Who here is actually happy with the Hronek trade?

[PhillipBlunt]

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

Yes, and PA seems to believe Hronek is that guy.

I do appreciate his conviction and balls to make the trade. 

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

So if we change scenario to PAs vision we only have to pair up OEL with the right guy.

Unless OEL starts dragging down Hronek. 

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

So a 4th D is what is needed.

If we have that player isn’t clear jet as Bear might not get a new contract, Poolmans probably off to unless he gets back from his injurie and our prospects 

But as I said, we have a whole season and more to know more.

The team needs size on defense that plays responsibly and physically. Myers is too gaffe prone. Need Schenn and one more big bodied dman. Maybe thats what the 11th overall is traded for. 

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

An injured OEL and no Hronek can give that impression.

So add 2 top four D players into the mix and suddenly the future is much brighter.

Need four. Clear out the cap space in trades and make the defense hard

to play against while having two offensive dynamos in Hughes and Hronek

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

No, but as we have a cap that stops every team to be best in every area of the game you have to compromise.

Never compromise. Win at all costs. 

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

the left side is probably one of the best in the league. The right side, hmm

Why? Hughes is sensational and a true elite defenseman. OEL is yesterday’s news. Not near the best. Dermott? Nope. 

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

Do you really think Dallas or Seattle has a d-core that is among the top 8 in the league and better than ours? 

Who got into the playoffs and past the first round? Both. Yes. They have a better overall defense than Vancouver. Heiskanen is an elite defenseman. 

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

Short minutes and he can retalliate if necessary.

The whole defense needs to play like a pack of wolves. You f**k with one Canuck, you f**k with all of them.

Know what I’m saying, brah?

[24K PureCool]

2 hours ago, Odd. said:

Where the cap space at 

You do realize the cap is projected to go up by like $6 or $7 million after next season right? 

 

This upcoming season is the last year of the flat cap. 

[wildcam]

11 hours ago, Odd. said:

As many of you might know, I am NOT pleased with the Hronek trade. Our team is nowhere near competitive, and looking at Hronek, he doesn’t exactly fit much of our needs on defense other than being an offensive right handed defenseman.

 

He is not particularly good in his own end, he’s a bit undersized, and is more of a PP specialist than a 5 on 5 catalyst, something I would expect from a defenseman that costed a 1st and a 2nd. Not to mention being one of the only teams out of the playoff for 7 of 8 years trading 1sts like we’re competitive.

 

The problem is, he puts up points, and is in line for a significant raise. Some comparibles are:

 

Sergachev: $8.5M x 8 (averaged 30-38 points a season before extending, career high 65 points)

Trouba: $8.0M x 8 (averages 20-30 points)

Werenski: $9.583M x 6 (averages 30-40 points)

Chabot: $8.0M x 8 (averages 30-45 points)

Morrissey $6.25M x 8 (averages 25-35 points, career high 76 points)

Provorov $6.7M x 6 (averages 25-35 points)

 

All these guys signed their extensions between 23-26. Hronek is 25, and already averages 30-40 points a season. 
 

What is stopping him from asking those types of contracts? We aren’t getting him for under $7M, especially if he puts up 35+ points.

 

In a deep draft such as this, having 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick would have helped this organization immensely both depth and value. 
 

Yzerman fleeced us so hard. What an absolute disastrous trade that I don’t see paying off for us one bit. 

Very happy with the trade RD man 25 years old plays solid game PP--PK-- solid player and plays tough..Will play 23--26 mins..

Very good trade Allvin

Morrissey deal was done 2yrs ago..Today Morrissey would be signing for 8yrs X 8.5--9 million

Top 15 RD man in NHL these type of players are so hard to find and cost is, 1st rounder and  2nd rounder

You will never never get a Hronek less then what Canucks paid....

Canucks never got fleeced..

 

[iceman64]

3 hours ago, Odd. said:

Where the cap space at 

Boes and Garland for prospects or picks.. do the math..

Edit: So it's 11 mil, we have raises and this is the year of Hogs and Podz.. 

Can Hogs crack the line-up if he goes all in a summer regime of on/off the ice training and same with Podz. 

How those 2 do has a lot of bearing how the rest of next season plays out and all we can do is wait and see... Hogs showed a ton of improvement but still needs tuning and Podz was odd man out but Abby helped him with ice time, if I'm Al and JR, I'm putting the Sedins on those 2 for extra training. 

 And on top of that Woo with Gonchar, Woo is improving just in time to become depth help but needs to get some big club practice exp.. 

 If they work out then that will save us a ton of headaches trying to sign and get new faces up to speed and that's hardly necessary any time soon. 

 If there's one franchise that's been a historic player turnstile other than some mainstays like other clubs, it's been a long line... 

 I can hardly imagine a good set roster with depth to go on a gruelling cup run..  

Meh... Who knows... 

Edited May 17, 2023 by iceman64

[Odd.]

I really hope I can look back at this thread and laugh at myself. I hope.

[PhillipBlunt]

15 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I really hope I can look back at this thread and laugh at myself. I hope.

Only schmoles hope to look back and laugh. 

[MeanSeanBean]

9 hours ago, Honky Cat said:

You dont think a 25 year old, top 4, RHD starts with a 1st round draft pick ?

The last one that was traded was Marino, who I thinks a better player for us style wise, and went for less. Answer your question?

[ilduce39]

28 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:

The last one that was traded was Marino, who I thinks a better player for us style wise, and went for less. Answer your question?

I liked Marino as a target, too, but he’s not at Hronek’s level. 
 

He also cost Ty Smith an (ironically) 17th overall defender plus a 3rd.  
 

Weigh that against Hronek who has much better stats across the board for an 18 OA 1st, 2nd and 4th. 

[MaxVerstappen33]

I just imagine if Toronto or Edmonton traded for him instead, they'd probably still be in the playoffs. 

 

Everyone around the league critiqued the trade because of where the Canucks are. But none of them asked why we got him and none of the playoff window teams did. 

 

Edmonton is stupid. They should be spending their 1st and 2nds for the next 2 years and yet they let us walk away with Hronek.

[Nave]

I'm happy with the trade. Making this trade makes us comfortable with taking a top forward prospect that falls to us. This is one of the best drafts in years as far as forwards--defense, not so much. If we didn't make this trade, we would have felt screwed if Sandin-Pellikka or Reinbacher were off the board (as I am starting to suspect they will be). Who would we have drafted then... Willander? 

I'm not seeing anyone mention that it wasn't Hronek for a 1st and 2nd, it was Hronek and a 4th for a 1st and 2nd. We now have 5 picks between the 3rd and 4th rounds. We can recoup the 2nd lost in a trade, or go for volume and have more shots at the dartboard. The trade wasn't made in a vacuum.

Hronek is now our 2nd best defenseman behind Hughes, and I think he's going to prove his worth next season. Even in those 3 games he played with us, we looked like a better team.

Edited May 17, 2023 by Nave

[Coconuts]

4 hours ago, Alflives said:

isn’t that Moore kid a centre? Best skater in the draft. 

He is, he'd be a good get if he dropped to us, certainly.

 

Should have a number of centers who could potentially drop to us or be available at our slot in: Moore, Wood, Dvorsky, Leonard, Yager, maybe even Danielson. If one or both of Sandin Pellikka or Reinbacher jump that'd bump a player or two down. 

 

3 hours ago, stawns said:

They definitely need a C at #11, imo.  I'm hoping Dvorsky drops, but I'd be good with Moore as well.  I'm not sold on Wood's skating ability 

I can't say I've paid close enough attention to gauge who'd be the best pick, but I'm bullish on us grabbing a center. I know it's easy to get caught up with the current roster but times flies and we'll need a Miller replacement eventually. It'd be nice to develop a team/cost controlled top six center. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Coconuts

[McBackup]

I am reserving the right to withhold judgement until later. I think its far too early to tell and isn't right to pass judgement until he plays more than a few meaningless games for us (and what his following contract looks like). 

 

Overall I'm not super keen on the trade but am choosing to remain cautiously optimistic.

[spook007]

6 hours ago, Rick_theRyper said:

You lost me at one of the best forward groups, we have half a cupboard full of maybes, Boeser.. enough said, can Kuz score 30+ again? He barely had minutes with the new coach keep that in mind, red hot Horvat is gone, Miller is on a New big time retirement contract which almost always see dipps in production.. will he ever score close to 100 again? Man the list goes on. Garland comes to mind it's crazy we're banking on a lot of what ifs. Other than Petey And Hughes (and Demko) this team is close to being on the decline in every other aspect. This season could easily be a disaster if Hornek has a career season and wants a big payday and gets it, we will continue to be a cap pressed team with a fringe playoff group. Not cool. In my books anyways. They need to shed salary and ice a competitive team. They need to regroup and try again. This is far from a top forward team in the NHL. Last year shows what we have isn't good enough. Imo all we've done is swap a great center with a 60 point consistency for a 20+ point defensemen who can eat mins. Call that par. I think we shouldnt be satisfied with what we're going into next year with at all...

Decline? Kuz is in decline? What makes you think, he won't score 30+ goals again?

We have Kuz for 2 more seasons at $5.5M...

If he continues to score as last season, he'll cost a lot more going forward. So they need to push now, while he is here on a reasonable contract. If they want to regroup, they may as well trade Kuz after his impressive first season. 

I wouldn't say Mika is on decline neither. Nor Garland or Beau? (Garland and Beau just paid too much, for what they bring).

 

If Hronek has a career season, and wants more than management thinks he is worth, he'll get traded again. Shouldn't be hard to find suitors to a Top 4 RHD with a career year. 
 

Time to see if QH and Petey with Demko can carry the team or not. 
 

If they can't get a total rebuild started and sell everything, but waiting for some draft picks to maybe work out or for the cap to be in a better position is just wasting more of Peteys and QH's years. 
 

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by spook007

[dougieL]

16 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If you think Hronek is mostly a PP specialist, then you obviously haven't watched him play to be honest...

 

And yes, I am very happy with the trade as Hronek is a legit top 4 Dman who can play in all situations.  The 18th overall pick won't even be in the lineup for 4 years...

See this is the type of comment that doesn't reflect reality. If it did, Steve Yzerman would be an absolute idiot.

 

Hronek costs significant cap space; a draft pick/prospect costs very little. The trade should be viewed in terms of:

 

Would you rather have Hronek's cap space (which you can use to presumably get a guy in free agency or at significantly reduced trade cost) + a first and second round pick, or would you rather have Hronek? View like this, it's not nearly as much of a slam dunk as many people here seem to think it is.

 

If there was no such thing as cap space, I agree...this trade would probably be a win for us. But...just take a look at what it has cost teams to move cap space.

[spook007]

6 minutes ago, dougieL said:

See this is the type of comment that doesn't reflect reality. If it did, Steve Yzerman would be an absolute idiot.

 

Hronek costs significant cap space; a draft pick/prospect costs very little. The trade should be viewed in terms of:

 

Would you rather have Hronek's cap space (which you can use to presumably get a guy in free agency or at significantly reduced trade cost) + a first and second round pick, or would you rather have Hronek? View like this, it's not nearly as much of a slam dunk as many people here seem to think it is.

 

If there was no such thing as cap space, I agree...this trade would probably be a win for us. But...just take a look at what it has cost teams to move cap space.

... get a guy in free agencyor at significantly reduced trade cost...?

 

Sorry, are you saying the JR/PA, who have been GM'ing for years just traded for a player using a 1st and a 2nd they could just have gotten cheaper in free agency?

 

And how are you exactly going to do that? 
Think its been proven several times in this thread, what the going rate is for a good rhd. 
 

FA is where we got Myers...

 

Do agree that its possible to get a player in FA but not cheaper, and more likely not at the same stature. 

[wai_lai416]

the Hronek trade i think is horrible not because hronek is a bad player.. but the timing of the trade.. we needed more of a top pairing shutdown defenceman and hronek doesn't exactly fit the description.. also we are buying high on a player that's "injured" who knows if he'll come back 100% the same.. he's coming off multiple injuries.. the concussion in december and the shoulder injury. we easily could have waited to make that move in the summer.. or at the draft... or there could be other players available after the playoff.. maybe teams are looking to shake up their teams.. but instead we buy high on hronek paint ourselves into the corner again with cap.... they want to make the hronek trade? that's fine. MOVE OUT CAP first.. a lot of us still lives in the fantasy land thinking there'll be plenty of teams lining up to take the garlands myers boesers off our hand for free.. so you think garland and boeser are trash?? well other team probably think the exact same. myers even at 3mil is a liability he brings nothing offensively and he can't play defence and 3mil is way too much for a bottom pairing defenceman which is what he'll be on any decent looking team.

[Timråfan]

3 hours ago, dougieL said:

See this is the type of comment that doesn't reflect reality. If it did, Steve Yzerman would be an absolute idiot.

 

Hronek costs significant cap space; a draft pick/prospect costs very little. The trade should be viewed in terms of:

 

Would you rather have Hronek's cap space (which you can use to presumably get a guy in free agency or at significantly reduced trade cost) + a first and second round pick, or would you rather have Hronek? View like this, it's not nearly as much of a slam dunk as many people here seem to think it is.

 

If there was no such thing as cap space, I agree...this trade would probably be a win for us. But...just take a look at what it has cost teams to move cap space.

 

1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

the Hronek trade i think is horrible not because hronek is a bad player.. but the timing of the trade.. we needed more of a top pairing shutdown defenceman and hronek doesn't exactly fit the description.. also we are buying high on a player that's "injured" who knows if he'll come back 100% the same.. he's coming off multiple injuries.. the concussion in december and the shoulder injury. we easily could have waited to make that move in the summer.. or at the draft... or there could be other players available after the playoff.. maybe teams are looking to shake up their teams.. but instead we buy high on hronek paint ourselves into the corner again with cap.... they want to make the hronek trade? that's fine. MOVE OUT CAP first.. a lot of us still lives in the fantasy land thinking there'll be plenty of teams lining up to take the garlands myers boesers off our hand for free.. so you think garland and boeser are trash?? well other team probably think the exact same. myers even at 3mil is a liability he brings nothing offensively and he can't play defence and 3mil is way too much for a bottom pairing defenceman which is what he'll be on any decent looking team.

You two is talking about cap problems.

How does it look the coming season? 
How much over are or how much do you two think we’re over the cap?

[Nuxfanabroad]

Prefer to view it as Bo & our 2nd, for

 

Hronek, Beau, Raty & a 4th

 

Be nice if they could trade Beauvillier for a solid pick(2nd?), then could sign Hronek to a reasonable AAV. To some degree, the jury's still out.

 

However if these 2 deals were all lined up & you went back in time, would certainly pull the trigger again.

[stawns]

11 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

How long has Woo been developing for? How many years now? You can perceive how I’m “making it sound” all you want, but it’s not as if the coaches before we absolutely trash. Frankly, I’d love for him to take the next step and become a physical force on the backend. Not holding my breath, but will gladly eat crow if he does. 

A combination. Steady but unremarkable. He needs to do whatever it takes to separate himself from the chaff. Hopefully both make a splash this fall. 

How much did you watch Abby this season?

[D.B Cooper]

Well, Petey, Hughes and Demko aren’t going to continue to stay here to lose and they aren’t getting any younger.  
 

The picks sent for Hronek won’t be in the league for what….. 4 years?   If they make it at all.  
 

By the description given, the OP obviously hasn’t watched Hronek play at all, and that’s fine…….  But it is dumb to have such strong negative opinions when you don’t know what the heck you are talking about.  
 

Are we a winning team?   Nope. 
Did we need someone like Hronek?  Yup. 
 

Before the trade, we had 1 top 4 dman. 
Now we have 2.    Can’t be that bad an idea.