[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.

[bishopshodan]

14 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

So, I'm totally shooting in the dark on this one, I guess Dickinson's going to take 18?

 

He has also worn 16....  but it ain't gonna be that number!

[48MPHSlapShot]

I think I might be starting to come around on using our pick for Reinhart and trying to snag a D in free agency. Considering what the higher end forwards are looking for in free agency, it makes more sense to trade for a younger, somewhat cost controlled forward. D seem to have longer shelf lives than forwards, so it doesn't scare me as much giving a Dman a retirement contract than giving a forward one.

[D-Money]

3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Kind of get Tim Schaller vibes from Dickinson. Just feels like it's not enough.

How is the free agent signing of a formerly undrafted, 28.5 year old late-bloomer with 176 career games anything like the trade for a former 1st rounder, 26 year-old with 221 games already under his belt?

 

Dickinson is a valuable player that was only available (let alone for so cheap) because of the expansion draft. Schaller was available to the highest bidder, and we were likely the only one to offer 2 x 1.9M.

[Amebushi]

1 hour ago, Convincing John said:

The problem I have is I base my opinion on what I see. CDC bases their opinion on what they hope. 
 

You are making it sound like this guy can win face offs or something. He also doesn’t even play like a centre. The only reason he is in there is because he doesn’t give up the middle of the ice. Good defensively but has no idea what to do with the puck. 
 

this isn’t football guys, you can’t just play defence and you can’t just play offence. He is a 1 dimensional player that will do nothing for offensive chemistry in the bottom 6. This guy isn’t worth a 3rd. With JB’s drafting record a third isn’t nothing. 

You must be a blast at parties with the endless optimism. There are A LOT of players in the league that really only excel on one side of the puck. Chris Tanev rarely made anything happen offensively but few will say he was useless. This is a player that has elite shot suppression stats, is great on the penalty kill and brings a skill set that we can use. Once again I will ask as you chose not to answer, what do you want?  You base your opinion on what you see, not what you hope so what do you see as a better option that is available for a third round pick?  Would we be better to put Miller in as 3rd line Center and a plug on the wing of the first line?  Lots of whining but very little as far as plausible suggestions. More moves are needed, but a team full of offensive minded players makes us the Laffs. Face offs can be taught and we have other players that can help with that too. I would rather see this move than a big blockbuster trade for a bigger name. To each their own I suppose. 

[204CanucksFan]

19 minutes ago, Convincing John said:

I can go way lower bro. Lol

 

but seriously there is too much optimism over this 1 dimensional Ryan Johnson. He really isn’t that good lol. 

Cuz it's such a horrible thing when a team that surrendered the 3rd most shots against last season goes out and acquires a 26 year old player that is one of the best forwards in the entire NHL at suppressing shots from the opposition at the cost of a 3rd round pick.

 

Does that mean that he will continue his defensive excellence with his new team? No.

 

Does that mean he will flop with his new team? No.

 

Does his past 3 seasons and fit with his new team provide ample reason for optimism? Absolutely. 

 

This a player that fills a need on the team and does it at a very high level at what should end up being a very reasonable cost. Not to mention his age that suggests he is just now reaching his physical prime. He may end up being 'one dimensional' but if he is one of the best players in the league at that one dimension that is critical in winning close hockey games then it's well worth it.

[Sbriggs]

5 hours ago, Convincing John said:

He is 26. We know what he is. 

26 year olds can still learn

[JM_]

9 minutes ago, Sbriggs said:

I'd rather use the 9thOA for a D and if we can dump some salary great

true, but I don't see many teams giving us a top pairing RHD just for this years 9th. But if we can get Sammy and unload Loui we can find a defensemen on the open market. 

[JM_]

6 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I think I might be starting to come around on using our pick for Reinhart and trying to snag a D in free agency. Considering what the higher end forwards are looking for in free agency, it makes more sense to trade for a younger, somewhat cost controlled forward. D seem to have longer shelf lives than forwards, so it doesn't scare me as much giving a Dman a retirement contract than giving a forward one.

Miller-Petey-Boser

Pearson-Bo-Reinhart

Hoglander-Dickinson-Podkolzin

 

is a pretty interesting top 9. 

[Sbriggs]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

true, but I don't see many teams giving us a top pairing RHD just for this years 9th. But if we can get Sammy and unload Loui we can find a defensemen on the open market. 

I think a 9th would be a starting point for a top 2 d man to play with QH, but Im ok with adding a prospect or maybe  a 2022 2nd

[Amebushi]

1 hour ago, Convincing John said:

The problem I have is I base my opinion on what I see. CDC bases their opinion on what they hope. 
 

You are making it sound like this guy can win face offs or something. He also doesn’t even play like a centre. The only reason he is in there is because he doesn’t give up the middle of the ice. Good defensively but has no idea what to do with the puck. 
 

this isn’t football guys, you can’t just play defence and you can’t just play offence. He is a 1 dimensional player that will do nothing for offensive chemistry in the bottom 6. This guy isn’t worth a 3rd. With JB’s drafting record a third isn’t nothing. 

Your optimism is amazing!  A third round pick isn’t nothing...and neither is a third line Center that can PK while suppressing  shots at a high level. I’m glad to “base your opinions on what you see” before even seeing him play a single minute on this team. 
 

This isn’t football, and it would be better if he had higher face off wins or better skating skills, but would also cost more in terms of assets and salary (which we have very little of either). There are many one dimensional players in the league and they perform well if placed on lines with balance. Quinn Hughes is not know for being very good defensively but his high levels of offence make him a desirable player. This team has Pettersen, Hughes, JT, Bo, and many more that can fill the net. It’s a one year commitment with almost no down side.  At least it’s not a six year commitment to an aging vet to fill this role. 

[oldnews]

What's happening with CDC?

Strange - the autofill outrage isn't here - the usual pitchfork protests over trading a pick - can barely find a post to that effect.

smary folks praising a deal where Benning trades a mid range pick for a defense-first forward...

What gives?  Refreshing.  Almost shocking lol.

 

I, (probably predictably) like the player - the kind of guy I love to see added to the middle/bottom six - that can handle hard minutes, play matchup/shutdown - take some pressure off the top six if able to limit opposition production, create territory/opportunity for the young forwards/support the young defensemen....chip in some secondary scoring on occasion.

 

I'm a bit relieved - because I'm not sure the team is quite ready to transition to a new age secondary scoring 3rd line....I think the youth in the lineup at forward and on the blueline - can still use a healthy complement of players like this.

Dickinson wasn't on my radar (typically assume teams don't want to let go of guys entering their prime that are valuable, skilled shutdown guys like this / and an RFA - ie as I wouldn't have wanted to let go of Motte either - but Dallas has depth).  He's a (younger) version of the kind of UFAs I was hoping we'd target -  and he brings the versatility of a center/winger - that imo makes sense, particularly if they still add another center to the mix - a pair of centers on a (two way) 3rd line is exactly what I wanted to see.

 

7g, 8a, 15, 51 games, 16:12 ice time.

78 hits, 49 blocks

296 draws = 46.3% - is not bad, considering his starts are typically weighted to his zone (meaning it's harder to win draws - in the dzone - and his faceoff percentage has upticked).

44.1% ozone starts - were bottom six/'bottom six' among Stars forwards (moved up and down the lineup on revolving lines.

55.3% corsi was top 5 among Dallas forwards = very good 'possession' / shot differential numbers in context.

28 takeaways (best on Dallas), 17 giveaways (+11, best on Dallas)

1:41/game of penalty killing ice time was tied for 2nd among Dallas forwards (tied Comeau, Faksa at 2:00 - another 1st round pick conversion to defensive forward)

2.1 on ice goals against per 60 5on5 is top 5 among Dallas forwards - arguably the best goals against metrics (in context) among Stars forwards.

On ice save percentage (.907) one of a few defensive metrics that are middling (as well as faceoffs).

 

Quite consistent with his (very good imo) outcomes from the previous two seasons.

 

Hard to argue with this deal - like the player ('eye test' is better than the outcomes from my viewpoint), like the stage he's at in his career - and the price is certainly acceptable/good - but I'm a bit 'predisposed' to like this kind of player - and consider guys like this that can take care of the defensive details at earlier stages of their careers, to be solid uptick 'gambles'/risk - but regardless, a valuable player where he's presently at, regardless of whether or not he further upticks.  Any time you can add guys that are hard to play against and limit opposition, I think that's complementary/pressure taken off team-mates in a dual sense.

Edited July 19, 2021 by oldnews

[RWJC]

I’m gonna play devil’s (CJ) advocate here and ask aloud:

 

if Dickinson’s metrics show that he’s a better player defensively than Radek Faksa, who is a year older, and has a 3.25mill cap hit until 2024/25, then why did DAL decide to let JD go?

 

Faksa arguably is better on O (depending what lines he’s up against), but also has a nagging wrist injury that flares up from time to time.

 

Aside from JD requiring a new contract where the Faksa $ value is a direct comparable, what would prompt DAL to decide he’s the one that’s expendable?

 

I realize they are basically the same player with slightly different strengths, but even with that considered, why Faksa over Dickinson?

 

Who is it in their system that can be groomed to replace JD’s role on the cheap?

 

And did DAL move on from JD because Faksa is the better option to play around the top 9 if necessary?

 

Why not keep him as their 4th line C/W?

 

Thoughts?

[JM_]

1 minute ago, RWJC said:

I’m gonna play devil’s (CJ) advocate here and ask aloud:

 

if Dickinson’s metrics show that he’s a better player defensively than Radek Faksa, who is a year older, and has a 3.25mill cap hit until 2024/25, then why did DAL decide to let JD go?

 

Faksa arguably is better on O (depending what lines he’s up against), but also has a nagging wrist injury that flares up from time to time.

 

Aside from JD requiring a new contract where the Faksa $ value is a direct comparable, what would prompt DAL to decide he’s the one that’s expendable?

 

I realize they are basically the same player with slightly different strengths, but even with that considered, why Faksa over Dickinson?

 

Who is it in their system that can be groomed to replace JD’s role on the cheap?

 

And did DAL move on from JD because Faksa is the better option to play around the top 9 if necessary?

 

Why not keep him as their 4th line C/W?

 

Thoughts?

 

First off I'd say having <6 mil in cap space and he's arbitration eligible. 2nd I'd say size, Faska is bigger. 3rd he is better on face offs. 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Not interested in trading the 9OA for Reinhart. If he really wants to play in Vancouver we can wait a year and sign him as a UFA when we have more cap room. 
 

We already traded our top 2 picks last year. We are not gonna trade our 1st and 3rd this year as well.  Benning will stock the cupboard and pick a stud with the 9OA and he will be cost controlled for several years. 
 

We need to focus on the D right now. We need at least 2 new D, maybe 3 if we trade Schmidt. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Elias Pettersson

[RWJC]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

First off I'd say having <6 mil in cap space and he's arbitration eligible. 2nd I'd say size, Faska is bigger. 3rd he is better on face offs. 

 

So essentially we’re getting Radek Faksa lite with a slight D upgrade. 
Would CDC have been happy with trading a 3rd (and essentially a Gadj or Lind) for Faksa straight up?

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, RWJC said:

So essentially we’re getting Radek Faksa lite with a slight D upgrade. 
Would CDC have been happy with trading a 3rd (and essentially a Gadj or Lind) for Faksa straight up?

I would think so. But Dallas is so cap squeezed they really need him, so I don't think that would have been enough to get him. 

[RWJC]

1 minute ago, RWJC said:

So essentially we’re getting Radek Faksa lite with a slight D upgrade. 
Would CDC have been happy with trading a 3rd (and essentially a Gadj or Lind) for Faksa straight up?

that’s how I view/asses this trade now and in further retrospect 

[Elias Pettersson]

 

[Me_]

4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Welcome home.

With an attitude like that, fan fave already.

Played a bunch against McDavid as well.

See what happens there…

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Me_

[Me_]

29 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Not interested in trading the 9OA for Reinhart. If he really wants to play in Vancouver we can wait a year and sign him as a UFA when we have more cap room. 
 

We already traded our top 2 picks last year. We are not gonna trade our 1st and 3rd this year as well.  Benning will stock the cupboard and pick a stud with the 9OA and he will be cost controlled for several years. 
 

We need to focus on the D right now. We need at least 2 new D, maybe 3 if we trade Schmidt. 

Don’t buy out Eriksson, and that’s Reinhardt money right there.