Canucks release protected list for expansion draft

[Gollumpus]

19 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

Don't think so, but let's not let facts get in the way.. what I do know is...  that wood floats on water, as do ducks. Therefore, if the Jake weighs the same as a duck, he must be able to float on water, which means he is made of wood, and consequently must be a witch.

 

Burn Him!

 

                                           regards,  G.

[Putgolzin]

41 minutes ago, Googlie said:

The talking heads in the Kraken fanbase seem to be zeroing in on MacEwen.  3 seasons with NHL experience totalling 55 games ... big body ... can play up and down the lineup .. hits, and can drop 'em when necessary.  Would slot right into their 4th line.   That's their reasoning

Perfect.

I think Bailey slips right into that spot and finally shows us the player that he can become.

[BoKnows]

[appleboy]

2 hours ago, IBatch said:

Hope your right ... but why would they take Holtby as their starter over Bishop?   Guys at a very friendly cap hit 4.9 .... and way way better stats the last three years.   One of the best in the entire league really.

 

Pavelski was the guy the Kraken anticipated they'd get.   When he waived to get picked basically,  it's almost a certainty he gets the job as number one.   Injuries have been a  concern for him, so maybe Holbty gets picked as a backup ... or to be flipped with retention at the TDL.   But spending close to 10 million doesn't make much sense when they could just load up on 4th Ds and trade them back instead.   

They may be looking to flip him somewhere else. I don't know why but I have a feeling that he is their guy. We haven't left them much else.

[Dazzle]

56 minutes ago, Googlie said:

The talking heads in the Kraken fanbase seem to be zeroing in on MacEwen.  3 seasons with NHL experience totalling 55 games ... big body ... can play up and down the lineup .. hits, and can drop 'em when necessary.  Would slot right into their 4th line.   That's their reasoning

He's a depth player. Nothing wrong with that, but not really a loss that would impact the Canucks in any significant way. Green seems to have used him sparingly. We'll see if that was a mistake.

[73 Percent]

Just now, Dazzle said:

He's a depth player. Nothing wrong with that, but not really a loss that would impact the Canucks in any significant way. Green seems to have used him sparingly. We'll see if that was a mistake.

Yeah I fail to see the "up" in up and down the lineup lol.

[Vegan]

On 7/18/2021 at 4:10 PM, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Majority owner is David Bonderman.  He's a billionaire (and I don't mean Dotard Billionaire ).  Net worth 4.1 billion.  Roughly equal to the Canucks ownership net worth.

 

 

 

He should be fine as NHL teams should be earning lots of pesos with ticket sales in the fall and beyond

 

[Kootenay Gold]

6 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Yeah I fail to see the "up" in up and down the lineup lol.

No offence to Big Mac but he is expendable. There are a lot of other players on teams around the league that are in the same situation... ie: he can easily be replaced

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

50 minutes ago, Vegan said:

He should be fine as NHL teams should be earning lots of pesos with ticket sales in the fall and beyond

 

They built their arena without the use of taxpayers money.  All funded via private funds.  They don't order from the value menu at McDonald's.  Shows they don't only have money but they are willing to spend it.

Edited July 20, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan

[Gollumpus]

I welcome any insight on this subject as I have not been paying all that much attention to hockey (it's baseball season. Go Giants).

 

I don't see Seattle taking Holtby (but yeah, it could happen). I suspect that they will take a forward from the Canucks (I picked MacEwan, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Lind, or Gadjovich, or even Virtanen).

 

For goalies, I think Seattle will take Ben Bishop (Dallas), who will serve as their starter. Good numbers, reasonable cap hit (signed for two more years), and I can't say that I'm overwhelmed with the competition of anyone to take over him. I don't think they will be wanting to draft a second (former) starter as the backup, so they will find a guy via trade or a UFA.

 

Other goalies they might take are someone like Kaapo Kahkonen (Minnesota). He's young, has a good cap hit, has pretty decent numbers, and most importantly, he is waivers exempt. I suspect that they will want to take a second young guy who, like Kahkonen, is waivers exempt, perhaps Fitzpatrick (St. Louis).

 

                                                                   regards,  G.

[DrJockitch]

1 minute ago, Gollumpus said:

I welcome any insight on this subject as I have not been paying all that much attention to hockey (it's baseball season. Go Giants).

 

I don't see Seattle taking Holtby (but yeah, it could happen). I suspect that they will take a forward from the Canucks (I picked MacEwan, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Lind, or Gadjovich, or even Virtanen).

 

For goalies, I think Seattle will take Ben Bishop (Dallas), who will serve as their starter. Good numbers, reasonable cap hit (signed for two more years), and I can't say that I'm overwhelmed with the competition of anyone to take over him. I don't think they will be wanting to draft a second (former) starter as the backup, so they will find a guy via trade or a UFA.

 

Other goalies they might take are someone like Kaapo Kahkonen (Minnesota). He's young, has a good cap hit, has pretty decent numbers, and most importantly, he is waivers exempt. I suspect that they will want to take a second young guy who, like Kahkonen, is waivers exempt, perhaps Fitzpatrick (St. Louis).

 

                                                                   regards,  G.

Ben Bishop is a big ticket that can't stay healthy.

Personally would go with Kakkonen and Holtby with plan to sell Holtby at deadline or earlier.  Bring in another 1B type since Kakkonen is so young. 

I don't get protecting Cam Talbot over Kakkonen.  Seems like one of the dumber mistakes in the ED lists.

[Gollumpus]

22 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Ben Bishop is a big ticket that can't stay healthy.

Personally would go with Kakkonen and Holtby with plan to sell Holtby at deadline or earlier.  Bring in another 1B type since Kakkonen is so young. 

I don't get protecting Cam Talbot over Kakkonen.  Seems like one of the dumber mistakes in the ED lists.

I was wondering about any kind of injury history, but I see in the three seasons prior to the knee injury he played in 53/82, 46/82 and 44/69 games. If the knee is good (and I presume that Seattle will check on this), then I would stick with Bishop over Holtby. 

 

                                                             regards,  G.

 

EDIT: I was assuming Kahkonen being in the AHL as that would give him more playing time as opposed to being the back-up behind a workhorse like Bishop (assuming Bishop was healthy and were to be selected) 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Gollumpus

[Maniwaki Canuck]

When picking from the Canucks, Seattle hasn't got much to work with:  prospects that haven't quite graduated, replacement level players, or Holtby.  The talk show assumption is that they're trying to bargain us down on salary retention for Holtby and see him as the best route to realizing some value out of what they get from us.  Maybe we could go 1 mil down that road, but after that it's a wash considering we'd just have to find another backup.  I'd like to see Benning hold firm  and call their bluff because they just might bite given the alternatives. 

[Googlie]

1 hour ago, Vegan said:

He should be fine as NHL teams should be earning lots of pesos with ticket sales in the fall and beyond

 

Yeah - they won't won't have trouble filling the arena .....

 

https://www.nhl.com/kraken/news/kraken-announce-high-tide-waitlist-to-secure-spot-in-line-for-season-tickets/c-325267778

[Googlie]

57 minutes ago, Gollumpus said:

I welcome any insight on this subject as I have not been paying all that much attention to hockey (it's baseball season. Go Giants).

 

I don't see Seattle taking Holtby (but yeah, it could happen). I suspect that they will take a forward from the Canucks (I picked MacEwan, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Lind, or Gadjovich, or even Virtanen).

 

For goalies, I think Seattle will take Ben Bishop (Dallas), who will serve as their starter. Good numbers, reasonable cap hit (signed for two more years), and I can't say that I'm overwhelmed with the competition of anyone to take over him. I don't think they will be wanting to draft a second (former) starter as the backup, so they will find a guy via trade or a UFA.

 

Other goalies they might take are someone like Kaapo Kahkonen (Minnesota). He's young, has a good cap hit, has pretty decent numbers, and most importantly, he is waivers exempt. I suspect that they will want to take a second young guy who, like Kahkonen, is waivers exempt, perhaps Fitzpatrick (St. Louis).

 

                                                                   regards,  G.

The latest from the Kraken cognoscenti is that, similar to Vegas using their 4 extra picks on defencemen, Kraken will stockpile goalies, picking 7.   They'll flip 4 and keep 3, assigning one to their shared farm team.  Lots of support for Francis calling the Habs' bluff, and selecting Price

 

The Hockey Guy did a good video on this.....

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Googlie

[Canuck Surfer]

1 hour ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

The talk show assumption is that they're trying to bargain us down on salary retention for Holtby

Yeah I have read this speculation.  I doubt it will hold true.

 

Holtby was sold on coming here by presenting a expansion draft ''un=friendly'' contract. So it would be less likely he be selected? I doubt they will contradict that good faith by paying Seattle to take him. 

 

In the summer of 2022 we will want to carry a good reputation in to the free agent market. 

[Maniwaki Canuck]

4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Yeah I have read this speculation.  I doubt it will hold true.

 

Holtby was sold on coming here by presenting a expansion draft ''un=friendly'' contract. So it would be less likely he be selected? I doubt they will contradict that good faith by paying Seattle to take him. 

 

In the summer of 2022 we will want to carry a good reputation in to the free agent market. 

For sure his contract is a poison pill for the expansion draft so we'd have to retain a lot to make it attractive.  Plus Seattle has a lot of good options on other goalies.  The only reason they'd consider it is how lean the rest of the pickings from us are.  I'm thinking its not going to happen.  If I was Seattle, I'd take a gamble on Gadjovic:  hope they don't do it.

[Gawdzukes]

4 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

*YOU* should be over there on their forum pumping the tires of Holtby!

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4 hours ago, Googlie said:

One - absolutely serious - "expert" took Eriksson in his mock draft.  Called him their first line winger and cited his Dallas and Boston goals as rationale!!

 

3 hours ago, Dazzle said:

He's a depth player. Nothing wrong with that, but not really a loss that would impact the Canucks in any significant way. Green seems to have used him sparingly. We'll see if that was a mistake.

 

3 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

Yeah I fail to see the "up" in up and down the lineup lol.

 

3 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said:

No offence to Big Mac but he is expendable. There are a lot of other players on teams around the league that are in the same situation... ie: he can easily be replaced

 

I haven't seen anything in Mac that I would bat an eyelash over losing. He's been very insignificant in my opinion and I wonder how many more games he will even end up playing.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

 

 

 

I haven't seen anything in Mac that I would bat an eyelash over losing. He's been very insignificant in my opinion and I wonder how many more games he will even end up playing.

Could easily see Seattle taking Holtby.  Then, during the year, all of Mac, Gads, and Lind are placed on waivers so they can be sent to Abbotsford.  

[J-P]

5 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

For sure his contract is a poison pill for the expansion draft so we'd have to retain a lot to make it attractive.  Plus Seattle has a lot of good options on other goalies.  The only reason they'd consider it is how lean the rest of the pickings from us are.  I'm thinking its not going to happen.  If I was Seattle, I'd take a gamble on Gadjovic:  hope they don't do it.

Thinking Seattle will select MacEwen. He's proven he can play 12/13F in the NHL while Lind and Gad likely needs more time in the minors. 

 

The smart pick is Gadj though, lots of upside (but might also bust). If Seattle picks Holtby or MacEwen I'll be satisfied although it would be sad to see MacEwen go.