Me_ Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) Buffalo should be banned from drafting until they get their franchise back in order. They’re killing young men’s careers, and therefore, the game. The NHL has punished team out of the draft for much lesser violations. Edited August 26, 2021 by Me_ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Me_ said: Buffalo should be banned from drafting until they get their franchise back in order. They’re killing young men’s careers, and therefore, the game. this is true. They are already in last place for next year, not even trying to hide it. The cap floor is supposed to be thing that keeps teams at least being arguably competitive but thats not enough anymore. Maybe the cap floor needs to come up to force teams like this to field better teams. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: this is true. They are already in last place for next year, not even trying to hide it. The cap floor is supposed to be thing that keeps teams at least being arguably competitive but thats not enough anymore. Maybe the cap floor needs to come up to force teams like this to field better teams. For all the NHL teams that are out there, Buffalo and Arizona have to be the worst. I like the idea of raising the cap floor. But I worry they would just fill it with dead weight cap space. They are known for tanking and trying to get 1st overall. That needs to stop too. Nobody wants to even play there it seems. Which is sad because I remember the height of the franchise and the good years they had. Lafontaine, Peca. Hasek, the run to the finals. Those were some great years for the team. I grew up as a huge goalie fan, and Hasek was my favorite to watch so I used to really like the Sabres...Since then it's just been a mess. What the heck happened to this once proud team??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said: For all the NHL teams that are out there, Buffalo and Arizona have to be the worst. I like the idea of raising the cap floor. But I worry they would just fill it with dead weight cap space. They are known for tanking and trying to get 1st overall. That needs to stop too. Nobody wants to even play there it seems. Which is sad because I remember the height of the franchise and the good years they had. Lafontaine, Peca. Hasek, the run to the finals. Those were some great years for the team. I grew up as a huge goalie fan, and Hasek was my favorite to watch so I used to really like the Sabres...Since then it's just been a mess. What the heck happened to this once proud team??? I don't think many owners would bankroll pure $&!# teams for very long tho. I guess the one saving thing for Canucks fans is the 1st oa won't be going to a team in Alberta. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 8 hours ago, iinatcc said: Bringing up Detroit ... wasn't Detroit also a destination city for Free Agents? Exactly. For pro athletes, it's all about the quality of the team; not so much the city. If Buff had a good management team, the Sabres would be a very good hockey team and would be a popular destination for players. Look at Edmonton. When they were winning their cups, they had no problem signing anyone they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: I don't think many owners would bankroll pure $&!# teams for very long tho. I guess the one saving thing for Canucks fans is the 1st oa won't be going to a team in Alberta. No agreed, owners want to make money. Not toil in the basement for years while suffering in revenue loss. The Buffalo situation is interesting because it just seems like a ship at sea with out a rudder. They are totally directionless. Haha, at least we can thank Buffalo for that. Good point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: this is true. They are already in last place for next year, not even trying to hide it. The cap floor is supposed to be thing that keeps teams at least being arguably competitive but thats not enough anymore. Maybe the cap floor needs to come up to force teams like this to field better teams. Arizona: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: this is true. They are already in last place for next year, not even trying to hide it. The cap floor is supposed to be thing that keeps teams at least being arguably competitive but thats not enough anymore. Maybe the cap floor needs to come up to force teams like this to field better teams. That’s right. There’s a difference between rebuilding, trying to succeed, and blatantly not caring at all about your players. And there is a pattern with that franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: this is true. They are already in last place for next year, not even trying to hide it. The cap floor is supposed to be thing that keeps teams at least being arguably competitive but thats not enough anymore. Maybe the cap floor needs to come up to force teams like this to field better teams. Cap floor is meaningless if you can hit it with Chris Pronger, Henrik Zettiburg, Loui Player Name, OEL etc. Crap in, crap out regardless of the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I’d like to see Eichel traded to the Habs. Kotkaniemi + Romanov + 2 (conditional) firsts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: I’d like to see Eichel traded to the Habs. Kotkaniemi + Romanov + 2 (conditional) firsts. Now now. They don't need more attention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chris12345 said: Cap floor is meaningless if you can hit it with Chris Pronger, Henrik Zettiburg, Loui Player Name, OEL etc. Crap in, crap out regardless of the floor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Not suggesting it's transferable to this year and the cap hit is less but he didn't live up to the money in previous years. Edited August 25, 2021 by Chris12345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chris12345 said: Not suggesting it's transferable to this year and the cap hit is less but he didn't live up to the money in previous years. Even with the past years, there is still a difference there. Zetterberg and Pronger are not even playing anymore and Player Name was just a bad contract to begin with. At least with OEL, his "bad" years are still better than a lot of other defenders in this league. Perhaps this wasn't the intention, but I just don't think it's fair to really throw him under the bus at this point when he's starting fresh and we haven't even seen what he'll be like here. Your point could have been just as easily made without his name so there wasn't even a legitimate reason to throw him in the conversation in the first place in my opinion. Edited August 25, 2021 by The Lock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, The Lock said: Even with the past years, there is still a difference there. Zetterberg and Pronger are not even playing anymore and Player Name was just a bad contract to begin with. At least with OEL, his "bad" years are still better than a lot of other defenders in this league. Perhaps this wasn't the intention, but I just don't think it's fair to really throw him under the bus at this point when he's starting fresh and we haven't even seen what he'll be like here. Your point could have been just as easily made without his name so there wasn't even a legitimate reason to throw him in the conversation in the first place in my opinion. Yep totally. Wasn't the intention at all. Hope he does well here. Point being you can easily get to the cap floor with a mix of active high contracts and retired contracts. Clearly he is playing vs retired. My only point is you can manage to the floor without being competitive if you wanted to. Edited August 25, 2021 by Chris12345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 The cap floor rising would not impact teams being competitive. The culture of tanking and purposely losing needs to be severely punished by the league. And there needs to be serious restrictions on how often a team can pick top 3 within a 5 year period. The league needs to disincentivize tanking. And they need to come up with a far better solution as to what constitutes retirement by a player. If a player cant play anymore, especially with some mystery ailment like being allergic to your equipment or severely concussed but working in a high level job with the league, they need to be considered forcibly retired with the cap hit that goes along with it. And the same full cap hit should apply in the case of the team who signed the dumb contract and also separately to any teams that have traded for the player. Retirement and permanent ltir should be exactly the same outcome cap wise. Want to end the BS? Thats the blueprint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: The cap floor rising would not impact teams being competitive. The culture of tanking and purposely losing needs to be severely punished by the league. And there needs to be serious restrictions on how often a team can pick top 3 within a 5 year period. The league needs to disincentivize tanking. And they need to come up with a far better solution as to what constitutes retirement by a player. If a player cant play anymore, especially with some mystery ailment like being allergic to your equipment or severely concussed but working in a high level job with the league, they need to be considered forcibly retired with the cap hit that goes along with it. And the same full cap hit should apply in the case of the team who signed the dumb contract and also separately to any teams that have traded for the player. Retirement and permanent ltir should be exactly the same outcome cap wise. Want to end the BS? Thats the blueprint. They made changes to the draft lottery to combat tanking. A team cannot win the lottery more than twice in a five-year period. (Lottery wins prior to the 2022 NHL Draft Lottery are not applied towards this total.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 If you really want teams to prevent tanking, you need to have a trade deadlines by the start of training camp, rather than on late February/early March deadline day. This will force teams to field a better team with a choice, signing a wash-up vets or allowing their young players play before the start of the season rather than signing free agents that they will have no use for. except to sell assets at the deadlines. This will also force players to make their decision on whether to sign that organization is known for losing for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, coolboarder said: If you really want teams to prevent tanking, you need to have a trade deadlines by the start of training camp, rather than on late February/early March deadline day. This will force teams to field a better team with a choice, signing a wash-up vets or allowing their young players play before the start of the season rather than signing free agents that they will have no use for. except to sell assets at the deadlines. This will also force players to make their decision on whether to sign that organization is known for losing for more money. whoops, 3 star players went down with injury? might as well forfeit the season since you can't trade for reinforcements. sorry, but not a very well thought out idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, tas said: whoops, 3 star players went down with injury? might as well forfeit the season since you can't trade for reinforcements. sorry, but not a very well thought out idea. That would suck but that's the nature of the game. Maybe add a rule where you sign a free agent for one year deal is not eligible for any trade for one year and if you resign that player the one-year deal next off-season then he becomes eligible for a trade only on the same team he resign with. That would be the rule I would use to prevent teams from doing one-year deal just for trading asset if you knew that you might not be good next season. It would be the same for bubbling playoff team where they would sell their asset for picks if they fell down unexpectedly. I think that it would be a good rules for all teams and if you think you are close for the cup, it is a risky one-year deal where you cannot trade that player for one whole year just to unload that contract where it would dump their bad one-year contract on non-playoff team.. When you add this rules, all deadlines would become hockey trades, rather than buyer/seller. One thought, I might add, if any player entering in their final year of contract is not permitted to be traded once the season starts unless he is signed to a contract extension deal then he becomes eligible to be traded at anytime but I'm not sure if that idea would become accepted. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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