PunjabiCanucks Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Chabot and Trouba are younger dmen is signed at 8M, Hedman falls below at an AAV, Petry at 6.25M Now with Makar, Hieskanin,Hughes, and Fox able to sign extensions what should they get.... Fox has one more year in his ELC- yet just won the Norris. Makar and Heiskanen are more well rounded dmen. While Hughes lacks on defence in his game, he is an offensive powerhouse... personally 1)Makar, 2)Fox 3) Hughes 4) Heiskanen I believe all GMs are waiting to see what the other player signs for before they pull the plug. Makar imo deserves 8M (if it wasnt for a flat cap he may get more). Fox should get a similar contract.... Hughes imo should take a 7M x 8 yr deal, ideally 6.75M - now its hard to do that with Myers and Schmidt making 6M themselves.... Heiskanen should command the same as Hughes imo -- what are your guys thoughts, do these 4 studs deserve more then Chabot (Canadian team comparable), or more then Hedman (Who pays less tax at the end of the day). Should they say they are Josi / Pietranglo level and command near 9M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 If i was gm of all the teams id Makar 8 yr 80.752 mill Fox 8 yr 74.675 mill Hughes 4 yr 21.575 mill Heiskenen 7 yr 68.278 mill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 To think Flames threw in Adam Fox in the Hamilton trade. Should have kept Fox and traded him to NYR for those 2x2nd round picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: If i was gm of all the teams id Makar 8 yr 80.752 mill Fox 8 yr 74.675 mill Hughes 4 yr 21.575 mill Heiskenen 7 yr 68.278 mill Never get Hughes for 5.3 million X 4 yrs?? He has to be top paid D-man in Vancouver...6.6 million X 4 yrs.... Myers and Scmidt are 6 million.... Hughes will not sign under 6.6..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Hughes is the worst out of the 4 and should be paid less After the season Hughes had and the fact he doesn't have any arb rights my guess is that he signs in the 5.5-6.5M ballpark. Probably a bridge-type deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 38 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Hughes is the worst out of the 4 and should be paid less After the season Hughes had and the fact he doesn't have any arb rights my guess is that he signs in the 5.5-6.5M ballpark. Probably a bridge-type deal. Hughes is the youngest and I think he will make huge strides next year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Fox and Heiskanen will be signed long term, upwards to 8M per season. These two were unanimously the best defensemen for their clubs. Led their team in minutes played, plays in all situations, and goes up against the opposition’s top line every game. Makar and Hughes will probably sign bridge deals. With Makar signing somewhere between 5-7M, while Hughes between 4-6M. Makar has had injuries concerns, which Colorado might not be too keen on signing him long term just yet. Hughes needs to improve on the defensive side of his game, for him to get that big contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Love Hughes but offer him straight up for Heiskanen every day of the week. Better overall player, not a liability in D end. Quinn is a specialist and a very good one, Miro is an elite all rounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Drakrami said: To think Flames threw in Adam Fox in the Hamilton trade. Should have kept Fox and traded him to NYR for those 2x2nd round picks. do Calgary fans say "Bad Brad" in the same way people here use "Dim-Jim"? Edited June 30, 2021 by Jimmy McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR7 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Drakrami said: To think Flames threw in Adam Fox in the Hamilton trade. Should have kept Fox and traded him to NYR for those 2x2nd round picks. Fox made it clear to the Flames organization as well as Carolina that he was not going to sign with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Players in their late 20s like RNH are going to settle for that longer term, lower cap, to secure some financial ressources, since the cap and the market will be flat for a few years. Since they will basically miss their chance to cash in on FA market, they are going to secure longer deals. It wouldn't be beneficial for RNH to sign a 2-3 years deals now and hope he can put up good number until he's 31-32 and hit free agency then. He might gain more early, but in total probably not and it won't be garanteed. On the other hands, players like Makar, Hughes, Fox can wait it out a little bit and sign a bridge deal and cash-in on their next deal, when they are still 24-25. I'm assuming once everything restart again, there is going to a be an small economic "boom" and players will be able to cash-in. So I don't expect Hughes and all these young players to sign more than a 3-year bridge deal. Unless, a team is ready to throw crazy (McDavid/Matthews/Marner/Doughty) money at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Offensively ranking Makar Hughes Fox Heiskanen Defensively ranking Heiskanen Fox Makar Hughes While Heiskanen is the weakest offensively (based on their numbers), he also gets the least PP time amongst the 4, but he's still averaging about 40 points a season (and was nearly PPG in the playoffs last year). So solid offensively still while being a stud defensively. Fox is making a run for top defensively as he's NYR's top PK guy as well as being an offensive horse, hence the Norris nod. He's only behind the other 2 offensively due to the numbers. Quinn is by far the worst defensively and it's not even close. Hughes doesn't see a lick of PK time while Makar is relied on it a bit in a more secondary role. As of right now, if I were to look at the complete game, how they rank IMO in terms of how they should be paid is Fox (the Norris is going to be a big bump) Makar (simply because offense is over-valued IMO, but he's really good offensively) Heiskanen Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PetterssonOrPeterson Posted June 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2021 I find it funny how just a year ago, people on these forums were raving about how Hughes is going to be our amazing, generational-type defenceman and now everyone is just constantly putting him down after this abysmal year. When you have a team that's been awful, you can't just put the burden on a 21 year old kid who had spent 1 year and a half in total in this league prior to this pandemic season to anchor the defence, especially when he's adapting to new defensive partners after Tanev's departure. So everyone who's writing off this kid as being nothing but a "specialist" already, give your head a shake and give the guy some time. He's shown already what he is capable of offensively but there is so much more room to grow for him on the defensive side of things too. He might or might not end up developing that part of his game, but to write him off and treat him like some old toy that you don't want to play with anymore is both laughable and premature. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 11 hours ago, wildcam said: Never get Hughes for 5.3 million X 4 yrs?? He has to be top paid D-man in Vancouver...6.6 million X 4 yrs.... Myers and Scmidt are 6 million.... Hughes will not sign under 6.6..... Fine... $6,000,001 x 4 years. DONE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said: I find it funny how just a year ago, people on these forums were raving about how Hughes is going to be our amazing, generational-type defenceman and now everyone is just constantly putting him down after this abysmal year. When you have a team that's been awful, you can't just put the burden on a 21 year old kid who had spent 1 year and a half in total in this league prior to this pandemic season to anchor the defence, especially when he's adapting to new defensive partners after Tanev's departure. So everyone who's writing off this kid as being nothing but a "specialist" already, give your head a shake and give the guy some time. He's shown already what he is capable of offensively but there is so much more room to grow for him on the defensive side of things too. He might or might not end up developing that part of his game, but to write him off and treat him like some old toy that you don't want to play with anymore is both laughable and premature. ^^^^^My thoughts, exactly^^^^^. It shocks me to see the number of absolute/definitive comments about Quinn Hughes' lack of defensive capabilities, lack of size, being "too" one-dimensional, etc., etc. only a season after so many (some the same, some not) were ready to rename Rogers Arena to the Quinn Hughes Centre, extolling his magnificent play (especially during the playoff bubble of August 2020). I'm glad that there is still a cohort of Canucks fans who still believe Quinn Hughes will become a superstar in the NHL wearing Canucks blue and green. Like Chris Tanev stated, he expects Quinn Hughes to become the best defenceman in the NHL in the coming years. Though I don't have these sort of expectations, I have hopes for it, and would take Chris Tanev's words (I mean after all, he had the benefit of playing beside him for nearly an entire season/playoffs) over the so-called experts here on CDC. I come from a couple of generations ago, so I project Quinn Hughes to be as good, if not better than Phil Housley. Also, I project Olli Juolevi to be as good as Sami Salo, if not better; and I project Jack Rathbone to be as good as Torey Krug, if not better. So, these are the three young studs that I would be banking on (seeing how they are already Canucks property and we don't have to anguish over whether the Canucks management can acquire them or not). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Did Carolina actually trade a Norris Trophy winner for two second round picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Did Carolina actually trade a Norris Trophy winner for two second round picks? Well.... you don't have much leverage when the player publicly states that he has no intention on signing with the team. No one saw him being a Norris trophy winner before he played either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 47 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said: Well.... you don't have much leverage when the player publicly states that he has no intention on signing with the team. No one saw him being a Norris trophy winner before he played either. Calgary was smart enough to trade him when they knew he wasn't going to sign with them. They got Hanifin and Lindholm for Ferland, Hamilton and Fox. Carolina turns around and is forced to trade Fox for 2 second round picks, loses Ferland for nothing and now are on the verge of losing Hamilton for nothing. So they basically traded Hanifin and Lindholm for 2 second round picks. That's gotta be one of the worst trades in recent memory. They didn't need to make that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 4 hours ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said: I find it funny how just a year ago, people on these forums were raving about how Hughes is going to be our amazing, generational-type defenceman and now everyone is just constantly putting him down after this abysmal year. When you have a team that's been awful, you can't just put the burden on a 21 year old kid who had spent 1 year and a half in total in this league prior to this pandemic season to anchor the defence, especially when he's adapting to new defensive partners after Tanev's departure. So everyone who's writing off this kid as being nothing but a "specialist" already, give your head a shake and give the guy some time. He's shown already what he is capable of offensively but there is so much more room to grow for him on the defensive side of things too. He might or might not end up developing that part of his game, but to write him off and treat him like some old toy that you don't want to play with anymore is both laughable and premature. +1 on this. People weren't complaining about QH in the playoffs. And it's more physical then. Everybody is bashing his defensive play on this year. When you're going up against McDavid or Matthews 2/5 of the season, let's see how those other defensemen will fair. I doubt their stats would be as good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 12:29 AM, Bertuzzipunch said: If i was gm of all the teams id Makar 8 yr 80.752 mill Fox 8 yr 74.675 mill Hughes 4 yr 21.575 mill Heiskenen 7 yr 68.278 mill Curiously THN had Makar at 5, QHs at 7-8, Heiskanen the same as QHs and Dahlin 4-5....didn't explain if they were bridges or long term deals. I cringed a little when i saw QHs at that high (EP was the same but get that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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