Are you Pro-mask or Anti-mask?

[DrJockitch]

47 minutes ago, CanuckinEdm said:

Neither, I think the masks do little to nothing unless they are properly fit to your face and taken off and put on in a proper fashion ect. But I wear one cause we are required, the only inconvenience is my glasses fog up.

 

 

I wrote about this in another thread but will try to repeat here.  Your statement is both true and false depending on what you are studying and what your perspective is.

When you look at the perspective of a health care worker that is in a high risk environment and are asking the question is this protecting the mask wearer than you are correct, a poorly fit mask may actually be harmful.  An inappropriately fit mask will increase the rate of airflow through the gaps and may increase the risk of viral exposure. This is why health care professionals get fitted, tested and certified on N95 masks every year to two years, to prepare for this eventuality.

This and the lack of PPE early on were why it was originally stated that masks weren't necessary early on.  it also was not understood how much of this was airborne droplet spread at the beginning.

Now, when you switch perspectives to public health and ask how do I protect people as a group, masks of any kind are beneficial.  In this perspective the mask is not protecting someone in a high risk environment, it is reducing the chance of producing high risk environments.  By wearing a mask we are doing our best to catch expired respiratory droplets and reduce the amount of virus in the air.  This reduces the risk for everyone.  The mask is not necessarily being worn to reduce your risk, though it likely does.  This does, however, require a certain amount of uptake to work across the community.

[JM_]

16 hours ago, Warhippy said:

im one wth outburst away from my cdc retirement papers

 

have to behave 

if you do go, go out with a bang 

[CanuckinEdm]

5 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

I wrote about this in another thread but will try to repeat here.  Your statement is both true and false depending on what you are studying and what your perspective is.

When you look at the perspective of a health care worker that is in a high risk environment and are asking the question is this protecting the mask wearer than you are correct, a poorly fit mask may actually be harmful.  An inappropriately fit mask will increase the rate of airflow through the gaps and may increase the risk of viral exposure. This is why health care professionals get fitted, tested and certified on N95 masks every year to two years, to prepare for this eventuality.

This and the lack of PPE early on were why it was originally stated that masks weren't necessary early on.  it also was not understood how much of this was airborne droplet spread at the beginning.

Now, when you switch perspectives to public health and ask how do I protect people as a group, masks of any kind are beneficial.  In this perspective the mask is not protecting someone in a high risk environment, it is reducing the chance of producing high risk environments.  By wearing a mask we are doing our best to catch expired respiratory droplets and reduce the amount of virus in the air.  This reduces the risk for everyone.  The mask is not necessarily being worn to reduce your risk, though it likely does.  This does, however, require a certain amount of uptake to work across the community.

I get it, if it reduces the risk by any amount it still reduces the risk. I just wear it so I don't get fined Marshawn Lynch style.

[86Viking]

2 hours ago, Stelar said:

ya, strange that some think having a strong immune system might make some sort of difference.  If this is how angry you are on CDC maybe you should have a look at yourself.

congrats, you joined the prestigious club

 

[Pears]

I’m pro “it’s not hard to follow basic health guidelines.”

[c00kies]

This is the true pro-life versus pro-choice debate, but this time pro-life is actually good.

[canucklehead44]

Pro mask, pro safety precautions, pro testing, anti-lockdown. One area that should be studied and communicated more is improving your immune system. There is a lot pointing to vitamin D yet so much resistance in recommending it despite vitamin D being easily accessible and dirt cheap. I am sure there is a lot more we could be doing. 

[Stelar]

9 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

congrats, you joined the prestigious club

 

if this club in the "ignored by you" club, appreciate it.

[Amebushi]

3 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

You never want to wish bad to anyone, but it is laughable that people here say "i eat organic, I eat healthy, i am fit and active" Good for you near sighted fools...its people like you who I wish would get the virus and hopefully get a bad bout of it to just show you how REAL this is. Maybe these I am too healthy to get Covid or anti mask people should get sent to some hospitals where people are hanging on to life, open the door...you can walk and breath in that amazing Covid air and see how you fair. People are just idiots, this site is literally the only form of social media I take part in and even then it is hard sometimes to read the $&!# people spew, thankfully there is an ignore button.

 

The virus doesn't just kill or severlely impact 85 year olds with numerous underlying issues let alone old age, or obese people who eat unhealthy....Would it help if everyone in the world ate healthy, and had a decent level of fitness sure! But it in NO WAY MAKES YOU IMMUNE to Covid. It has killed anyone from a child to healthy 20-30-40 year olds to the elderly.

 

People whining about their social lives being impacted or not being able to lift need to give their &^@#ing head a shake... Get over it, this is rare but life will get back to normal so do your part wear a damn mask and get the damn vaccine once it is available. If you don't, move the &^@# away maybe you were meant to be an American!

 

 

So just to clarify, you don’t want to wish bad on anyone but hope they get a deadly virus?  The judgement here is pretty thick. Perhaps some could take the high road and ask more questions...this issue is not even close to as black and white as you see it. Wear a mask, get the vaccine or move to the states!!! Come on, there is more constructive things to say than that. 

 

Masks are a pretty small ask in my opinion and I wear one everywhere as instructed, but there are some people (not nearly as many as are claiming) that can’t, I guess they should all move or die of Covid

Take the vaccine...no!  There has never been a vaccine that is mandatory and so far this is not worse than previous plagues such as polio. Until then I will retain my right to bodily autonomy until I feel safe to take it. Forcing things on people is not how a democratic society is run. I agree that the majority of people should (and eventually will) take it but threatening people to move out of the country and wishing a disease on them does not support your argument of not wanting to “wish bad” on them. 

 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

if you do go, go out with a bang 

I remember waaaaay back in the early to mid 2000's a poster knew he had burned all his/her bridges and went out in a hail of gay porn images.  It was pretty epic

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 hours ago, Heretic said:

Just some perspective for those that don't want to wear a mask.

 

In the middle ages, The Europeans of that time thought that taking a bath/washing would make you more susceptible to catching air borne plagues - the theory was, a hot bath opened your pores and then the plagues would enter your body that way!

 

How we got out of that time period is just amazing to me. 

Well the Black Death did occur during the end of the Middle Ages.  

[Sean Monahan]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

I remember waaaaay back in the early to mid 2000's a poster knew he had burned all his/her bridges and went out in a hail of gay porn images.  It was pretty epic

That’s rookie stuff. If I go out I’m doing it with double-amputee bondage porn. 

[Heretic]

7 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Well the Black Death did occur during the end of the Middle Ages.  

Yes, and what has that got to do with not washing?

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

9 minutes ago, Heretic said:

Yes, and what has that got to do with not washing?

 

Bad hygiene and poor sanitation I would assume were contributing factors in the spread of that plague but I'm no medical expert.  I know this answer sounds kind of snarky but that isn't my intent.  My apologies in advance.

Edited December 7, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan

[NewbieCanuckFan]

10 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

That’s rookie stuff. If I go out I’m doing it with double-amputee bondage porn. 

Where would you look for such stuff?  Just asking for a friend.

[JM_]

47 minutes ago, stawns said:

I remember waaaaay back in the early to mid 2000's a poster knew he had burned all his/her bridges and went out in a hail of gay porn images.  It was pretty epic

 

there are a few I'd like to see back though. LaBamba was salty as &^@# and hilarious. 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Gaudette Celly said:

 

3. 30+ peer-reviewed studies prove cloth and fabric masks do absolutely nothing to mitigate viral transfer.

do you have any links to these?

 

As for the mask box pic, that warning is so people don't confuse them with N95s. 

[stawns]

6 minutes ago, Gaudette Celly said:

*trigger warning*

 

1. COVID is a form of common cold and has proven to be nothing worse than seasonal flu.

2. Recovery rate of over 99% for the vast majority of the population.

3. 30+ peer-reviewed studies prove cloth and fabric masks do absolutely nothing to mitigate viral transfer.

4. As such, masks give a false sense of security.
5. Newer studies show masks can actually help aerosolize the virus.

6. Moistened and warmed materials -- a trap and breeding ground for bacteria and shed viral material, which is then breathed right back in.

7. No surprise, cases of pneumonia arising from persistent mask usage.

8. Dentists are seeing a rise in gum and periodontal disease from mask usage.

9. Hypoxia and hypercania yielding inevitable compromise of the immune system.

10. Carcinogenic toxins in the materials, let alone the unsanitary manufacturing standards (see video).

11. Endemic sociological and psychological issues.

12. Even if they worked, masks aren't worn correctly by the vast majority of people.

13. Liars -- we were told a 14-day contagious period, so just "lock down" for 2 weeks in March/April and it'd be over.  8 months later and it's "worse than ever"?  Every single "mandate" is made without any evidence let alone single scientific basis.  They contradict themselves regularly over and over, but people still believe whatever they say.  Such is the power of perpetually-instilled fear.
14. Says right on the box -- THEY DON'T PROTECT AGAINST VIRUSES:

 

 

Don't bother responding as I won't be checking back, so emote your cognitive dissonance openly if it makes you feel better.  I simply don't have time to debate with people who live in fear and are unable (and unwilling) to do even the most basic of research for themselves.  Truly astounding at how easily people give up the most basic liberties and love living in tyranny, believing their lying slavemasters are actually their saviours.
 

 

trigger warning?  Stupidity and providing false information is absolutely a trigger for me.  thanks for the heads up.

[Sean Monahan]

15 minutes ago, stawns said:

trigger warning?  Stupidity and providing false information is absolutely a trigger for me.  thanks for the heads up.

Followed with the self-proclaimed mic drop and refusal to engage any sort of debate. 

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, Sean Monahan said:

That’s rookie stuff. If I go out I’m doing it with double-amputee bondage porn. 

Pm me before hand, please.