Coronavirus outbreak

[Gurn]

7 minutes ago, stawns said:

Can you elaborate by "wake up"?

Poster is unable to understand that the covid precautions, most of have been taking, is a key to lowering both covid and normal flu cases.

 

Their mind was made up and they went and found "evidence" that backs their opinion.

[Tortorella's Rant]

Just now, stawns said:

Here's my issue..........what would you have done?  All these people crying about their loss of freedom, should the govts have just let life go on and let the virus run wild?  The US had 3200 DEATHS yesterday and they are estimating it will be 5000 deaths per day by january.........is that what these people want?

Masks and distancing as had been recommended in the first place. That is sufficient, reasonable, and doesn't infringe upon anybody. Except that wasn't properly enforced and now there is discussion of mandatory vaccine, shutting down of businesses which in most cases there is zero correlation between them and rising cases, and the prospect of you not being able to return to your daily life sometime in 2021 until you are vaccinated willingly or unwillingly.  Public opinion supported this concept of mandatory vaccination in May and that was before the peanut gallery was truly terrified; scare people enough and you can convince them to give up their freedom, you can convince them of anything. 

[Sean Monahan]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Not Covid news per se, but a consequence of the pandemic nonetheless and I have to say, I found this pretty heartbreaking:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/my-only-wish-children-asking-pet-charity-to-help-their-furry-friends-at-christmas/ar-BB1bCONq?li=AAggXBV
 

Man, Kaylee's letter had me tearing up. That stuff is hard to read.

[spur1]

24 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

 

So virtually no one gets the seasonal flu now?

How can you explain this?

Seriously guys, wake the F up!

 

So what exactly are you saying?

[Fanuck]

22 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Masks and distancing as had been recommended in the first place. That is sufficient, reasonable, and doesn't infringe upon anybody.

But clearly, as has been proven many many times, there are people who it most certainly does infringe upon - according to them at least.  And, as you mention, with no effective way to fully enforce masks across the province, then what.......? 

[bishopshodan]

31 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

 

So virtually no one gets the seasonal flu now?

How can you explain this?

Seriously guys, wake the F up!

 

That's wild. It's almost like masks and social distancing works at preventing the seasonal flu too. 

 

 

[Quinn Skates]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

Can you elaborate by "wake up"?

Something is definitely up.

They're inflating the covid numbers so it looks worse than it actually is.

It has always been the case but people don't believe it.

That data right there is a very clear proof.

How can that be explained otherwise?

 

 

[Mackcanuck]

Feds secure more Moderna vaccines, sign deal with FedEx to ship doses

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/feds-secure-more-moderna-vaccines-sign-deal-with-fedex-to-ship-doses-1.5217363

[Quinn Skates]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

Poster is unable to understand that the covid precautions, most of have been taking, is a key to lowering both covid and normal flu cases.

 

Their mind was made up and they went and found "evidence" that backs their opinion.

Nope. 

It would make sense if covid cases are decreasing together with seasonal flu, but no.

Covid cases actually rose by 8% compared to the previous 2 weeks.

So your covid precautions clearly isn't a factor here at all.

 

Covid is up, seasonal flu down.

Come in, it's not that hard to add them up 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Quinn Skates

[Quinn Skates]

41 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

That's wild. It's almost like masks and social distancing works at preventing the seasonal flu too. 

 

 

Covid is up 8%, so no.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.amp.html

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Quinn Skates

[Quinn Skates]

4 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

Feds secure more Moderna vaccines, sign deal with FedEx to ship doses

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/feds-secure-more-moderna-vaccines-sign-deal-with-fedex-to-ship-doses-1.5217363

It's all about the Benjamins 

 

[DrJockitch]

1 hour ago, Quinn Skates said:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

 

So virtually no one gets the seasonal flu now?

How can you explain this?

Seriously guys, wake the F up!

 

I can take a stab at explaining this for you. 
1.  Social distancing and masks work even better for something that doesn’t have the incredible infectivity of COVID. 
2.  Flu shot uptake this year has been good. I have been telling patients all along that if you never got the flu shot before, this is the year. 
3.  Decreased travel particularly from Asia has decreased the seeding of the flu in NA. 
4.  Less people being tested for the flu because they go get tested for COVID when they get sick. There is a bias away from flu testing as the bias for COVID testing has taken over. 
5.  It is way early in the flu season. 
6.  Nursing home transmission in particular is way down because of the social distancing and other methods. 
 

People have been using the seasonal flu foolishly as a comparator for COVID.  The impression I have taken from this is that people really don’t understand influenza and how sick that it makes you. Some of that is a language thing, people often use the descriptor of the flu for viral gastroenteritis, which I have never understood, and confounds the seriousness of the flu with a relatively minor illness. Man colds are often interpreted as the flu because we are such a whiny group that can’t believe that feeling bad could simply be a cold.   

[Amebushi]

Hey fellow Canuck fans!  I just want to give a shout-out to the mods on this page. They volunteered to moderate a forum about hockey and yet have stuck around to deal with a forum that talks about masks and vaccines more than the sport we all love. 
In addition, despite some very different opinions, the ability to hide behind a false name and all the stress of the season it is relatively civil in here. In other types of social media it’s like a war zone being dominated by crazy people (from both sides of every imaginable topic) but here I seem to be able to debate in a mostly friendly way. Thanks everyone! Now back to your regularly scheduled fighting about things well beyond our control

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

Hey fellow Canuck fans!  I just want to give a shout-out to the mods on this page. They volunteered to moderate a forum about hockey and yet have stuck around to deal with a forum that talks about masks and vaccines more than the sport we all love. 
In addition, despite some very different opinions, the ability to hide behind a false name and all the stress of the season it is relatively civil in here. In other types of social media it’s like a war zone being dominated by crazy people (from both sides of every imaginable topic) but here I seem to be able to debate in a mostly friendly way. Thanks everyone! Now back to your regularly scheduled fighting about things well beyond our control

Hear Hear!

 

I second this thought.

The mods on this site are the best.

Thanks mods for all your awesome work.

[GSP*]

25 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

Something is definitely up.

They're inflating the covid numbers so it looks worse than it actually is.

It has always been the case but people don't believe it.

That data right there is a very clear proof.

How can that be explained otherwise?

 

 

Morgues are overflowing. 
 

Hospitals are maxed out. 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Masks and distancing as had been recommended in the first place. That is sufficient, reasonable, and doesn't infringe upon anybody. Except that wasn't properly enforced and now there is discussion of mandatory vaccine, shutting down of businesses which in most cases there is zero correlation between them and rising cases, and the prospect of you not being able to return to your daily life sometime in 2021 until you are vaccinated willingly or unwillingly.  Public opinion supported this concept of mandatory vaccination in May and that was before the peanut gallery was truly terrified; scare people enough and you can convince them to give up their freedom, you can convince them of anything. 

we could have had it as masks and distancing, but the same people crying about the loss of freedoms over a mask are the same people driving us toward a shutdown.  We could have that balance if everyone had pulled in the same direction........but we didn't.  We had an element of the population who felt they knew more than medical experts and who get suckered into the ridiculous conspiracy theories about an "authoritarian reset"..........it's because those people didn't want to listen to experts that we are in the situation we are in.

 

There's one element of our country to point the finger at, and it's not the government

[stawns]

30 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

Something is definitely up.

They're inflating the covid numbers so it looks worse than it actually is.

It has always been the case but people don't believe it.

That data right there is a very clear proof.

How can that be explained otherwise?

 

 

I'm open minded, can you provide that proof?

[stawns]

27 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

Nope. 

It would make sense if covid cases are decreasing together with seasonal flu, but no.

Covid cases actually rose by 8% compared to the previous 2 weeks.

So your covid precautions clearly isn't a factor here at all.

 

Covid is up, seasonal flu down.

Come in, it's not that hard to add them up 

 

you're a little late to the party pal.  

[The Lock]

3 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

Hey fellow Canuck fans!  I just want to give a shout-out to the mods on this page. They volunteered to moderate a forum about hockey and yet have stuck around to deal with a forum that talks about masks and vaccines more than the sport we all love. 
In addition, despite some very different opinions, the ability to hide behind a false name and all the stress of the season it is relatively civil in here. In other types of social media it’s like a war zone being dominated by crazy people (from both sides of every imaginable topic) but here I seem to be able to debate in a mostly friendly way. Thanks everyone! Now back to your regularly scheduled fighting about things well beyond our control

Agreed. I also want to point out that they also leave enough room for people to debate and hash out differences. I remember my first post on another hockey forum (more tame than I normally post here even) and I got a warning. So props to the moderators here to allow for debate and not let people just "hide" behind their feelings without any debate.

[JM_]

2 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Of course it isn't. But preventing people from going about their daily lives is a form of that. You can't go to work, you can't do this, you can't do that: get the vaccine or else. That isn't sound policy at all. Global and CBC have already discussed this and while it seems "unlikely", it hasn't been ruled out completely. People should be cautious about what they put in their bodies instead especially when they don't need it of bending over backwards.

good god, no its isn't. What part of being in a once in a century pandemic is lost on people?