DownUndaCanuck Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Yzerman cooking, buy low on Debrincat. He's not the type of forward I'd want to build around but that team lacks a pure goal scorer, and it didn't cost much. I like Kubalik though to be honest and the prospects may never play in the NHL but the first is hard to give up, surprised by that. Yzerman wants to go for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckwings Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, grandmaster said: So I guess signing a contract in this era means nothing in today’s NHL. It’s pretty disgusting that this is becoming more common. The NHL certainly has changed. RFAs has more control than ever because teams can't afford to let high profile players on their roster sit and definitely can't let them walk before they become UFAs. Maybe it's not so bad that Canucks are drafting more European players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Yzerman cooking, buy low on Debrincat. He's not the type of forward I'd want to build around but that team lacks a pure goal scorer, and it didn't cost much. I like Kubalik though to be honest and the prospects may never play in the NHL but the first is hard to give up, surprised by that. Yzerman wants to go for it. That's odd considering he traded Filip Hronek for ASP and another pick. Why would he do that if he's going for it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: That's odd considering he traded Filip Hronek for ASP and another pick. Why would he do that if he's going for it? I figure he didn’t want to commit on Hronek long term. Perhaps didn’t see that sort of fit with the D-core too. Redwings also have some pretty nice D prospects even before drafting ASP. Johansson(2019 2nd) and Wallinder(2020 2nd) both put up 25+ seasons each in the SHL as under 21 year olds. They also have Tuomisto(2019 2nd) who had a great year in the men’s league in Finland. Tuomisto and Wallinder are making the NA jump next year, could surprise or may take time to adjust like Johansson. And finally Edvinsson(2021 6th overall)who just finished his first year of NA and will perhaps make the jump next year in the NHL. All these D are big, young, high draft picks on the cusp. Overall redwings have one of the best D-core prospect pools in the league. They could afford to move Hronek. They likely didn’t want to re-sign him at the price he was looking to get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Seems like the Redwings did an actual retool/rebuild on the fly. They’ve revamped their roster and have a whole bunch of youngsters on the way. Having a top 5 prospect pool definitely helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: That's odd considering he traded Filip Hronek for ASP and another pick. Why would he do that if he's going for it? I think he's doing a it of retooling on the fly as we sort of did - trade one decent player for picks (a bit like how we dealt Bo for picks/prospects) and then pay that pick/prospect forward to get a decent player. All comes down to not wanting to re-sign the star - same thing we did with Bo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I think he's doing a it of retooling on the fly as we sort of did - trade one decent player for picks (a bit like how we dealt Bo for picks/prospects) and then pay that pick/prospect forward to get a decent player. All comes down to not wanting to re-sign the star - same thing we did with Bo. Except Detroit doesn’t have any elite players left after trading Hronek. He was their best player and was keeping them in the middle of the standings with his great play. Yzerboy knew he had to move Hronek in order to tank for a higher pick in hopes of finding elite guys in the draft. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: Seems like the Redwings did an actual retool/rebuild on the fly. They’ve revamped their roster and have a whole bunch of youngsters on the way. Having a top 5 prospect pool definitely helps. Detroit sucks pucks. Yzerboy gets the axe soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Dear Stevie, For the low, low price of Wallinder, and a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd Rounder you can get from Vancouver. Garland, Hoglander, and Rathbone and NJ's 4th rounder! Act now! Don't miss this great offer!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Does anyone know the conditions of the first round pick Detroit gave up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 hours ago, JamesB said: The Sens did not get a lot for a player of Debrincat's calibre, but something is better than nothing. Kubalik is a middle-6 winger with a reasonable cap hit, but he is a UFA after this year. And middle-6 wingers do not have a lot value in the current market, as Canucks fans know. Sebrango looks like a longshot to ever be an NHL regular. He is only 21, so it is early, but his performance in the AHL was underwhelming last year and he spent half the season in the ECHL. So, basically, it is Debrincat for the lower of the Boston and Ottawa first round picks in 2024 and a 4th round pick. If Debrincat returns to being a 40-goal scorer this trade will look good for Detroit. But overall, I see this a pretty close to a fair value trade. Yes we know what the middle 6 market is, but we also how hard it is to move capspace. However, In the past few years, there was a big change how UFA were perceived. Of course, you want all stars players locked up with term, but the others? That flexibility of letting a middle 6 player walk is gold for cap management. 5 years ago, GMs didn’t want to touch a rental player with a 10 foot pole. Now, they don’t want middle 6 players like Garland and Boeser who has term left. Pretty big shift in philosophy. IMO, the “biggest” return for the Senator is they get to use that Debrincat money in someone else, whether it’s a trade or UFA signing next summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 hours ago, EddieVedder said: One of the most one dimensional players in the league. Sens won this one 1 dimensional or not, he does his job well. His job is to score goals, and he does that very well. If that prospect and those picks don't amount to much, then the Sens acquired a 15 to 20 goal guy for a 30 to 40 goal guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boziffous Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 As small as Debrincat is he has proven to be very durable, having missed only 4 games during his six years in the NHL. All 4 of those games missed were due to having COVID during 2019-20 season. He's scrappier than you would expect for a guy his size and also has a good work ethic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, rekker said: Does anyone know the conditions of the first round pick Detroit gave up? It’s been posted back on page 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Detroit has the strangest forward Group trading Hronek but acquiring debrincat, signing compher and holl holl sucks compher and copp aren’t good enough for the roles they will be asked to play Line up looking mighty mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, R3aL said: Detroit has the strangest forward Group trading Hronek but acquiring debrincat, signing compher and holl holl sucks compher and copp aren’t good enough for the roles they will be asked to play Line up looking mighty mid It’s a strange group for sure. Some nice pieces and I get what he’s doing cornering the market on overpaid 3Cs in Compher and Copp. They’re luxury UFA pickups but the best you can do without giving up assets while Kasper and Danielson cook. They’re a classic team where fans look at the prospect pool with rose coloured glasses. Pop that D prospect pool + Kasper into the line up at their ceilings and you’ll drool. As Canuck fans I think we know how unlikely and messy that progression can be. If it happens, sure, maybe Stevie Y is cooking a contender but I think even he knows he’s got some work to do as it stands. Edited July 10, 2023 by ilduce39 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 15 hours ago, Caboose said: Wow Pierre Dorion looking like a real idiot here. Nope. He got something, and didn't waste his cap space either. Yzerman is losing some lustre. Just as I predicted when he left TB. It's a lot harder to look like a great GM, when you're dealing with a rebuild. Debricant is a small guy who just maybe, maybe was padding his stats with a HHOFer. Won't be the first time i've seen that. The only thing that Dorion did wrong, was been fooled into thinking Debricant is a play driver in the first place. In that regard, you're right. JB also cut bait with Schmidt, this is the same sort of thing, just a higher profile forward. Would you sign Debricant for that to play for the Canucks? Maybe you're right. Dorion has done a better job than JB ever did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Kubalik is the most sens trade guy ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: That's odd considering he traded Filip Hronek for ASP and another pick. Why would he do that if he's going for it? It's called selling high on a player... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Sens, like the Flames, were in a lose situation and tried to make the best out of a whiny baby situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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