Coronavirus outbreak

[Sharpshooter]

35 minutes ago, stawns said:

The juice would be worth the squeeze on that one, imo.  My daughter would never look at me the same if I stood by and watch it happen

[CaptKirk888]

47 minutes ago, stawns said:

The juice would be worth the squeeze on that one, imo.  My daughter would never look at me the same if I stood by and watch it happen

 

8 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Maybe just one little Superman punch?

[higgyfan]

After following this thread, for a few pages, there's just a few things I'd like to mention.

 

Herd Immunity – simply doesn't work; mainly due to the effect it has on the medical system. After a year of Covid-19 existing, no country has achieved anything close to 65-75% infection of the population. In a large population, it would be mayhem, whilst even in smaller areas, like Saskatchewan, it taxes the medical system so badly, that the hospitals and other medical services become less able to tend to the needs of non-Covid patients. Also, along with the dwindling equipment and protective gear,  as well as staff stress and consequential increase in staff infection rates.

 

Lockdown – is a term overused around here. BC has never been in 'lockdown' and as far as I can see, it is only used when the infections are continuing to multiply in spite of other restrictions that have already been applied. Usually happens in countries that have large populations where the pandemic has become hopelessly out of control and the medical support is collapsing. They have to hammer down the curve as quick as possible.  Once the effort has reached its mark, the country is slowly opened up to avoid the potential of a financial collapse (and then the dance begins again).  Right now, the only way to stop the repetition, is a reliable vaccine.  Unfortunately, there needs to be enough compliance in the nation(s) to reach herd immunity (over and above the efficacy of the vaccine.

 

What kids learn in school – Think about it. An education is so much more than learning the academic requirements. If you don't get that, just find a teacher and ask them.  Also, studies of children living in long term lockdowns has substantial increases in anxiety, depression and a regression in development.

 

Elders in long term care - These facilities should never have been allowed to deteriorate to what they are now.  Shameful and outrageous for a privileged country like Canada.  Canadians need to make themselves loud and clear to the elected parliamentarians.

[DrJockitch]

4 hours ago, Tystick said:

Very nice.

So actually it is hundreds of thousands every year: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914

So looks like you're the one spreading misinformation.

I am looking out for my community because I don't want to see people living in fear which is associated with lowering ones immune system: https://www.simplypsychology.org/stress-immune.html#:~:text=When we're stressed%2C the,lowers the number of lymphocytes).

But no sense in arguing with someone that has made up their mind and is ignoring the facts, right?

Your argument is that the flu may possibly kill 650k people a year while the coronavirus has killed at least 1.4M so far as it is just getting into the second wave. 
The irony here is that your argument is most suited an argument for why you should get the flu shot as well as the coronavirus shot. 
ICUs don’t get overwhelmed with the flu every year. They get busier but they don’t have to shut down elective procedures. 
Look at what is happening across the US now and what happened in New York, Italy and Spain in the spring.  This is not the yearly flu and any argument that uses the seasonal flu as a reasonable comparator is a fallacy. 
Even if Covid’s mortality rate were similar to the flu, which it is not, its infectivity would still make it multiple more times more deadly than the average seasonal flu. 
This is more like the flu of 1918 with modern medicine and more effective social distancing/mitigation strategies. 
I can guarantee you that the people spewing false crap about coronavirus, refusing to wear masks and refusing to even consider immunization will cause more stress to people living in the real world with reasonable concerns about COVID.  If that is your real concern. 
My suspicion though is that you are one of these man babies that doesn’t like to be told what to do and would rather see grandma die righteously than have a sore arm for a couple of days.  

[Stelar]

22 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Your argument is that the flu may possibly kill 650k people a year while the coronavirus has killed at least 1.4M so far as it is just getting into the second wave. 
The irony here is that your argument is most suited an argument for why you should get the flu shot as well as the coronavirus shot. 
ICUs don’t get overwhelmed with the flu every year. They get busier but they don’t have to shut down elective procedures. 
Look at what is happening across the US now and what happened in New York, Italy and Spain in the spring.  This is not the yearly flu and any argument that uses the seasonal flu as a reasonable comparator is a fallacy. 
Even if Covid’s mortality rate were similar to the flu, which it is not, its infectivity would still make it multiple more times more deadly than the average seasonal flu. 
This is more like the flu of 1918 with modern medicine and more effective social distancing/mitigation strategies. 
I can guarantee you that the people spewing false crap about coronavirus, refusing to wear masks and refusing to even consider immunization will cause more stress to people living in the real world with reasonable concerns about COVID.  If that is your real concern. 
My suspicion though is that you are one of these man babies that doesn’t like to be told what to do and would rather see grandma die righteously than have a sore arm for a couple of days.  

Good god. 1271 pages later and we still have to argue that this isn’t like the flu. I weep for humanity. 

[-DLC-]

Hey, Walmart anti masker:

[Amebushi]

2 hours ago, Sharpshooter said:

Many is not most or major sources of transmission. 

Do tell...what constitutes a “major” source?  Since you are an expert, please share how many are acceptable?  

[Sharpshooter]

3 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Hey, Walmart anti masker:

Thats still one of my fave Bieksa moments. 
 

I miss the Bieksa Thread. Those were good times. I never faltered in my man-crush then and never will. One of the highlights of my life was speaking to him at Pearson Int’l, after the Nucks were kicked out of the playoffs. 
 

What a decent and salt of the earth guy he was/is. Will always hold him up as one of my top 3 all time fave Nuck. 

[Sharpshooter]

2 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

Do tell...what constitutes a “major” source?  Since you are an expert, please share how many are acceptable?  

More than many. 

[Warhippy]

On 11/25/2020 at 6:05 PM, Chris12345 said:

Interestingly enough...I'm massive. I'm on your side. When I walk in the dust usually settles. 

 

I can't wait to drop hammers.

It's actually sad as hell mate.

 

Like, I get the not wanting to wear a mask.  I hate it.  

 

But every single day, new videos of people full on assaulting or spitting on employees of businesses for literally just saying sorry, you must wear a mask.

 

Whether a person is pro or anti mask...if you're going to abuse the people literally at the end of their ropes, underemployed and underpaid for putting up with everything through Covid we're gonna have a problem whether I'm capable of it or not.

 

People suck

[Warhippy]

6 hours ago, Mackcanuck said:

Things are getting hot in Alberta concerning leaks on rumors of Jason Kenney has overruled Dr. Hinshaw 

 

 

Amazingly the same Albertans that cheered Wilson Raybould for recording those private conversations between her and the Trudeau cabinet are now pissed off that someone would dare do this...

 

They're the same people that cheered after the UCP took away the right to strike, right to assemble, and right to deny infrastructure projects on your own land; but are now claiming mask mandates are in fact a loss of freedoms...

[Warhippy]

6 hours ago, Tystick said:

I'll go with the extremely good odds that are in my favor, versus the fraction of a percent that I might die.

I don't live my life in fear.

You're afraid of a mask, a vaccine and basic rules to protect people though

 

Hmmmm

[Warhippy]

5 hours ago, Tystick said:

So I can't gain natural immunity with my immune system? I MUST take a vaccine?
What's the science behind that?

Strongly suggest you go to any ICU where people are infected with Covid, lying on their stomach and being intubated and ask to be infected with it.  That way you can waive your right to medical care and build your immunity.

 

problem solved  

[Warhippy]

4 hours ago, Tystick said:

What a great way to frame things for those seniors.

Sorry seniors, you're going to have to stay in isolation with no human contact, we'll treat your suicidal feelings eventually, because otherwise you're going to 100% get a violent pneumonic reaction and die.

Make sure you watch lots of CNN, never question what you are told, and DON'T work towards strengthening your immune system, that's dangerous misinformation.

 

Okay I think I got it guys. Makes sense.

Flip side of your statement.

 

What a great way to frame things for seniors.

Sorry seniors.  Some people refuse to wear masks, social distance, quarantine or take precautions.  As such because of their selfishness you'll have to stay in isolation with no human contact.  We'll treat your suicidal feelings eventually, but don't worry.  people that inherently selfish won't care though, so long as they can have their precious freedoms.

 

Make sure to watch lots of FOX, question everything medical experts tell you and instead believe guys named Chuck with degrees from Facebook Comments Section University and DON'T believe  in any of the medically suggested ways to protect yourself because it's a leftist plot to make you a sheeple.

 

 

[Sharpshooter]

5 hours ago, Amebushi said:

OK, now for a real scenario. Imagine not being able to visit your otherwise “spry” grandmother when she decides to kill herself rather than be locked down again. 
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/health/2020/11/19/1_5197140.html

I get the need to protect people, but there is a point where it’s going to far. I for one would rather accept some risk (not fighting over masks, sanitizing etc) close some non essential things as needed but will fight for my right to see my family. Too far in either direction is simply wrong. 

You’re for taking the risk of seeing your family but you want mandatory masks in schools?? 
 

You’re the type of person/mentality that brings the virus into schools. Socializing outside of schools is what is brining the virus into schools. 
 

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. 

[kingofsurrey]

6 hours ago, BPA said:

Putting on my conspiracy hat...

 

Maybe they want that to not pay overhead costs for operating a school.  Maybe reduce amount of teachers in AB.

 

Cuz AB is looking financially bad.  Didn't they lay off a whole bunch from the health sector?  This may be a cost saving solution to them.

Or maybe Alberta cares about the long term health of their students....  or maybe Alberta realizes the kids are bringing  Covid home and infecting parents and grandparents...... spreading covid throughout their communities......   or maybe because Alberta has decided to follow current research / SCIENCE>.....

[Sharpshooter]

23 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Strongly suggest you go to any ICU where people are infected with Covid, lying on their stomach and being intubated and ask to be infected with it.  That way you can waive your right to medical care and build your immunity.

 

problem solved  

The fact that he thinks his natural immunity can protect him from a coronavirus is laughable. I mean that’s the stupidest and simultaneously most hilarious thing I’ve read all day, and I read Donald Trump’s latest press briefing. 

[Sharpshooter]

Just now, kingofsurrey said:

Or maybe Alberta cares about the long term health of their students....  or maybe Alberta realizes the kids are bringing  Covid home and infecting parents and grandparents...... spreading covid throughout their communities......   or maybe because Alberta has decided to follow current research / SCIENCE>.....

Or maybe Alberta was so behind the curve that they had to enact such stringent measures. Btw, Premier Kenney has been interfering with Dr. Hinshaw which has led to their exponential Covid cases. Talk about an anti science govt. 

[J.I.A.H.N]

I am more concerned with when we get our Vaccines, than any petty squabbles, that are promoted on here

 

That is where my focus is now..........it is not that we know when they will be ready

 

But why we are not first to get them, or why we do not have a company manufacturing in Canada

 

These are questions that are so important and far greater in their impact, than KOS complaints

 

The past and present Federal Governments have let us down, and now we have to wait

 

I totally find it funny that KOS is slamming a provincial health employee, instead of talking about the Federal Liberals and Conservatives miss-management

 

We should never have been placed in this position

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by janisahockeynut

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said:

More than many. 

I do agree that schools aren't a major mode of transition, yet, but you can thank the school staff for that........admin, counsellors, teachers, EA's, custodians (especially custodians) who are stretching themselves past the breaking point to keep this all together, on top of educating.  However, as winter moves on, there will invariably be more and more cases and those people it all together are going to start to crack and when that happens it's going to get ugly.