Pete M Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 7 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Goodness, what a bunch of two faced fans. Surely this is a parody of some sort. Some posters are showing pure fanaticism without thought. The thread is simply a rebuttal of the general tide of discontent showed by the 10's of thousands of paying fans that are not satisfied with finishing close to DFL year after year. They may not post here but they talk with their wallets and put their money where their heart is, a heart that has been abused by 3 years of untruths. I know this is summer and a boring time, but really....a statue? A parade? For what? Literally any poster here could have done the same at the draft with maybe one exception, Pettersson, so far AND made the prospect pool better the exact same way. And then another ripem up Gillis and a daring comparison to achievement's? Really it must just be a different types of troll posts/thread baiting the simple fans. Like me The game is about winning Gillis = 6 years, 5 division titles, conference title, 2 president cups, Stanley cup final, 261 wins in 451 games, .579 win percentage, Benning - 188 losses in 328 games, .427 win percentage next closest GM = combination of Quinn, Keenan, Burke = 159 losses in 328 games, .515 win percentage. Twice in 49 years has the team missed the playoff 4 years in a row. At this time, with this group of players assembled, with no choices, Linden/Benning should be lauded as the fall guys that dragged and kept the team near DFL for three to five consecutive years and will end up getting the Canucks the most top seven picks they have had in the previous 25 to 30 years. Not since inception have the Canucks had year after year of top 10 picks. It seems it was the Canucks turn to miss the playoffs for a decade and apart from the McDavid dive year, this would be year six, so four more to go, which looks about on schedule. Hey, right now I am all for having Benning/Linden running the show, but for different reason's, I think he is doing a bang up job of getting those top 5 to 7 picks and if the team gets enough of them they are bound to get some really good players, another couple of years and this team should have more top picks than the Oilers got and fewer wins too. 6/7 years of top 7 picks and top 3 2nd round picks should garner 10 to12 players 4 of which should be above average. So ya, Benning keep building the prospect pool, don't play them on the big team yet, keep the team down to get more high picks, the more good picks that aren't on the team, the better the prospect pool looks just because those players are not on the team and it does build up the trade asset pool as well. JV Boeser Tkachuk Vilardi Dobson I'm keeping track to see how they do in comparison...Nylander and Ehlers were talked about picks, but JV was a local boy with power forward potential, even though he was nursing a shoulder injury in junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 hours ago, shiznak said: Great talent evaluator, terrible contract negotiator. No GM is perfect. Doesn't Weisbrod take care of the contracts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Thank you JB For once again loading up on weak UFA's to keep our club in the race for 25th overall. Is it just a strategy to placate season ticket holders though..... I realize you walked into a tough spot taking over a club full of NTC's and guys that qualified for Seniors discount at the local Denny's on Davie St. Keep trying to prop up the club for 25th until your prospects can mature enough to lead the team. Would first overall though be a bit better than 5th overall.... ??? Really hope that Virt, Joules and Guddy are not all flops though as that will really hurt the rebuild.... Not sure if you will be able to survive the next 3-4 weak years though TBH For sure you walked into a tough spot. I for one would have preferred a fire sale though and not a pretend rebuild on the fly.... We all knew that was never going to happen and it was a bit insulting to be attempted to be sold on it. I guess ticket sales dictated the policy here in the fickle sports market of vancity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Now if they could learn to make trades that actually improve our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Do you complain how the house looks when only the foundation and frame have been built? Foundation and frame are built by different contractors than the guy who puts the roof on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 6 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Pettersson was a good pick, Boeser was just available. The difference of a brilliant/good pick is if the player is ranked much lower is selected higher and is outstanding. Pettersson was selected a few spots early so a good/brilliant pick, if he works out, which is almost guaranteed, Boeser on the other hand was ranked almost exactly where the Nucks drafted him, he just ended up being better than 100's of scouts and 25 GM's thought he would be, it isn't like he was ranked 100th and they took him at 26, he was ranked 25/26 his draft year and that year the players were drafted almost the same as ranked. Now the Hughes pick is the next question mark. That he can skate is no big deal, so could Subban, that he can score, again, so did Subban in a harder league, PP specialist, ditto Subban, defensively both had/have question marks, both are small and have/had trouble moving bigger players. Subban scored well on bad teams, Hughes has played only on good teams. So he is a wait and see yet. Wait so Pettersson was a "brilliant/good pick" because he was taken a few spots ahead of where he was ranked; yet Boeser wasn't even though he was taken the same few spots ahead of where he was ranked (26th)? See the failed logic there? Hughes' skating is no big deal? Really? That's funny because scouts seem to feel differently. They called him the best skater in the draft, with comparisons to how Orr skated. But yea that's no big deal... And no Subban and Hughes are not similar other than their size. We're talking about a 17 year old scoring in college hockey vs a 21 year old that scored in the AHL. Not really comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, CanadianRugby said: What's this racist $&!#? Living in the real world. According to you clowns the Leafs "haven't accomplished anything" because they haven't had playoff success yet, but you're ready to build statues of Benning because having the top picks in every round for multiple years he's managed to build a good prospect pool? This is the same guy that was giving away 2nd round picks and signing guys for huge long term money to make sure we got into the playoffs, only to ice the absolute worst team in the league over the last 3 seasons is he not? His saving grace is that he was so bad at building a competitive team that we got high picks to draft Pettersson, OJ, Virtanen and Hughes not to mention the guys we drafted at the top of other rounds. This is the same crowd that said losing seasons ruin prospects and that Toronto will be the next Edmonton because they tanked. Well, hate to break it to you but we're the team that more closely resembles Edmonton. Perennial bottom feeders with highly touted prospects. Let's be realistic. Benning is great at some things: Drafting OK at some things: Trading And terrible at other things: Contracts Praise our prospect pool all you want, it deserves to be praised. Thing is, same thing goes for most teams that are terrible for half a decade. In a couple of years some of these prospects will have actually lived up to expectations and will make the team and will make an impact. That's when the real work will begin in building a contender. You love to point out Edmonton and they're a perfect example that nice prospects alone don't make a good team let alone a contender. End Rant... CR, you sound like a bitter old man yelling at the TV. It’s summer relax. Plenty of time to rant and rave at training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 9 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Goodness, what a bunch of two faced fans. Surely this is a parody of some sort. Some posters are showing pure fanaticism without thought. The thread is simply a rebuttal of the general tide of discontent showed by the 10's of thousands of paying fans that are not satisfied with finishing close to DFL year after year. They may not post here but they talk with their wallets and put their money where their heart is, a heart that has been abused by 3 years of untruths. I know this is summer and a boring time, but really....a statue? A parade? For what? Literally any poster here could have done the same at the draft with maybe one exception, Pettersson, so far AND made the prospect pool better the exact same way. And then another ripem up Gillis and a daring comparison to achievement's? Really it must just be a different types of troll posts/thread baiting the simple fans. Like me The game is about winning Gillis = 6 years, 5 division titles, conference title, 2 president cups, Stanley cup final, 261 wins in 451 games, .579 win percentage, Benning - 188 losses in 328 games, .427 win percentage next closest GM = combination of Quinn, Keenan, Burke = 159 losses in 328 games, .515 win percentage. Twice in 49 years has the team missed the playoff 4 years in a row. At this time, with this group of players assembled, with no choices, Linden/Benning should be lauded as the fall guys that dragged and kept the team near DFL for three to five consecutive years and will end up getting the Canucks the most top seven picks they have had in the previous 25 to 30 years. Not since inception have the Canucks had year after year of top 10 picks. It seems it was the Canucks turn to miss the playoffs for a decade and apart from the McDavid dive year, this would be year six, so four more to go, which looks about on schedule. Hey, right now I am all for having Benning/Linden running the show, but for different reason's, I think he is doing a bang up job of getting those top 5 to 7 picks and if the team gets enough of them they are bound to get some really good players, another couple of years and this team should have more top picks than the Oilers got and fewer wins too. 6/7 years of top 7 picks and top 3 2nd round picks should garner 10 to12 players 4 of which should be above average. So ya, Benning keep building the prospect pool, don't play them on the big team yet, keep the team down to get more high picks, the more good picks that aren't on the team, the better the prospect pool looks just because those players are not on the team and it does build up the trade asset pool as well. Have you ever considered that maybe that was the plan all along? They said repeatedly that they wouldn't blown it apart with respect to the Sedins, but slowly dismantled what they could, this team was headed for the basement no matter what even the average fan could figure that out, he's running an NHL franchise for a reason, I'm sure he's intelligent enough to know more than the average fan. His media repsonse are what they are, no ones going to say we are going to stink so don't bother buying tickets for the next five years or so before we start winning again, maybe that's upset some fans who figured we could miraculously draft five franchise players in a row (without the luxury of any first overalls, or anything above 5), but that's just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: Thank you JB For once again loading up on weak UFA's to keep our club in the race for 25th overall. Is it just a strategy to placate season ticket holders though..... I realize you walked into a tough spot taking over a club full of NTC's and guys that qualified for Seniors discount at the local Denny's on Davie St. Keep trying to prop up the club for 25th until your prospects can mature enough to lead the team. Would first overall though be a bit better than 5th overall.... ??? Really hope that Virt, Joules and Guddy are not all flops though as that will really hurt the rebuild.... Not sure if you will be able to survive the next 3-4 weak years though TBH For sure you walked into a tough spot. I for one would have preferred a fire sale though and not a pretend rebuild on the fly.... We all knew that was never going to happen and it was a bit insulting to be attempted to be sold on it. I guess ticket sales dictated the policy here in the fickle sports market of vancity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 On a side note ,,,,,,,had a beer with this guy today .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: End Rant... CR, you sound like a bitter old man yelling at the TV. It’s summer relax. Plenty of time to rant and rave at training camp. You're probably right, there are much better things to yell at in summertime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, cuporbust said: On a side note ,,,,,,,had a beer with this guy today .... That kid looks way too young to have a beer with, no wonder he couldn't even walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 5 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Foundation and frame are built by different contractors than the guy who puts the roof on. Do you see forests or just individual trees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Westcoasting said: Doesn't Weisbrod take care of the contracts? Maybe, but I pretty sure Jim has some say in negotiations and has the final approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 hours ago, cuporbust said: On a side note ,,,,,,,had a beer with this guy today .... lol i feel like an idiot, was wondering what was up with that guys arm, but its just the shadow making it look funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 4 hours ago, cuporbust said: had a beer with this guy today .... I assume that is one of our players, which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said: I assume that is one of our players, which one? that's brendan morrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 20 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Goodness, what a bunch of two faced fans. Surely this is a parody of some sort. Some posters are showing pure fanaticism without thought. The thread is simply a rebuttal of the general tide of discontent showed by the 10's of thousands of paying fans that are not satisfied with finishing close to DFL year after year. They may not post here but they talk with their wallets and put their money where their heart is, a heart that has been abused by 3 years of untruths. I know this is summer and a boring time, but really....a statue? A parade? For what? Literally any poster here could have done the same at the draft with maybe one exception, Pettersson, so far AND made the prospect pool better the exact same way. And then another ripem up Gillis and a daring comparison to achievement's? Really it must just be a different types of troll posts/thread baiting the simple fans. Like me The game is about winning Gillis = 6 years, 5 division titles, conference title, 2 president cups, Stanley cup final, 261 wins in 451 games, .579 win percentage, Benning - 188 losses in 328 games, .427 win percentage next closest GM = combination of Quinn, Keenan, Burke = 159 losses in 328 games, .515 win percentage. Twice in 49 years has the team missed the playoff 4 years in a row. At this time, with this group of players assembled, with no choices, Linden/Benning should be lauded as the fall guys that dragged and kept the team near DFL for three to five consecutive years and will end up getting the Canucks the most top seven picks they have had in the previous 25 to 30 years. Not since inception have the Canucks had year after year of top 10 picks. It seems it was the Canucks turn to miss the playoffs for a decade and apart from the McDavid dive year, this would be year six, so four more to go, which looks about on schedule. Hey, right now I am all for having Benning/Linden running the show, but for different reason's, I think he is doing a bang up job of getting those top 5 to 7 picks and if the team gets enough of them they are bound to get some really good players, another couple of years and this team should have more top picks than the Oilers got and fewer wins too. 6/7 years of top 7 picks and top 3 2nd round picks should garner 10 to12 players 4 of which should be above average. So ya, Benning keep building the prospect pool, don't play them on the big team yet, keep the team down to get more high picks, the more good picks that aren't on the team, the better the prospect pool looks just because those players are not on the team and it does build up the trade asset pool as well. Most of this i agree with except the lauding of Gillis. He had a lot of the pieces in place before he got here much like Burke did in Anaheim when he went there. Burke gets way too much credit for making a no-brainer Pronger deal. Gillis did manage to find some pieces to supplement the core that he inherited but his drafting was awful. He signed an awful lot of bad contracts/Players as well. David Booth comes to mind.Kyle Wellwood, Mathew Schneider. Hindsight is always 20-20. I am impressed with what Benning has built here but we shouldn't anoint him Pope until his teams prove themselves. There is hope though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, mikeyman109 said: Most of this i agree with except the lauding of Gillis. He had a lot of the pieces in place before he got here much like Burke did in Anaheim when he went there. Burke gets way too much credit for making a no-brainer Pronger deal. Gillis did manage to find some pieces to supplement the core that he inherited but his drafting was awful. He signed an awful lot of bad contracts/Players as well. David Booth comes to mind.Kyle Wellwood, Mathew Schneider. Hindsight is always 20-20. I am impressed with what Benning has built here but we shouldn't anoint him Pope until his teams prove themselves. There is hope though. Yeah, if he had given Willy what he wanted, even though head injury concerns, and not have signed Booth, Ballard...still signed Hamhuis to go along with Willy, Erhoff, Salo, etc....but hind sight is 20/20...at the time was screaming to re-sign Mitchell and get rid of the bums...then again, if Hamhuis diidn't get hurt in the SCF....things may have been different. Build from the net out...things are starting to take shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I always though JB was very fair with his contracts. Id like to see the players live up to them. Also, at any point have the canucks been in cap trouble? Kind of defeats the pointr at issue doesnt it? If you remember Gillis's contracts- to save a few bucks half the team had NTC's and that was with a super competitive team. Im sure we would all love to see that again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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