kanucks25 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 This is a strange team. On paper we have a lot of pieces that when you list them off, you'd think they'd make a good group. But when you write out the lineup, there are big holes and in general it's an uneven composition. I think so far, we have the record we deserve (about .500). A few of our key top forwards haven't shown up yet, but we've also had pretty good goaltending (about .920 overall) for a team that is below average at defending. We've lost a few close games. On one hand, Pettersson playing just average instead of awful could mean 1-2 more wins. On the other hand, goaltending has kept those games close. So you've got to pick your poison. All that said, this team is simply not performing up to expectations and it shows in the record and the underlying stats. It's still early enough for them to turn it around, of course, but if we're still stuttering around the 20-25 game mark, they have to try a coaching change to spark the team. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Green has lost the room. He's not the coach that's able to take this team to the next level. He's been consistently outcoached and his staff (outside of Shaw and Clark) are equally inept. It would be a mistake to continue with him. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, CanuckleHorse said: Ted Nolan or the Crow and have Cull be an assistant No, no, and no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Should have hired Gerard Gallant before the Rangers scooped him up. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, erkayloomeh said: That's the elephant in the room. Who's available that we would want? Bruce Boudreau 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Or the plyers are not executing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 It's all the above. To see Boeser miss the targets constantly and bumped by a 4th liner on the PP (who signed a 1 year deal on a lackluster PTO)? Then bench Podz when his other bottom 6 depth does nothing anyways (Highmore? what does he do? Dowling?). Play the guy and grow him into a top 6 or 9 slot (or hey put him in the front of the goalie on the PP2 setup?). The team could NOT start slow like this after one of the worst debacle year last season - they had a full training camp, and they look slow, lost and lack any creativity (Philly on the PP used set plays and the advantage of the boards to make passes...even scored on one doing just that). They all stand around passively and can't make complete passes tape to tape. Watch Petey play, and he is checked out if not falling/gliding around in cement boots - is he more than showing he's unhappy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just now, Ajax- said: Or the plyers are not executing? Travis Green's comments on his team not executing: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, erkayloomeh said: That's the elephant in the room. Who's available that we would want? Quenneville 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyndall2 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 We all agree that our power play is terrible. They are playing like table top hockey players, stuck in one area of the ice. So predictable and easy to defend against. Watch Edmonton, Philly, Tampa. Their pp players are continually moving, changing position to confuse the defense, etc. It can't be that hard?? Or with Green maybe it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3nnyb Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Hello everyone Who do you think will be fired first, Green or Benning? I added both as an option in the poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 11 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: I realize that many wanted to see green Terminated before this season started, to allow our young core and new players to be off to a fresh start, but he's back and unfortunately we're seeing the continuation of the results we've seen for many, many years under him. Do you think the Players Have Tuned Him Out - or - are Playing to Get Him Fired - or - are they legitimatly trying to win, yet the systems that green has taught are just Endlessly Failing? No, the team is 8 games into the season, was unaware that translated into " endlessly failing systems " and players playing to have him fired. The team is a very good head coach, they upgraded their defense by bringing in Brad Shaw, I would even argue the players are still fine tuning the changes Shaw has brought in. The Power Play was the big thing fans crapped on the past few years, it has also seen different personal at the coaching level brought in to adjust that as well. I would assume time will as always tell and we should start seeing the team turn the corner soon. Green is a very good coach and while some may not like that he tinkers or maybe someone sits on the bench longer than you'd like but that happens everywhere around the league so not anything specific to Green and his systems here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I have a feeling this is going to get locked. There are a lot of other threads right now speaking to essentially the same thing. This one has a poll though, so it might make it. If firing is in the future of people in the Canucks organization, it will be both. Benning is on his 7th year. Plenty of GMs that have a better record don't last that long. Green will be canned for his record as well. If Trotz can be fired after getting the Captials their first Stanley Cup, than Green can be fired for being an average coach who has lost the room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis Hip Check Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 If any have to go i would say green first. If green gets axed by midseason and we still suck at the end of the year then benning can go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 The Canucks were the worst team last year allowing scoring chances off the rush I see a team trying to play better defensively and it’s making them hesitant to take chances and push the play So right now they are transitioning systems and we’re seeing the growing pains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Have we paid attention the past several years here in Vancouver ? the amount of crap that has gone on and the multiple endorsements by ownership in these two individuals, the time is now and beyond to see the team produce for sure. But again we are 8 games into the season, the team plays in a weak division and they have not been tire fire terrible........I don't foresee either getting fired in the next couple of seasons so...... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 hour ago, tas said: none of the above. Got any names ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I have a feeling this is going to get locked. There are a lot of other threads right now speaking to essentially the same thing. This one has a poll though, so it might make it. If firing is in the future of people in the Canucks organization, it will be both. Benning is on his 7th year. Plenty of GMs that have a better record don't last that long. Green will be canned for his record as well. If Trotz can be fired after getting the Captials their first Stanley Cup, than Green can be fired for being an average coach who has lost the room. Trotz was not fired though, he chose a different path and different dollars then he could have taken to remain in Washington, he was set on leaving the team. Green has shown an average production a the NHL level, I would argue he has squeezed a lot out of some players and it bears repeating for the people in the back of the room, its 8 games in to the season, the room has not been lost lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 12 hours ago, CanuckleHorse said: Ted Nolan or the Crow and have Cull be an assistant Did I see Claude Julien behind the Philly bench? Nice looking PP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, billabong said: The Canucks were the worst team last year allowing scoring chances off the rush I see a team trying to play better defensively and it’s making them hesitant to take chances and push the play So right now they are transitioning systems and we’re seeing the growing pains The defense is playing with more bite and presence which is a definite influence on Shaw. OEL is looking rejuvenated, and with Garland is a steal compared to what went the other way. There is a disconnect though. The team comes out way too flat, which I can't see being attributed to a change in systems. They don't look engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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