Nikita Tryamkin | D

[Coconuts]

1 hour ago, lmm said:

Do you also find it surprizing that Thornton, Spezza and Hamonic took less money?

Tryamkin did not enjoy his time in Vancouver and neither did his wife.

We respect Hamonic for choosing family over money

we respect Horvat for being a good family man

Maybe the dollars would not feel so comforting if his wife was unhappy to be brought back to Vancouver

Maybe they like the city he plays in and the player he plays with more than he did in Vancouver

Not sure where you're going with this, I wasn't lambasting him for choosing family over money. If money was the stumbling block between him and the Canucks as speculated over the last few pages, I find it odd he'd walk away from potential larger paydays beyond an initial contract.

 

I understand someone choosing family, but the dollars bit seems strange. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Coconuts

[wallstreetamigo]

Oops wrong thread lol

Edited May 4, 2021 by wallstreetamigo

[elvis15]

2 hours ago, lmm said:

Do you also find it surprizing that Thornton, Spezza and Hamonic took less money?

Tryamkin did not enjoy his time in Vancouver and neither did his wife.

We respect Hamonic for choosing family over money

we respect Horvat for being a good family man

Maybe the dollars would not feel so comforting if his wife was unhappy to be brought back to Vancouver

Maybe they like the city he plays in and the player he plays with more than he did in Vancouver

And if that's the case that he needed more incentive above and beyond all the earning potential and everything else to actually decide to come back to the NHL after all the talk and signs pointing to him doing so, then he's basically made the decision to stay at home regardless of any reasonable offer from the Canucks. Only so much Benning could do at that point.

Edited May 4, 2021 by elvis15

[elvis15]

10 hours ago, aGENT said:

Me either.

 

I figured he and his agent would view something around $1.5-$2 as roughly 'breaking even' with the long term view to bet on himself and earn more on his next deal ($4m+?).

 

But clearly he's more comfortable just staying in Russia, as is his prerogative.

I don't know, at the lower end of pay on a one year deal I wouldn't have been too upset to take a risk and pay $500K more than what I thought was a top end. You can't do it on all contracts - and we already have some overpaid deals on the books - but with the way we saw some cheap UFA deals last offseason, and having inexpensive young players, maybe it's worth a shot. If Tryamkin still balks, you can say you offered extra and he walked away.

 

He definitely was suggestive he wanted to come back, and even with the Canucks. He's also been (more subliminally) suggestive that he wants the conditions to be fairly ideal for it to happen though, too. Who knows, maybe we'll hear the full story at some point, but it doesn't look like we'll see him here now.

[drummer4now]

He will be on the Canucks roster in 2-3 yrs... He just doesn't want to play for a crappy team and is waiting sharpening his skills. 

 

And I am serious about this . 

 

[lmm]

1 hour ago, elvis15 said:

And if that's the case that he needed more incentive above and beyond all the earning potential and everything else to actually decide to come back to the NHL after all the talk and signs pointing to him doing so, then he's basically made the decision to stay at home regardless of any reasonable offer from the Canucks. Only so much Benning could do at that point.

right, and if Aqua Velva was thinking of signing Burke earlier in the season, he burned that bridge 17 years ago too

[Captain Canuck #12]

6 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

So is his car still parked in the parkade beneath the rink?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, and it's still running.  I saw it... I swear! 

[UKNuck96]

For me I’m not a JB lover or hater I just weigh up whether I agree something was good or bad, and try not to throw in hindsight but judge it from the information known at the time.

 

 (For example LE - term to long and price to high but not ridiculous. Based on his previous season and the FA market at the time it was a reasonable move that in hindsight has become a dumpster fire) 

 

I’m also frustrated that on this forums most people see negotiations as zero sum (which can be true) but often the best negotiators seek to build consensus and find mutual commonality, and when you add in people and contracts to the mix trying to screw someone over may make you win that deal but probably cost you others, (there is a human element) I much prefer integrative bargaining where you can address needs and fine solutions that are mutually acceptable for all. I’m really against the ‘winning’ ‘losing’ mentality of trades and signings. 
 

however sometime things are zero sum and being able to read the room and the people negotiating is a key skill

 

 

with the information coming out regarding interest at the deadline - if JB had no intention of signing him I’m sure we would have seen the rights moved out. 
 

with NT while he could have been using the Canucks as a leverage in his KHl talks the actions over a sustained period of time seem to me that he did want to come back to the Canucks.

 

with this being the situation how could we end up with the worst outcome of nothing in return for the rights and the player walking.

 

it looks as if there was a minimum threshold which NT was unwilling to go below which is fair enough, it also looks like JB was looking to avoid being in a situation where he has to cap dump with no leverage especially with QH and EP to sign.
 

Looks like JB was willing to give NT what he was after, but with caveats of moving space first. NT looks like he just wanted to sign in the line and not get messed around and like last season scrabble last minute for a KHL contract and reduce all potential bargaining power. 

 

Knowing the history of last season I would have thought JB at this point probably should have just penned a contract and maybe made a deal to keep that under wraps for the time being (but at least had it signed and binging) but it looks like he was asking NT for trust (which given the history of the organisation with NT you can see why NT wouldn’t have to much trust and probably could see history repeating it’s self)

 

my take is the JB probably didn’t read the room, and he clearly valued not being up against/over the cap as tight as it would have been with the signing, as he must have and idea of moving players without having to give even more away due to cap crunch

 

if JB manages to do a lot of off season work and jettison some players and get decent team together for next season that probably would be vindicated, however if he doesn’t then I will look back at this as a JB mistake

[D-Money]

In my estimation, this is just another loss for the organization because of the ridiculous contracts we signed in free agency. It's the same financial squeeze that led to bending over on the Gaudette trade to acquire a player signed for league minimum.

 

That said, this isn't that big of a loss. Tryamkin will likely be a bottom-pairing depth guy, and if it's between spending on him or Hamonic, I'd choose Hamonic for sure. But it would be better to have the money for both. And for the organization, another lost asset (however small) is just another log on the fire.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the COVID outbreak played into this too. That looked really bad on the organization as a whole. Nikita had a young family, and already had doubts about playing in Vancouver. The way that unfolded might affect our ability to attract talent this offseason as well.

[Sedinyoureyesontheprize]

This is a terrible outcome.

 

NT and TD just gave the Canucks a huge middle finger and payback for failing to sign a contract prior to this season.

 

Who else is Todd Diarrhea representing ?

[JM_]

13 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I should not have come back to this thread............*&^^%$ me!

 

So this stinks of JB trying to manipulate the truth..............and if Diamond is telling the truth, they yeah, I totally agree with you Jimmy

 

IMO, I an starting to believe JB is lacking credibility in what he says.............and that is playing out time and time again!

 

My problem, is......how do we believe what he says? Does he think Diamond will not protect his own credibility?

 

So, no JIm did not offer him the contract that Tryamkin had asked for..............

 

And, again &^%&**&$$E Me!, Benning had all season to figure this out.....................

 

Benning is a liar, and is just trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes

 

So, doesn't the Tanev and Taffoli stories, sort of underline exactly how Benning is operating...............

 

Unless Benning is covering for Aqualini..................does Aqualini really want his customers thinking that his GM is a liar?

 

Or at best, trying to deceive his customers?

I guess I'm just tired of hearing reasonable excuses for not signing or losing talent. I'd like to hear more about keeping talent. 

[Sell.the.team]

Nikita looked really good his one year here.... but we were busy building a winning culture with WD, doing things the 'right way'.... all he wanted to do was come and play in the NHL, and they got hung up on a stupid AHL assignment.  Sometimes you need to give special treatment in special circumstances.  There is a huge cultural difference with him.  He has no interest in moving to Utica and getting sent back and forth.  JB dropped the ball on this one.  NT had so much raw talent and ability and its a crying shame we couldn't get him more playing time in Vancouver.  

[joe-max]

If JB really wanted him here, he should have been able to get it done. Obviously it was not a priority and I wonder what is instead. Podkolzin and Tryamkin would surely have been a nice wrecking combo for next season and immediately added an enormous amount of size and strength. Too bad.

[J.I.A.H.N]

4 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I guess I'm just tired of hearing reasonable excuses for not signing or losing talent. I'd like to hear more about keeping talent. 

This is just it Jimmy!

 

We seem to be hemorrhaging talent

 

To me, it is a total mis-management of Cap and there by talent (Assets)

 

And I just want to remind the viewing audience, that for the first 5/6 years, I was a loud Benning supporter

 

But there just seems to be too much of this.........like......... every year

 

So when I look back, I now ask the question why did we invest in Myers, Toffoli, and Miller, if we are not in a win now mode? Why were we not committed to a complete rebuild, and why did we not sell more assets we could not afford, and why were we going after OEL, and why did we say that we wanted Tryamkin? 

 

IMO, Benning is hired to have those answers..........and not excuses

 

It started with Eriksson and it became another straw, and then another one, and then another one........................etc.........

 

And what even confuses me more, is why is Aqualini going along with it?

 

Aqualini needs a strong hockey oriented President, and to take a step back from anywhere near Hockey operations. He needs to do that....................

 

And we (the fans) need a clear message and a clear direction, from that president..............

[aliboy]

This off season will be make or break it for JB, that's how it appears to me.

[Kootenay Gold]

5 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

This is just it Jimmy!

 

We seem to be hemorrhaging talent

 

To me, it is a total mis-management of Cap and there by talent (Assets)

Jan; I am not sure that you can lay all the blame on JB for what has happened this year. I do believe JB had full intentions of signing Toffoli but Covid hit and the flat cap was also a big consideration in how they moved forward. A lot of teams are facing similar issues and some are going to lose some very good pieces in the expansion draft as well. I would chalk this season and all of the juggling that occurred on many teams to an outlier and hope that next season will see the team make strides towards being a CUP contender again.

 

Podkolzin should help along with more mature and hopefully stronger versions of Hughes and Pettersson. I will reserve any judgment of the direction the team is headed until after the draft and free agency period has passed.

[JM_]

45 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

This is just it Jimmy!

 

We seem to be hemorrhaging talent

 

To me, it is a total mis-management of Cap and there by talent (Assets)

 

And I just want to remind the viewing audience, that for the first 5/6 years, I was a loud Benning supporter

 

But there just seems to be too much of this.........like......... every year

 

So when I look back, I now ask the question why did we invest in Myers, Toffoli, and Miller, if we are not in a win now mode? Why were we not committed to a complete rebuild, and why did we not sell more assets we could not afford, and why were we going after OEL, and why did we say that we wanted Tryamkin? 

 

IMO, Benning is hired to have those answers..........and not excuses

 

It started with Eriksson and it became another straw, and then another one, and then another one........................etc.........

 

And what even confuses me more, is why is Aqualini going along with it?

 

Aqualini needs a strong hockey oriented President, and to take a step back from anywhere near Hockey operations. He needs to do that....................

 

And we (the fans) need a clear message and a clear direction, from that president..............

There's a lot of things I like about Jim, his drafting, how he treats players, and I do think he's an honest guy. But he's also made too many misses for me to continue to want him running the show. I don't believe he's going to be able to make any significant additions to the team for next year. I hope I'm wrong but I have no faith he can pull off whats needed to take this team to the next level. 

 

I just don't buy the needing to wait to clear cap space argument. We all know Jake is gone, and likely Loui. There's your cap and more for Nik. What worries me is I don't think he's lying, he just didn't prioritize this signing, which bothers me a lot. 

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Jimmy McGill

[J.I.A.H.N]

32 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

Jan; I am not sure that you can lay all the blame on JB for what has happened this year. I do believe JB had full intentions of signing Toffoli but Covid hit and the flat cap was also a big consideration in how they moved forward. A lot of teams are facing similar issues and some are going to lose some very good pieces in the expansion draft as well. I would chalk this season and all of the juggling that occurred on many teams to an outlier and hope that next season will see the team make strides towards being a CUP contender again.

 

Podkolzin should help along with more mature and hopefully stronger versions of Hughes and Pettersson. I will reserve any judgment of the direction the team is headed until after the draft and free agency period has passed.

You know KG

 

I was on Benning's side for so long, but it is like the kid that is always in trouble and saying it is always someone elses fault

Too many straws for me! I can't seem to forgive him any more.

 

I just wonder why other teams are not running into the same issues of the same size????? I mean sure Tampa may, but they have a cup to show for their fortune.

 

Benning has this mess and nothing to show for it!

[Stierlitz]

2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I just don't buy the needing to wait to clear cap space argument. We all know Jake is gone, and likely Loui. There's your cap and more for Nik. What worries me is I don't think he's lying, he just didn't prioritize this signing, which bothers me a lot. 

 

Usually I support Benning but he has lost me on this one. I am just thinking - Benning is in Texas watching U18 world championship. Maybe he was too busy watching games and evaluating potential draft players, and considered Tryamkin's signing as something not important, something which could wait..? Just trying to find some reason for his questionable contract negotiation.

 

By the way, Benning needs 2-week quarantine after coming back from the USA so he is not going to be with the team until the regular season end.

Edited May 4, 2021 by Stierlitz

[JM_]

16 minutes ago, Stierlitz said:

Usually I support Benning but he has lost me on this one. I am just thinking - Benning is in Texas watching U18 world championship. Maybe he was too busy watching games and evaluating potential draft players, and considered Tryamkin's signing as something not important, something which could wait..? Just trying to find some reason for his questionable contract negotiation.

 

By the way, Benning needs 2-week quarantine after coming back from the USA so he is not going to be with the team until the regular season end.

I don't know Stierlitz, I think Benning really dropped the ball on this one. Really not impressed.