Coronavirus outbreak

[Rob_Zepp]

4 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Yeah that's fair for some, but there are others that's just not the case. I guess that's more with whom my frustration lies with

We (society) are all in the same boat.    If some people drill holes in the boat (don't get vaccinated), as long as isn't too many of them we can stop them and repair the damage before it gets out of control (variants).   If we have too many people drilling holes at same time, we will eventually sink no matter how many people try and stop the drilling.     Saw an article in a German paper that one community epidemiologist estimated that roughly 1.2 to 1.4% of the population had legitimate medical reasons for delayed or non-immediate vaccination (or any at all in some rare cases) but as the world tends to be stalled in the (at best) 20% or so not being vaccinated, herd immunity may not come prior to many more (and more damaging) variants come calling.    Not getting vaccinated if you in the 99% is simply selfish.    Cheers.   

[Alflives]

18 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

Yes, I understood what you were saying.

 

The control/placebo arm is critical. The more accurate term maybe nocebo effecf. The placebo effect occurs when a placebo actually makes you feel better or improves your symptoms. The nocebo effect, on the other hand, happens when a placebo makes you feel worse.

But in either case, convincing oneself a (not known to be, of course) placebo is causing such serious problems as to quit the trial indicates issues with the the people.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Alflives

[johngould21]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Expanded health, safety measures for K-12 students:

 

Government is updating its K-12 education health and safety guidelines to require masks for kindergarten to Grade 3 students. 

 

“In-person learning is crucial for the social and educational well-being of students. The health and safety guidelines in our schools were developed under the guidance and direction of the Public Health Office (PHO) and BC Centre for Disease Control to allow children to safely attend school on a full-time, in-person basis,” said Jennifer Whiteside, Minister of Education. “We know there is a high level of concern among some parents, students, teachers and boards of education, especially in regions of B.C. where transmission rates are higher. We are listening to the concerns of people and, on the advice of the provincial health officer, taking further action so that families, students and staff feel secure.”

 

Beginning Monday, Oct. 4, 2021, all students in B.C. schools will be required to wear a mask when inside a school building, including while at their desks and on buses. This builds on the existing guidelines that currently apply to all students in grades 4 to 12. 

 

“This pandemic continues to evolve and so do we,” said Dr. Bonnie Henry, provincial health officer. “We need to make changes to fit the situation as it's arising. We know the COVID-19 virus is being transmitted more rapidly, particularly to those who don’t have the protection that vaccination offers. This extra measure adds another layer of protection as we navigate this phase of the pandemic.”

 

Beginning this month, the PHO will release a new monthly report that will inform British Columbians about the virus and how it effects school-aged children.

 

As announced in August, regional medical health officers (MHOs) may recommend additional health and safety measures in response to local and regional conditions. MHOs will continue to work with school districts to recommend any additional regional measures as required.

 

These measures build on the existing K-12 health and safety guidelines, which were developed in consultation with all education partners. The guidelines include daily health checks, hand washing, staying home when sick and improved ventilation systems. The guidelines also contain strategies for schools to help create space between people, including staggered recess, lunch breaks and class transition times, managing the flow of people in common areas, and using available space to spread people out. 

 

Government will continue to be responsive to changes in the pandemic and will continue working with parents, teachers, school districts, First Nations rights-holders and all education partners to make sure schools are safe for students, teachers, and staff. 

 

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021EDUC0059-001880

Here, here!

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Man, I wish something like this happens here.  The anti-vaxx crowd would lose it.

 

California will soon require all students in both public and private schools to get the COVID-19 vaccine once the shot is fully authorized by the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) for different age groups.

Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the new emergency order on Friday while visiting a middle school in San Francisco. The COVID-19 vaccine will now join a list of 10 other vaccinations required for children to attend school in the state.

 

https://abc7.com/california-schools-vaccine-mandate-kids-covid-vaccination-student-vaccines-gavin-newsom/11068251/

California to require eligible students in public, private schools be vaccinated against COVID-19

[thedestroyerofworlds]

So, end of the month will be the meeting for 5-11 age group's approval.  Mid-month for Moderna and J&J boosters.  I have a feeling they will go a similar route as with the Pfizer booster (65 and older).

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-hold-advisory-committee-meetings-discuss-emergency-use-authorization-booster-doses-and-covid-19

 

FDA to Hold Advisory Committee Meetings to Discuss Emergency Use Authorization for Booster Doses and COVID-19 Vaccines for Younger Children

 

 

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is announcing two upcoming meetings of its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) to discuss newly available data for the currently available COVID-19 vaccines.

VRBPAC Meeting on Janssen and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters 

On Oct. 14 and 15, the advisory committee will meet to discuss the use of booster doses of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. Both vaccines are currently authorized for emergency use to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older. The committee will also hear presentations and discuss the available data on the use of a booster of a different vaccine than the one used for the primary series of an authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine (heterologous or “mix and match” booster). 

“Vaccines are one of the most important interventions for bringing an end to the ongoing pandemic. It’s critical that as many eligible individuals as possible get vaccinated as soon as possible. Once vaccinated, we want to ensure that individuals continue to be protected against the adverse effects of COVID-19. The available data make clear that protection against symptomatic COVID-19 in certain populations begins to decrease over time, so it’s important to evaluate the information on the use of booster doses in various populations,” said Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D., director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. 

On Oct. 14, the committee will discuss an amendment to the emergency use authorization of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine for the administration of a booster dose, in individuals 18 years of age and older. 

On Oct. 15, the VRBPAC will discuss amending the emergency use authorization of Johnson and Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine for the administration of a booster dose, in individuals 18 years of age and older. 

Additionally, on Oct. 15, the committee will hear a presentation from the National Institute of Health’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases on the heterologous use of booster doses following the primary series of the three currently authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccines. 
   
During the meeting, the committee will hear presentations from the companies on the data for their respective vaccines. The FDA will also present its own analyses of each of the manufacturers’ data. There will be an open public hearing each day during which the public will be given an opportunity to provide comments.

VRBPAC Meeting on Pfizer Data on Its COVID-19 Vaccine for Children 5-11

The FDA anticipates receiving a request from Pfizer to amend its emergency use authorization to allow the use of its COVID-19 vaccine in children 5 through 11 years of age. In anticipation of the request, the FDA is moving forward with scheduling an advisory committee meeting on Oct. 26 to inform the agency’s decision-making.

“We know from our vast experience with other pediatric vaccines that children are not small adults, and we will conduct a comprehensive evaluation of clinical trial data submitted in support of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine used in a younger pediatric population, which may need a different dosage or formulation from that used in an older pediatric population or adults,” said Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock, M.D. 

The FDA intends to make background materials for both VRBPAC meetings available to the public, including the meeting agendas and committee rosters, no later than two business days before each meeting. 

The FDA intends to livestream the VRBPAC meetings on the agency’s YouTube page (Oct. 14 meeting linkExternal Link Disclaimer; Oct. 15 meeting linkExternal Link Disclaimer; Oct. 26 meeting linkExternal Link Disclaimer), which will be viewable on the agency’s FacebookExternal Link Disclaimer and TwitterExternal Link Disclaimer channels; the meetings will also be webcast from the FDA website.

[Jaimito]

 

 

[Jaimito]

1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Man, I wish something like this happens here.  The anti-vaxx crowd would lose it.

 

California will soon require all students in both public and private schools to get the COVID-19 vaccine once the shot is fully authorized by the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) for different age groups.

Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the new emergency order on Friday while visiting a middle school in San Francisco. The COVID-19 vaccine will now join a list of 10 other vaccinations required for children to attend school in the state.

 

https://abc7.com/california-schools-vaccine-mandate-kids-covid-vaccination-student-vaccines-gavin-newsom/11068251/

California to require eligible students in public, private schools be vaccinated against COVID-19

CA doing well. Population is larger than Canada. 

 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

B.C. COVID-19 pandemic update:

 

As of Friday, Oct. 1, 2021, 88% (4,079,918) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 81.1% (3,761,048) have received their second dose.

 

In addition, 88.5% (3,828,773) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose and 81.9% (3,543,318) have received their second dose.

 

B.C. is reporting 714 new cases of COVID-19, for a total of 187,694 cases in the province.

 

There are 6,317 active cases of COVID-19 in the province, and 178,980 people who tested positive have recovered. Of the active cases, 328 individuals are in hospital and 138 are in intensive care. The remaining people are recovering at home in self-isolation.

 

Note: Intensive care numbers are a subset of the total in hospital. They are not in addition to the number of people in hospital.

 

The new/active cases include:

• 274 new cases in Fraser Health
  • Total active cases: 2,353
• 73 new cases in Vancouver Coastal Health
  • Total active cases: 889
• 205 new cases in Interior Health
  • Total active cases: 1,360
• 106 new cases in Northern Health
  • Total active cases: 1,043
• 56 new cases in Island Health
  • Total active cases: 614
• No new cases of people who reside outside of Canada
  • Total active cases: 58

In the past 24 hours, 11 new deaths have been reported, for an overall total of 1,973.

 

The new deaths include:

• Fraser Health: four
• Interior Health: six
• Vancouver Coastal Health: one

There are 22 active health facility outbreaks, including:

 

long-term care:

• Willingdon Care Centre, Westminster House, The Residence in Mission, Magnolia Gardens (Fraser Health);
• Arbutus Care Centre, Louis Brier Home and Hospital (Vancouver Coastal Health);
• Cottonwoods Care Centre, Kamloops Seniors Village, The Hamlets at Westsyde, Joseph Creek Care Village, Overlander, Village by the Station (Interior Health);
• Wrinch Memorial Hospital, Jubilee Lodge (Northern Health); and
• Victoria Chinatown Care Centre (Island Health).

acute care:

• University Hospital of Northern BC (Northern Health); and
• Royal Inland Hospital (Interior Health).
• assisted or independent living:
• Sunset Manor, Menno Terrace East, Hallmark on the Lake (Fraser Health);
• Hardy View Lodge (Interior Health); and
• Cooper Place (Vancouver Coastal Health).

When available, information on school outbreaks will be posted online: 
http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/public-exposures

 

From Sept. 23-29, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 71.3% of cases.

From Sept. 15-29, they accounted for 80.8% of hospitalizations.

 

Past week cases (Sept. 23-29) – Total 5,152

• Not vaccinated: 3,311 (64.3%)
• Partially vaccinated: 3,59 (7.0%)
• Fully vaccinated: 1,482 (28.8%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Sept. 16-29) – Total 426

• Not vaccinated: 302 (70.9%)
• Partially vaccinated: 42 (9.9%)
• Fully vaccinated: 82 (19.2%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Sept. 23-29)

• Not vaccinated: 296.6
• Partially vaccinated: 98.0
• Fully vaccinated: 36.6

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Sept. 16-29)

• Not vaccinated: 44.4
• Partially vaccinated: 17.7
• Fully vaccinated: 1.9

Since December 2020, the Province has administered 7,852,885 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines.

 

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0059-001888

[Gawdzukes]

Okay I got an honest question for those more knowledgeable than myself. I keep seeing some statements in the Hamonic thread saying it doesn't matter for his immuno-compromised child if he is vaccinated or not as those vaxxed can still get it and spread it. I know this is true to some extent but doesn't being vaccinated stop you from getting it altogether sometimes or killing it off sooner, which would ultimately stop you from spreading it (to some degree at the very least)?

[-SN-]

2 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

Okay I got an honest question for those more knowledgeable than myself. I keep seeing some statements in the Hamonic thread saying it doesn't matter for his immuno-compromised child if he is vaccinated or not as those vaxxed can still get it and spread it. I know this is true to some extent but doesn't being vaccinated stop you from getting it altogether sometimes or killing it off sooner, which would ultimately stop you from spreading it (to some degree at the very least)?

In short, yes. 

[-DLC-]

Perspective.

[-DLC-]

I have to say that, as someone who works the front desk at a school, I'm so relieved that masks will be mandatory for ALL students.  Just makes sense.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/covid-19-hospitalizations-kids-1.6195371

 

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Saskatchewan

Mother of hospitalized 5-year-old says her decision not to get vaccinated was 'big mistake'

Regina boy will need continued care and monitoring for potential heart damage

Janani Whitfield · CBC News · Posted: Oct 01, 2021 5:00 AM CT | Last Updated: October 1

 

Janis Bennett's son, Maverick, ended up hospitalized last month, after contracting the virus that causes COVID-19. He was discharged this week, but his mother says he continues to have lingering symptoms. (Submitted by Janis Bennett)

A Regina mother says she's grappling with regret over not getting vaccinated sooner after her five-year-old son ended up in the hospital with COVID-19.

"If you're unsure about getting vaccinated, you should really think twice about it, because this virus is very real," said 25-year-old Janis Bennett. 

 

"And I didn't think it would get me, because I did my part in sanitizing, keeping safe, social distancing and not going out when I don't need to go out."

She wasn't sure which vaccine to get, due to high blood pressure and other health concerns. It was a delay that she said turned out to be a "big mistake."

Earlier this month, Bennett developed what she thought was a sinus infection. She was low on energy and just wanted to lie in bed, but then she lost her sense of smell as well. 

On Tuesday, Sept. 21, she woke to find her normally active, playful son, Maverick, in a very sick state. (cont'd...)

 

[allegend]

Better late than never, Deb. it was good that Dr. Bonnie followed the lead of 

the Vancouver, Surrey, and Burnaby districts.

[Ghostsof1915]

Why does it take people having to go to the hospital and being on death's door in order to make better decisions?

 

I guess society is like this. Thanks for the OP for posting this. 

 

 

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, -DLC- said:

Perspective.

Exactly, it's a total logic fail as well as understanding how the vaccine and corona work.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Looks like it won't be much longer after the FDA approves for use in 5 - 11 that Health Canada will follow.  

 

 

https://www.cp24.com/news/pfizer-submits-trial-data-on-vaccine-use-in-children-aged-5-to-11-to-health-canada-1.5608659

Pfizer submits trial data on vaccine use in children aged 5 to 11 to Health Canada

[Warhippy]

Ok I need to say it.

 

Flew from the Okanagan to San Francisco Friday.  Just landed today in Calgary returning.

 

My flight from Kelowna to van, van to San Francisco were both packed.  No rows or seats skipped.

 

Flying back today, plane was kinda half full but they still put people next to each other from San Francisco to Calgary.  I had to ask to be moved to an empty row while doing the pre flight instruction.

 

Until this gets addressed and handled properly the cross border or international infections will not stop.

 

Also, landed in Calgary saw the nucks vs jets on, nucks had over 3 minutes on the pp (no idea why) and they took exactly 1 shot that I saw... figure that mess out Green, it's been an issue for years.  Shoot the damned puck

[CBH1926]

On 10/1/2021 at 7:18 PM, Jaimito said:

CA doing well. Population is larger than Canada. 

 

 

I am glad that my home state is ranked 47 in the U.S but what is going on with Alberta?

Are they trying to emulate Florida?

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

I am glad that my home state is ranked 47 in the U.S but what is going on with Alberta?

Are they trying to emulate Florida?

As I said before, they're basically our version of Texas.  

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Anti-vaxx guy likely had asymptomatic Covid-19.   Now his career might be toast due to a heart condition. 

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-josh-archibald-indefinitely-heart-condition/

Oilers' Josh Archibald out indefinitely with heart condition