews]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

If Trump was "spit balling" and "innovating", why did he come out and say he was being "sarcastic" afterward?

 

Sorry K, this is a pretty weak defense......pretty much Derek Pouliot level....

 

BTW: It's Harebrained....think "dumb bunny"....

His name is DERRICK! So much disrespect in one post, let us not forget, this is a kid with a family. His second cousin died by being struck by lightning, then three years later his best friend was electrocuted... right in the nads!!! After all this kid endured to make the NHL... Smh in disgust right now. 

[Gawdzukes]

 

[Kragar]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think the real question is why does the president lie so often? thats far more important than some media slant. 

Look at what he lies about.  Most of them are hyperbole which at best are only true in certain contexts (best this, most that, blah, blah, blah).  Those are stupid, but hardly worth getting in an uproar about.  Lies that matter, well, they are told by all of our leaders.  It isn't right, but it is what it is, and Trump is no phenomenon in that respect.

 

Media slant is extremely important.  The large majority of people do not take the time to listen to whole speeches or press conferences. They get soundbites fed to them, with biased analysis instead of all the facts.  This is journalism today, and it is dumbing down our society in a crucial manner.  This affects public opinion strongly, and the after effects of that are very important.

[Kragar]

2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

I hope you feel the same way when a Dem gets elected Prez & has control of the Senate.....then happens to get several lefties on the Supreme Court.

Already been through that.

[JM_]

7 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Look at what he lies about.  Most of them are hyperbole which at best are only true in certain contexts (best this, most that, blah, blah, blah).  Those are stupid, but hardly worth getting in an uproar about.  Lies that matter, well, they are told by all of our leaders.  It isn't right, but it is what it is, and Trump is no phenomenon in that respect.

 

Media slant is extremely important.  The large majority of people do not take the time to listen to whole speeches or press conferences. They get soundbites fed to them, with biased analysis instead of all the facts.  This is journalism today, and it is dumbing down our society in a crucial manner.  This affects public opinion strongly, and the after effects of that are very important.

huh. I wouldn't have thought media spin was as important but OK. 

 

As far as what he lies about, thats actually not true he's lied about many many important things. According to Politifact he only tells the truth or something mostly true 14% of the time (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/). We can take this over to the Trump thread and discuss there if you like.

 

On covid, Trump has been dangerously stupid. Its not even debatable. Pushing use of chloroquine was dangerous. Musing on UV and ingesting disinfectant is dangerous. Breaking international agreements and stealing medical supplies is dangerous. 

 

Its hard for me to understand when a person is lying and being dangerous - and this is objectively so, not spin - that you'd be more worried about what CNN says. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[RUPERTKBD]

Just now, Kragar said:

Look at what he lies about.  Most of them are hyperbole which at best are only true in certain contexts (best this, most that, blah, blah, blah).  Those are stupid, but hardly worth getting in an uproar about.  Lies that matter, well, they are told by all of our leaders.  It isn't right, but it is what it is, and Trump is no phenomenon in that respect.

 

Media slant is extremely important.  The large majority of people do not take the time to listen to whole speeches or press conferences. They get soundbites fed to them, with biased analysis instead of all the facts.  This is journalism today, and it is dumbing down our society in a crucial manner.  This affects public opinion strongly, and the after effects of that are very important.

Yeah.....like the one about how the Iranians were going to attack four embassies, so their general had to be taken out.....

 

Remember how many Canadians died as a result of his ham fisted actions in Iraq? But hey, it was all worth it to protect all four of those embassies right? Nothing to get in an "uproar" about...

[wloutet]

These look like the "Hockey Stick" graphs that Al Gore referred to in his presentations.

[Kragar]

2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

If Trump was "spit balling" and "innovating", why did he come out and say he was being "sarcastic" afterward?

 

Sorry K, this is a pretty weak defense......pretty much Derek Pouliot level....

Read my other posts.  I'm not defending him, I'm attacking the knee jerk responses. 

 

And, regarding his sarcasm, have you seen the things politicians will say to backpedal out of a sticky or unpopular situation?  If he was indeed sarcastic, that's not the place for it, and as I said to Deb, it's not the place sort spitballing either.

 

But like i also said, he was not attacked for spitballing, the idea itself was attacked.  Media put words in his mouth, and the memes ran wild.

 

What would happen if someone actually comes up with some internal treatment remotely close to what Trump talked about.  Would you give him credit for it? 

[MystifyNCrucify]

21 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Lots of panic in this forum.  For those that are 70 years old and older, I understand the stress.

 

Things in BC are going very well. No need to panic.

 

You are correct. There is no need to panic. 

 

There is a need, to take this seriously though, and adhere to the rules that make people safe. 

 

Those rules are in place, so that people dont panic, and feel that they are safe. 

 

Im guessin, taking a wild stab, that you arent high risk and or care about the elderly. 

 

Me personally, if i was single i would want to get it and get it over with. I have others to think about though, and they dont have the same constitution that i do. 

 

I am low risk. The people that i love and care about, arent. 

 

Thats why i follow the rules. Common effing sense. 

[Me_]

9 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Look at what he lies about.  Most of them are hyperbole which at best are only true in certain contexts (best this, most that, blah, blah, blah).  Those are stupid, but hardly worth getting in an uproar about.  Lies that matter, well, they are told by all of our leaders.  It isn't right, but it is what it is, and Trump is no phenomenon in that respect.

 

Media slant is extremely important.  The large majority of people do not take the time to listen to whole speeches or press conferences. They get soundbites fed to them, with biased analysis instead of all the facts.  This is journalism today, and it is dumbing down our society in a crucial manner.  This affects public opinion strongly, and the after effects of that are very important.

Sorry mate but there’s no spinning to be had here. Trump has exposed himself as severely incompetent unable to strategize long-term, and looking for a short-term fix.

 

The same impatience that prevents him from reading a full page of words was used live on TV; can’t you just drink poison to clean it out.

 

This man has embarrassed an entire country that finds itself on the brinks of collapse. 
 

This is not a President. This is an Autocrat, willing to fire IGs for less scrutiny, decorated Captains of ships battleships whose voice fell on deaf ears, and now has carelessly and in serious tone, called for a mass suicide by inJECting cleaning products into the body, while “his people” are approaching a Vietnam War’s worth of dead.

 

There is no spinning possible. 

[Kragar]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

huh. I wouldn't have thought media spin was as important but OK. 

 

As far as what he lies about, thats actually not true he's lied about many many important things. According to Politifact he only tells the truth or something mostly true 14% of the time (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/). We can take this over to the Trump thread and discuss there if you like.

 

On covid, Trump has been dangerously stupid. Its not even debatable. Pushing use of chloroquine was dangerous. Musing on UV and ingesting disinfectant is dangerous. Breaking international agreements and stealing medical supplies is dangerous. 

 

Its hard for me to understand when a person is lying and being dangerous - and this is objectively so, not spin - that you'd be more worried about what CNN says. 

 

 

 

 

I don't go to the Trump thread anymore.  Havent even looked in there in about 6 months, and don't miss it one bit.  For the same reasons I've mostly avoided this thread in the last month.

 

Believe what you want, I know I'm not changing many people's minds here.  It would just be nice to see journalists be journalists again, so that we get more truth.  The press is supposed to call out politician's lies, not make them up.