Jason Dickinson | #18 | C

[HockeyHarry]

I dont get the buy out Jake talk?

why not just trade his rights and get something?

 

Anywho im happy Canucks got their 3rd line center and another PK forward.

 

I honestly dont know to much about this Dickinson. I also hope his last name isn’t from an old family history of father and son night time relationships.

[73 Percent]

4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Winnipeg probably wanted a 2nd plus a prospect for Appleton.  The cost was too high IMO.  A 3rd round pick for a 26 year old PK specialist who can be your top defensive player I believe is good value.  Benning did good.  It wasn't a home run but it's one piece of the puzzle.  I expect more pieces to follow.

The deal isnt done yet. The contract that he gets will dictate how good or bad this trade was. 

 

Imo.

Edited July 18, 2021 by 73 Percent

[Canuck Surfer]

45 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said:

I dont get the buy out Jake talk?

why not just trade his rights and get something?

 

Anywho im happy Canucks got their 3rd line center and another PK forward.

 

I honestly dont know to much about this Dickinson. I also hope his last name isn’t from an old family history of father and son night time relationships.

You have to be mindful of asking teams to ''take on a problem.''  

 

For example I am sure Montreal was given behind the scenes disclosure to take on Kassian.  Or he would have commanded more?

 

Listen GM Jim?  Was Jake always out and about...

 

If they can say with a straight face; ''Jake was a poster boy!''  They could get something.  But your reputation is also on the line.  If his behaviour had danger signals?

 

You are better to just walk away. If his behaviour was genuinely exceptional, this ''rumour / accusation'' would probably get looked past. But there were always questions about Jakes commitment.  

[DownUndaCanuck]

Hopefully his faceoff % can improve with us (as most players do) but he is the perfect pickup for this team. We needed a present and future 3C and JB has got us one quite cheaply. Great defensive center who can kill penalties, take some pressure off Bo and Sutter.

 

I doubt Beagle is fit to ever play again meaning we have to re-sign Sutter, hopefully quite cheaply, for our 4th center spot because Highmore and Graovac are not the solution there (they don't play on any playoff team).

 

I think Dickinson would play well with a guy like Motte and maybe see what Podkolzin can do on their line for offence (and size), or Highmore for more tenacity. The 4th line should revolve around a safe Sutter who can play with grit, MacEwan to bring size and then maybe Boyd.

[deus.ex.makina]

good signing for sure, but i wanted Domi as 3rd C to fulfill the need of a much offensive minded 3rd line. 
if Dickinson is there to replace Beagle then i'm fine.

 

[Dazzle]

@lmm

"Jason Dickinson...hard to play against" - Craig Button.

 

This is what you said about Dickinson.

 

On 7/19/2021 at 10:43 AM, lmm said:

Obviously, Jim is adding around the periphery

Jim also resigned Green, not a fan

retained Baumer, not a fan

brought back Clarke, I am a fan,

I see above, someone says Dickinson "makes us hard to play against, the videos I found do not show that

do you have videos of Jason Dickinson being hard to play against?

Convincing John says Dickinson is one dimensional, do you have proof to say otherwise?

Roussell and Beagle are one dimensional, we have a lot of that

 

 

Shaw might well be a good coach, but I see a lot of comments like, "Hopefully he can convince Green to fix the defense" Is that realistic?

Good coach or bad I fear Shaw will be a lone voice in a room full of (not so) old boys

Jimmy McGill says, " maybe JD is not the answer to the 3c problem", so, what is he? Another warm body not quite cast right for the job at hand?

 

Jim said "Bold moves" 

Is this it? or do we trade our first and second to try and scrape into the playoffs again

Awalk (not a friend of mine , nor

 Con Johns as far as I know), says, "The Canucks are always trading future for the present" and I agree with that 

If we are going to trade for a 3c, trade for 2010 Brian Boyle (whoever that might be) If that is Jason Dickinson, great, if not what is the point?

I'm willing to wager that a) You barely knew about this player b) You have a bias against anything that Jim Benning does. Look no further than my signature.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Dazzle

[nux_win]

On 7/17/2021 at 6:21 PM, wildcam said:

I think Dickson with wear #18.... Jake will be bought out soon..

Good call.  GCG!

[Fred65]

I see Dickinson has filed for arbitration. I'd have thought prior to the trade Vcr would have explored what his asking price would be 

[J-P]

27 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

I see Dickinson has filed for arbitration. I'd have thought prior to the trade Vcr would have explored what his asking price would be 

My guess is the numbers are not the problem but the timing. JB wants to sign the other contracts before, while Dicks understandably wants to be assured he gets a contract and can play. 

 

This way both win sorta as long as the contract is signed before arbitration actually takes place.

 

If I'm wrong and it does go to arbitration it's not a good look for management.

[Curmudgeon]

Filing for arbitration does not reflect badly on management. The success of any contract negotiation consists of finding the sweet spot between what a player wants and what the team is wiling to pay. In EVERY negotiation the team tries to minimize its cost and the player tries to maximize his salary. It is never personal, it's just business. It seems to me that there are those on this board who seem to think that Dickinson filing for arbitration looks like a failure by Benning. Not really. A failure by Benning would be for him to simply pay what the player asks, thereby limiting his flexibility under the cap. I guarantee if Benning had signed Dickinson to a $5M x 5YR contract, the usual suspects would be screaming for his head, and rightfully so in my opinion. The other thing is that few arbitration cases even make it before the arbitrator, making arbitration more of a ritual dance than a practical reality. In that sense, the threat of arbitration just forces the team and the player to come to an agreement. No big deal, just time-consuming.

[J-P]

12 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said:

Filing for arbitration does not reflect badly on management. The success of any contract negotiation consists of finding the sweet spot between what a player wants and what the team is wiling to pay. In EVERY negotiation the team tries to minimize its cost and the player tries to maximize his salary. It is never personal, it's just business. It seems to me that there are those on this board who seem to think that Dickinson filing for arbitration looks like a failure by Benning. Not really. A failure by Benning would be for him to simply pay what the player asks, thereby limiting his flexibility under the cap. I guarantee if Benning had signed Dickinson to a $5M x 5YR contract, the usual suspects would be screaming for his head, and rightfully so in my opinion. The other thing is that few arbitration cases even make it before the arbitrator, making arbitration more of a ritual dance than a practical reality. In that sense, the threat of arbitration just forces the team and the player to come to an agreement. No big deal, just time-consuming.

Totally agree filing is not an issue, but in the rare cases where it actually goes to a hearing and arbitrator decision more often than not it leaves bad blood.

 

So if he's signed before the hearing - which I totally expect as well - all is good. If not though, trading for an RFA and then deciding the new contract with arbitration does look bad.

 

But as mentioned, the most likely scenario is that they had an agreement in principle before the trade was made and this will be settled well before the hearing. 

[Fred65]

If it were me I'd have contacted his agent and asked what's your man looking for, Oh OK!! I think we can handle that. I mean when I check out a hotel I like to know what they're expecting.

[Curmudgeon]

1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

If it were me I'd have contacted his agent and asked what's your man looking for, Oh OK!! I think we can handle that. I mean when I check out a hotel I like to know what they're expecting.

From Patrick Johnson, The Sun, July 17/21:

 

Quote from Jim Benning:

 

The fact that Dickinson needs a new contract and could even opt for arbitration isn’t a concern to the Canucks.

“They gave us permission to speak (early) to his agent (Pat Morris), so we’ve spoken with him. I expect we’ll be able to get him signed,” Benning said. Morris is also the agent for Canucks captain Bo Horvat.

[AV.]

I don't think the Canucks would have picked this guy up without having a ball-park figure that could work.

 

Player/agent probably want 3, Canucks closer to 2, and they'll meet somewhere in the middle.  Easy business.

[RWMc1]

6 hours ago, J-P said:

My guess is the numbers are not the problem but the timing. JB wants to sign the other contracts before, while Dicks understandably wants to be assured he gets a contract and can play. 

 

This way both win sorta as long as the contract is signed before arbitration actually takes place.

 

If I'm wrong and it does go to arbitration it's not a good look for management.

It also avoids an offer sheet scenario, which would fall in the 2nd round category, and it buys time while they're figuring out the Pettersson and Hughes salaries.

[wildcam]

I hope Vancouver gets #18 Dickinson signed in next few weeks..New salary 4 yrs X 2.6 million AVG?

1yr 2.3 --2nd 2.5 -3rd 2.7 4th - 2.9 ? -- Like the type of game Dickinson plays....

[4petesake]

JD’s salary arbitration is scheduled for August 20 so lots of time to get a deal done. There could be a framework for a deal done already but JB likely doesn’t want it done/announced yet so as not to encourage (the already remote) possibility of a Pettersson offer sheet.

[Hairy Kneel]

Off Reddit :

 

SourGrapesFTW 110 points 10 hours ago

Jason Dickinson has two comparables that are almost identical to him, and they both signed. 

Ivan Barbashev, 3rd line, left shooting center who can play wing. He is also an excellent penalty killer and is 25, signed 2 year, 2.25M 

Teddy Blueger  26 year old center with comparable numbers to both Barbashev and Dickinson: 2 year, 2.2M 

 

BARBASHEV 38 games, 5g, 7a, 12 Points

BLUEGER     43 game, 7g, 15 a, 22 Points

DICKINSON 51 games, 7g, 8a, 15 Points

 

Dickinson leads in takeaways and hits, and Barbashev has a Stanley Cup and Blueger more points.

The only hold up that I see here is if Benning is trying to sign a three or four year deal with Dickinson... otherwise give him 2.3M year for two years and call it a day.

 

I think JD should bring back jersey #11

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Hairy Kneel

[smithers joe]

i would offer him 3 mil for 5yrs. he'll be that important to this tean. i'ld play him lw with petey and boeser.  let JT lead and feed podkolzin and hoglander. this is what i'ld like to see.

[-AJ-]

8 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Off Reddit :

 

SourGrapesFTW 110 points 10 hours ago

Jason Dickinson has two comparables that are almost identical to him, and they both signed. 

Ivan Barbashev, 3rd line, left shooting center who can play wing. He is also an excellent penalty killer and is 25, signed 2 year, 2.25M 

Teddy Blueger  26 year old center with comparable numbers to both Barbashev and Dickinson: 2 year, 2.2M 

 

BARBASHEV 38 games, 5g, 7a, 12 Points

BLUEGER     43 game, 7g, 15 a, 22 Points

DICKINSON 51 games, 7g, 8a, 15 Points

 

Dickinson leads in takeaways and hits, and Barbashev has a Stanley Cup and Blueger more points.

The only hold up that I see here is if Benning is trying to sign a three or four year deal with Dickinson... otherwise give him 2.3M year for two years and call it a day.

 

I think JD should bring back jersey #11

 

 

 

I'd only be okay with #11 if they got the Maki's approval.