ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Yung1 said: I really don't like using this kind of logic to determine which line a player is capable of playing on. It totally ignores the fact that half the teams don't make the playoffs and thus do not have capable players playing on appropriate lines. If we were to use this logic, the correct way to do it is to say that the top 15 players for each position statistically are capable 1st line players. Anyone below is theoretically not a 1st line player on a playoff team, for example. Exactly it’s like saying they’re 31 number 1 goalies in the league because there are 31 NHL teams. We all know that not every team has an actual #1 goalie. So it doesn’t make sense to try taking the number 40th ranked goalie, comparing him to the 31st ranked and then claiming that the 40th ranked guy is basically a #1 goalie because his stats are close. Add in the fact players move up and down the line up, players can move from left wing to right wing to center. For example, cap friendly list Goldy as only LW, but Goldy plays both wings and is listed on NHL.com, hockey DB and even canucks.com as a RW. But…if you keep him as a LW and use the same flawed logic that was done with jake. Well.....Goldobin amongst all LW according to cap geek. 70th in all points 44th in points per game 63rd in points per game 23rd overall in best cost per point 15th overall in best cost per assist So it goldy a top 6 winger? No. Heck we’re debating if he’s waiver bait or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Yung1 said: McDavid and draisaitl were both top 5 in scoring league wide so idk what you're talking about there. EP was 26th in PPG amongst centers and was on a non-playoff team, which proves my point. Hey! Don't you dare use stats, to prove your point! Edited September 24, 2019 by janisahockeynut 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yung1 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Hey! Don't you dare use stats, to prove your point! sorry boss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I was a big fan of Virtanen. Am steadily losing that. If he doesn't pick it up early in the year I would not be surprised if he does get traded. I would have included him in a package in a second to get Faulk but I doubt we had what they wanted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted September 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2019 I was watching a video of Canucks fans celebrating during our 2011 run and guess who I see... a baby faced Virtanen walking into the shot haha 1 1 1 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said: I was watching a video of Canucks fans celebrating during our 2011 run and guess who I see... a baby faced Virtanen walking into the shot haha Sorry, but I call fake news. If this is supposed to be Abbotsford, where are the horses and buggies? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 I really liked Jake's game tonight. I think it is his best of the preseason (including the game he score 2 goal. He seemed to be skating real strong and was stronger along the boards with the puck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobo1763 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Alright folks.. What is the verdict? Is this the year for him? I'd say if he doesn't hit 20 goals and 40-45 points to let him go next year. He is going to ask for too much money. Thoughts? Flame away as well as I know some of you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master 112 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, bobo1763 said: Alright folks.. What is the verdict? Is this the year for him? I'd say if he doesn't hit 20 goals and 40-45 points to let him go next year. He is going to ask for too much money. Thoughts? Flame away as well as I know some of you will Well, now that you said that, I'm not going to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, bobo1763 said: Alright folks.. What is the verdict? Is this the year for him? I'd say if he doesn't hit 20 goals and 40-45 points to let him go next year. He is going to ask for too much money. Thoughts? Flame away as well as I know some of you will Why do you think he is going to ask for too much money ? And why do you think he has any leverage as an RFA next year ? "Let him go" is an extreme waste of assets His cap-hit is a reasonable 1.25 million for what he brings to the table. Of course we expect and want more production out of him as a 6th overall pick that is physically gifted with high potential, but with him being born in 1996 he still has time to figure it out imo and since this thread is kind of redundant with the other Jake Virtanen hate thread... I just found this eye popping list of top agents to share, Jakes agents is #12 https://puckpedia.com/agents Pat Brisson must be loaddded with all these contracts under his belt $1 billion total value, $172 AAV worth of contracts 1 Pat Brisson CAA Sports LLC 51 $1,042,207,495 $172,294,165 Edited September 26, 2019 by Chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, 112 said: Well, now that you said that, I'm not going to. Got 'em, coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 6/28/2014 at 7:54 AM, Shinkaruk_9 said: Lol Virtanen is going to be a beast for us. He is physical, fast, has competitiveness, and has one hell of a shot. We got better today Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Really hoping that Jake has a great start to the year, and see if he can battle through his consistency issues. One of many concerns, I am sure. Must be really hard being a local and being a Canuck. Perhaps the reason for why some local born BC players never actually come back to play for their hometown. With that being said, C'MON JAKE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 10 hours ago, bobo1763 said: Alright folks.. What is the verdict? Is this the year for him? I'd say if he doesn't hit 20 goals and 40-45 points to let him go next year. He is going to ask for too much money. Thoughts? Flame away as well as I know some of you will I think Jake can definitely get 35 points this season...maybe 40 points if he can stay healthy, and semi-consistent. If he drops off like he did last year, then i think maybe a little more than the 25 points he produced this past season. And no, I don't think he will be asking for "too much money" - he's not going to be hard to negotiate with, because he really hasn't produced offensively...yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 "If we get the best Jake Virtanen it makes us a better team" - Green So how do they get him to play with urgency? How does he not pick up the work ethic of a Beagle or even Biega during practice? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free-Unit Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Personally I think Bustanen has more of a ring to it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 11 hours ago, bobo1763 said: Alright folks.. What is the verdict? Is this the year for him? Guess you'll have to wait until the season is over. 11 hours ago, bobo1763 said: I'd say if he doesn't hit 20 goals and 40-45 points to let him go next year. He is going to ask for too much money. He's going to ask for too much money based on what exactly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtzguy Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 10:05 PM, Setyoureyesontheprize said: I was watching a video of Canucks fans celebrating during our 2011 run and guess who I see... a baby faced Virtanen walking into the shot haha How the hell did you even remember or find this? O.o 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 12:32 PM, Borvat said: Some of these rankings and picks did not age well, others did. Bit of a crap shoot really. weren't they comparing this to the 2003 draft with the amount of dept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 57 minutes ago, Squamfan said: weren't they comparing this to the 2003 draft with the amount of dept They're always saying "this draft is the next big one" I think the last really solid draft class was Horvats/Mackinnons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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