The Score craps on the Canucks playoffs chances

[Patel Bure]

16 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

I see us make the playoffs, I dont see us contend for division as Vegas will win it. OEL is back to his old self again so this article is talking non sense.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying that this author is talking non sense, but rather, he has a very strong understanding of “the what” but is a little weak with “the why.”   That’s the story with a lot of these hockey gurus that rely primarily on advanced analytics and stats, but are unwilling to dig deeper behind the numbers.  It’s the same situation at HF Canucks.  Strong with the “what.” weak with the “why.”  It’s also one of the reasons why these arrogant kids in their 20’s and early 30’s believe that they are smarter than NHL GM’s and owners.

[CanucksJay]

I guess it's about expectations though. 

Will we make the playoffs? 

I believe so

Will we win a round? 

I think we absolutely have a chance. 

Will we make the cup finals? 

Unlikely but there's always hope? 

 

If the media pundits see a 2nd or 3rd round loss as a failure for this team, what does that say about the majority of the teams in the NHL? 

[Wilbur]

58 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Most media outlets have been ragging on our team for years. Given our performance last season, it's continued to be rather easy pickings.

 

I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest our D isn't where it needs to be. Many of our own fans have questions about the D still - myself included.

 

It's going to take time for some media to take this team seriously. I think we were on our way with our playoff performances against the Wild, Blues and Knights, despite most of us knowing the reason for that streak of success was thanks to our goaltending - but the awful last season pretty much destroyed any confidence the "experts" were starting to have in this team.

 

I think the Canucks are going to surprise a lot of people this coming season. Crow will be eaten.

Pretty much agree with all this. 

Until the Canucks can prove it (bubble hockey wasn't enough), they're not going to get much respect around the league.

[the_impersonator13]

44 minutes ago, AV. said:

I mean, on one hand --> rude of TheScore

 

But on the other - bulletin board material, baby.  Let's get it.

 

Hope this helpsssssss

I had no idea the Score was even a relevant source of reliable sports information these days. 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, kanucks25 said:

Look at our results under Benning and it's really not that hard to figure out why people/fans outside Vancouver don't see us as a threat.

 

Maybe we will be that, but a lot of players have a lot to prove before that happens and you can't expect people outside the market to just give us the benefit of the doubt on that.

yeah but "a shell of his former self"  

 

media hysterics 

[combover]

Can’t say I disagree.

solid at forward 

demko been greats 

Pretty fair on what was said on the d to.
OEL needs to prove himself 
myers is terrible in his own end and overused. 

poolman hamonic schenn are all #6/7 guys

hughes needs to rebound from last season.
 

and if they play the same crap system that baumer had them playing the last few seasons why would the result be any different. 

 

[HockeyHarry]

ThankQ TheScore.

 

now Coach Green Plz get this TheScore quote printed big and frame it in the dressing room.

 

a Team like this can’t possibly win any games.

 

Go Canucks Go

 

thescore 

 

 

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

Is this news? 

[kanucks25]

10 minutes ago, JM_ said:

yeah but "a shell of his former self"  

 

media hysterics 

I mean he kinda was in his last few years in Arizona, at least compared to his peak (top-10 D-man in the world vs barely 2nd pairing?).

 

A couple preseason games doesn't change that.

 

Like I said, lots of players with lots to prove before anyone gives us credit, and rightfully so.

 

e/ FWIW I did not read the article and I do not stand by the "writer" in terms of his hockey knowledge. Just that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that most people don't think we're good... there's good reason for it.

Edited October 6, 2021 by kanucks25

[JM_]

1 minute ago, kanucks25 said:

I mean he kinda was in his last few years in Arizona, at least compared to his peak (top-10 D-man in the world vs barely 2nd pairing?).

 

A couple preseason games doesn't change that.

 

Like I said, lots of players with lots to prove before anyone gives us credit, and rightfully so.

 

e/ FWIW I did not read the article and I do not stand by the "writer" in terms of his hockey knowledge. Just that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that most people don't think we're good... there's good reason for it.

context, AZ has been a crap show for a while, and the coaching relationship was not good. Thats reason enough. He's already looked rejuvenated in just a few games here.

 

So we'll see where he ends up but I expect him to show quite well here.

 

As far as what other markets think and say, well, when do they ever say something good? even when we were good, they still hated us. 

[kanucks25]

3 minutes ago, JM_ said:

context, AZ has been a crap show for a while, and the coaching relationship was not good. Thats reason enough. He's already looked rejuvenated in just a few games here.

 

So we'll see where he ends up but I expect him to show quite well here.

Sure, and count me in the group of people that think he'll bounce back at least somewhat due to not being in said crap show anymore.

 

But, again, that's not something that's a given, it needs to be shown.

 

3 minutes ago, JM_ said:

As far as what other markets think and say, well, when do they ever say something good? even when we were good, they still hated us. 

Back then anybody who knew what they were talking about wouldn't say we sucked, just that we weren't likeable (which we weren't, at least not to outsiders, and it's not hard to see why given some of our personnel at that time).

Edited October 6, 2021 by kanucks25

[JM_]

Just now, kanucks25 said:

Sure, and count me in the group of people that think he'll bounce back at least somewhat due to not being in said crap show anymore.

 

But, again, that's not something that's a given, it needs to be shown.

 

Back then anybody who knew what they were talking about wouldn't say we sucked, just that we weren't likeable (which we weren't, at least not to outsiders, and it's not hard to see why given some of personnel at that time).

thats fair.

 

I just don't agree with the idea that the d group is total crap as its being portrayed. I mean, come on. Even a 75% OEL (from a production pov), Hughes, Myers, and Poolmans strong defensive play is not hot garbage. Will it be an adventure from time to time with guys jumping up, sure. 

[bertuzzi44fan]

Powerplay is terrible still,so people need to be dragged into the street and beaten.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

1 hour ago, AV. said:

I mean, on one hand --> rude of TheScore

 

But on the other - bulletin board material, baby.  Let's get it.

 

Hope this helpsssssss

I appreciate the sentiment, but hopefully no one uses this garbage as bulletin board material. 
 

That “article” (from what I’ve seen here as I refused to check out the link) seems like the journalistic equivalent of a four year old calling someone a “poopypants dumbhead.”

[BCNate]

Please help me to understand.

 

Everyone Sh**s all over OEL, this article states he is a shell of his former self.  

 

I see a guy who 3 years ago he got Norris votes, 2 years ago he was close to .5ppg and -3, both years playing 23+ mins per game.  Last year was bad, no doubt, but look at the entire picture.

 

I genuinely feel that we got a top pair D for dimes on the dollar based on one bad year.

 

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[sonoman]

2 hours ago, 4petesake said:

 

He’s a Calgary Flames hockey blogger so he obviously doesn’t have a lot going for him

Except a bunch of former Canucks  

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, kanucks25 said:

Look at our results under Benning and it's really not that hard to figure out why people/fans outside Vancouver don't see us as a threat.

 

Maybe we will be that, but a lot of players have a lot to prove before that happens and you can't expect people outside the market to just give us the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yeah.   Funny thing though.   Some THN writers picked us a the next Canadian team to win a cup last year before the season started.   SN, NHL.com, TSN and THN all acknowledge that we have one of the best group of guys in the entire league with their various ranking systems before last season and again this year, well because we do.    Outside the market  - who is this guy anyways and is he actually legitimized?    Like the Hockey Writers...level - or actually a professional.    There is a difference. 

[Chickenspear]

Holy putz-fest

[Rindiculous]

Wouldn't it be cool if both OEL and Hughes become Norris contenders this year?  Yah, I know I'm dreaming now but wouldn't that be so freaking cool after having pretty much no Norris candidates ever in our 50 years as a franchise especially after everyone writing off our defense as garbage this year?

Edited October 6, 2021 by Rindiculous

[Honky Cat]

I think it's a lazy garbage write up .Its almost like he checked out HF Canucks first.

 

Conversely, when your team has not been good over a number of years, these negative reviews are to be expected.

 

Until you start winning , you just have to take it, and deal with it.