[Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland

[Cromeslab]

3 minutes ago, khay said:

This is what I don't get. They want Risto but complain that we got OEL even when OEL is better than Risto. OEL is a suspect in his own end? What about Risto? Risto is big that's all that he's got on OEL. And look at what it cost to get him. If OEL didn't have a two team trade list, we don't get OEL at this cost. He's still a good player although no longer at the level he used to be.

 

Also, OEL at slightly north of 7 mil is not too bad of a cap hit. He is still a smooth skating dman who transitions the puck very well and could suit the style that we play. He will have plenty of forwards that know what to do with the puck, unlike in Arizona.

 

People complain that we should have just put up with one stinker of a season and let those bad contracts expire. I don't think that would sit well with the players. The players hate losing and to come back with the same team and finish in the bottom 5 would equate to losing morale and players feeling lost. This is not an NHL game where you can sim the whole season. The players digest the 82 game schedule with the goal of making the playoffs, it is extremely demoralizing to lose and feel inferior to other teams/players. The frustration level in the locker room after this season is higher among the players as evident from Horvat's comments. 

 

Last season saw us go on an upswing, winning two series, only to be let down this season. If no significant moves are made and the same type of season followed in 2021-22 season, the team may never recover and this core may be in jeopardy.

 

Also, keep in mind the division that we are in. The three Cali teams are rebuilding, Calgary is in a disarray, Seattle doesn't look like they'll be as good as Vegas was, and Arizona is, well, Arizona. That leaves Vegas and Edmonton as the only teams that are likely to make the playoffs, which leaves the door open for Vancouver. We should capitalize on this opportunity.

 

 

Lol so true,can’t please everyone 

[SergioMomesso]

I still can’t believe 5 years ago I was actually pumped to see Eriksson signed here. My my how the tables have turned.

[Elias Pettersson]

5 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Plus he just turned 30… I think people look at a few rough seasons and think his body has given out, but as Canuck fans we need to remember how many times we wrote off Edler and Tanev only to see them come back and play great hockey… and as much as I appreciate those two I don’t think they’re quite up to OEL’s peak ceiling. 

OEL's point totals last year work out to a 43 point season over 82 games.  That's the same production that he was getting BEFORE he signed his mega contract.  Just wait until he starts playing with Petey and Quinn.  He could have a 50 point season next year.

[TFerguson]

10 minutes ago, Me_ said:

First of all those golden helmets should be illegal.

 

Second, love how Garland is right in the middle of it all.

 

Third, love how OEL just throws the goalie to the ice without effort. 
 

We just got a gem, people.

 

Feeling better and better about this trade all the time 

 

[King Heffy]

4 minutes ago, khay said:

 

Also, keep in mind the division that we are in. The three Cali teams are rebuilding, Calgary is in a disarray, Seattle doesn't look like they'll be as good as Vegas was, and Arizona is, well, Arizona. That leaves Vegas and Edmonton as the only teams that are likely to make the playoffs, which leaves the door open for Vancouver. We should capitalize on this opportunity.

 

 

I don't see Edmonton making the playoffs in an 82 game season with their AHL defense, goaltending, and bottom 6.  I think we're a shoo-in along with Vegas, and Seattle takes the third spot.  Now that we're doing this, we need to be moving Holtby and hopefully Schmidt and going all-in.

[bbllpp]

Just now, Crabcakes said:

That's the media estimate.  Only a number for comparisons sake

If EP gets offer sheeted 8-9x8 the extra 4.75 cap from this deal goes a long way. We’ll need to make room but the impact will be a lot less.  i.e. we pay EP and QH before the rest with peace of mind

 

We can also flip Schmidt now without our backs against the cap wall

[SergioMomesso]

Our Conor is better than the one on team tar sands 

[86Viking]

Give Garland  Gallagher's old contract? under 4m but was 5 or 6 yrs in length? Unsure if he signs that cheap of cap hit but the term gives financial stability for him

[Dirtman]

I'm pretty stoked on OEL. No chance he doesn't come into camp motivated as hell.

 

Also, he balances out the handsome Swede quota we lost when Marky left. 

[ilduce39]

Just now, SergioMomesso said:

I still can’t believe 5 years ago I was actually pumped to see Eriksson signed here. My my how the tables have turned.

The problem with Loui wasn’t that he was bad NOW it was that he was bad (at least value wise for the cap hit) for the entirety of his contract.
 

It’s like his hands turned to stone after signing the thing.  

 

With his decent defensive and “little things” game he probably would have kept some value if he could score on anything besides an empty net.  In the middle of his contract he’d get so many chances and just whiffle them into the goalies chest. I can’t imagine the guy as ever being a 30 goal scorer.

[Crabcakes]

4 minutes ago, bbllpp said:

If EP gets offer sheeted 8-9x8 the extra 4.75 cap from this deal goes a long way. We’ll need to make room but the impact will be a lot less.  i.e. we pay EP and QH before the rest with peace of mind

 

We can also flip Schmidt now without our backs against the cap wall

Yep, there's plenty of wiggle room

[DS4quality]

5 minutes ago, bbllpp said:

If EP gets offer sheeted 8-9x8 the extra 4.75 cap from this deal goes a long way. We’ll need to make room but the impact will be a lot less.  i.e. we pay EP and QH before the rest with peace of mind

 

We can also flip Schmidt now without our backs against the cap wall

I'd Petey gets offer sheeted I'd be choked it got that point

[TheRocket18]

46 minutes ago, longsuffering said:

Do you think the Sedins had a hand in this decision?

yes.

bet eagle gets resigned too somehow, our team takes care of vets right type of thing.... well see...

oel and edler together.... team sweden?

hogs bo podz pls.

 

 

 

 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I don't see Edmonton making the playoffs in an 82 game season with their AHL defense, goaltending, and bottom 6.  I think we're a shoo-in along with Vegas, and Seattle takes the third spot.  Now that we're doing this, we need to be moving Holtby and hopefully Schmidt and going all-in.

I agree.  Benning needs to push all his chips in now.  No reason to hold back.  We have a sick top 9 and a Vezina trophy calibre goalie.  We have more than enough puck moving D as well.  We need an aggressive in your face 4C who is great on faceoffs and the penalty kill and we need some big bodied RHD that can clear the front of the net and one who can partner with Hughes.  With OEL we don't need Schmidt.  And we don't need Holtby.

 

Trade Schmidt and Holtby and their cap hits for picks, buy out Virtanen and free up $13 million in cap.  The go out and get 2 RHD and a 4C.  If Benning can do that not only are we a playoff team I think we can do some damage in the playoffs next year.

[Cromeslab]

Just now, DS4quality said:

I'd Petey gets offer sheeted I'd be choked it got that point

He can refuse no?

[viking mama]

11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

OEL's point totals last year work out to a 43 point season over 82 games.  That's the same production that he was getting BEFORE he signed his mega contract.  Just wait until he starts playing with Petey and Quinn.  He could have a 50 point season next year.

Team-D needs to be solved, signed, sealed & delivered-up to some regular ice-time together, in order to become a synchronized machine.
 

D-men are the heart of any hockey team. The goalies, are more like the immune system. If the D-men don’t function well, there is virtually very little game or any resistance to offer-up.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by viking mama

[86Viking]

5 minutes ago, Dirtman said:

I'm pretty stoked on OEL. No chance he doesn't come into camp motivated as hell.

 

Also, he balances out the handsome Swede quota we lost when Marky left. 

LOL, didn't Hoglander take that spot tho!?

[viking mama]

6 minutes ago, Dirtman said:

I'm pretty stoked on OEL. No chance he doesn't come into camp motivated as hell.

 

Also, he balances out the handsome Swede quota we lost when Marky left. 

Amen to that.

 

….or is it - hail Odin!!! 

Edited July 24, 2021 by viking mama

[SergioMomesso]

2 minutes ago, DS4quality said:

I'd Petey gets offer sheeted I'd be choked it got that point

That means JB will have multiple 1st round picks to trade for next couple drafts. 

[oldnews]

2 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Plus he just turned 30… I think people look at a few rough seasons and think his body has given out, but as Canuck fans we need to remember how many times we wrote off Edler and Tanev only to see them come back and play great hockey… and as much as I appreciate those two I don’t think they’re quite up to OEL’s peak ceiling. 

The most hits Edler ever threw in a season was 157 - OEL topped that 3 times.

Edler's threw 143 hits and 127 in his next highest totals.  OEL topped 127 x 7 times.

OEL has more hits than Edler the past three seasons

But if you listen to some folks on here - he's "soft" LOEL.

 

And can't skate / is "slow".  But most people - who have eyes - consider him a highly mobile, smooth/fluid skater.

 

He's outscored Edler 98 - 75 over the past three seasons.  He's done so while producing on the powerplay - while Edler has had far more productive forwards to play with 5on5.  There is a lot of nuance in 'comparing' these two - I'd consider Edler's 'underlying' numbers better than OEL's over that period - but at the same time, I'd consider Edler's partners over that time to be better than OEL's.   The point here is not really a 'comparison' of the two - but to point out that OEL is going to be a slightly (1+ million) higher cap hit than Edler over the same period of their careers (30-35).

 

At age 30 - Edler had the worst season of his career - actually 3 of 4 seasons in that stretch he had 20, 21, 22 pt seasons - all of which would be career worst production for OEL.  OEL just had a season where he was more than a .5ppg player - and yet is allegedly the worst contract in the NHL - a league with contracts like Gardiner's, Skinner's, Ladd's, LE's, etc....

Some people just try too hard to sandbag good players.  Edler went through the same thing here - he was a favorite whipping boy for years - but has been one fo the best defensemen in franchise history...