Coronavirus outbreak

[stawns]

1 minute ago, AriGold2.0 said:

They're saying the next 2-3 weeks will be the worst for the pandemic.

 

For us for sure.  I think the US is in serious trouble for another year, at least

[Gurn]

26 minutes ago, spur1 said:

Pretty sure they will hit over 400,000 deaths before all is said and done. 

 

19 minutes ago, stawns said:

They'll hit that before inauguration day

http://www.covid-19canada.com/

In a sense they are already over 400,000.

Take their current cases total  7,731,560  and find 1.7% of that number       131436     . That number plus the folks that have already died, 341,128 comes to over  472,564

 

And more people get covid everyday.

[spur1]

36 minutes ago, gurn said:

 

http://www.covid-19canada.com/

In a sense they are already over 400,000.

Take their current cases total  7,731,560  and find 1.7% of that number       131436     . That number plus the folks that have already died, 341,128 comes to over  472,564

 

And more people get covid everyday.

“I was being very conservative I see. Oh crap...did I just use that nasty word.”

 That is what bugs me about Trump and his lying mob. Even words like socialism/conservative/communism (community)law and order are an immediate trigger for a lot of people. 

[Chris12345]

3 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Of course there is/was....you ban travel.  Too late though. 

 

Not sure why the world hasn't done that....no one needs to travel right now.  There's this thing called the internet that connects us for business and other reasons.

Bingo.

 

Canada/BC is great but the one knock is they don't drop the hammer when required.

[-DLC-]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

I know 10-15 kids, from my school alone, whose families were going to Alberta for Xmas

Gah, people are so stupid and selfish.

[Warhippy]

6 hours ago, stawns said:

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/320344/Ministry-of-Health-confirms-first-COVID-19-U-K-variant-case-in-B-C-#.X-j_ZTsyQRM.facebook

 

Oh good

To my knowledge this variant and apparently another (or the same) from South Africa have been found in almost every major country so far 

 

The big fear is a change in the protein sheath around the actual virus which would make the vaccine useless

[Warhippy]

4 hours ago, spur1 said:

Still lots traveling. Alberta plates outnumber BC plates in town today.  

Can confirm.  yesterday and today the local mall parking lot was at capacity in Penticton.  Numerous and I do mean significant amounts of red plates

 

With the southern okanagan being a hot spot destination for snowbirds there are a LOT of families visiting here.  My gym has refused any and all drop ins from outside of the okanagan area and has requested ID from everyone who attempts to drop in.  they're not messing around

[UKNuck96]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55465079
 

idiots are everywhere. Makes me proud to be British /sarcasm 

[-DLC-]

This seems to be a good description of the changes:

 

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...this mutation, known as N501Y, seems to have helped the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein attach "more readily to the human cell receptor ACE-2."

"A mutation is simply the presence of a change in the nucleotide sequence of the RNA of the virus… that causes a change in an amino acid residue in a virally expressed protein," Evans said.

He added that this mutation to how the spike protein binds with human cells is likely why the variant is "more transmissible than others."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/variant-or-strain-experts-explain-what-s-happened-to-the-coronavirus-1.5245923

[-DLC-]

16 hours ago, guntrix said:

Unless British Columbians are willing to subsist only on BC products, which I highly doubt, you’d still have to factor in people who drive the trucks, navigate ships, operate customs, work in logistics, etc. 
 

I wish it were as easy as limiting travel. 

"Essential" versus non essential.

 

Most "travellers" aren't going abroad to acquire products.   They're vacationing and visiting, which is quite different than a supply chain.

[bishopshodan]

Man, England is up against it. 

 

'Most of the tests in the south look like the new variant.' 

Covid-19: Concern at 'unprecedented' infection level in England

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55462701

 

 

[UKNuck96]

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

Man, England is up against it. 

 

'Most of the tests in the south look like the new variant.' 

Covid-19: Concern at 'unprecedented' infection level in England

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55462701

 

 

Tbh half of the reason is the virus, about a 1/4 is the lacklustre government response - always reactionary. The other 1/4 is that even when the government does get something right they pretty much think it won’t happen to them or that they are above the rules.

 

the fact that the train stations were crammed hours after the tier 4 announcement of Londoners fleeing to second homes or family, says it all really.  And surprise surprise cases outside of London where second homes are located have started to spike.  

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said:

Tbh half of the reason is the virus, about a 1/4 is the lacklustre government response - always reactionary. The other 1/4 is that even when the government does get something right they pretty much think it won’t happen to them or that they are above the rules.

 

the fact that the train stations were crammed hours after the tier 4 announcement of Londoners fleeing to second homes or family, says it all really.  And surprise surprise cases outside of London where second homes are located have started to spike.  

I hear ya, got lots of friends and family over there.

My Aunt in England, who has the extra pleasure of battling cancer during this pandemic, is saying that so many people are not respecting the rules. 

We're seeing the result. 

[guntrix]

1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

"Essential" versus non essential.

 

Most "travellers" aren't going abroad to acquire products.   They're vacationing and visiting, which is quite different than a supply chain.

I agree that limiting non-essential travel would help but the original point was that it was always impossible to prevent the new strain from getting into Canada. People need to keep in mind how infectious this new strain is; you only need a couple of undetected cases for it to propagate. 
 

At the end of the day, love it or hate it, unless you limit all travel, the new strain is getting in. 

[-DLC-]

Just now, guntrix said:

I agree that limiting non-essential travel would help but the original point was that it was always impossible to prevent the new strain from getting into Canada. People need to keep in mind how infectious this new strain is; you only need a couple of undetected cases for it to propagate. 
 

At the end of the day, love it or hate it, unless you limit all travel, the new strain is getting in. 

My point is that you reduce the odds as much as possible and allow for better monitoring in the process.

 

Flights in are constantly being flagged for COVID cases and so reducing the numbers would make for an easier time of tracking/isolating cases.

 

It doesn't have to be "all or nothing".  The strain is getting in but making sure it's not flooding things is vitally important.  Being able to contain it and that's made easier if there are less people arriving here.

[nuckin_futz]

UK reports another record day of virus cases at 41,385

Mon 28 Dec 2020 16:17:32 GMT

 

The worrisome rise in UK cases continues

 

This is the first day with more than 40,000 confirmed cases.

 

An optimist would say this reflects the Christmas lag; a pessimist would say it reflects the more-virulent strain. It's going to take a few days to sort through it.

 

The UK also added 357 people to the death toll.

[Jaimito]

3 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

UK reports another record day of virus cases at 41,385

Mon 28 Dec 2020 16:17:32 GMT

 

The worrisome rise in UK cases continues

 

This is the first day with more than 40,000 confirmed cases.

 

An optimist would say this reflects the Christmas lag; a pessimist would say it reflects the more-virulent strain. It's going to take a few days to sort through it.

 

The UK also added 357 people to the death toll.

It is likely human behavior driving this.  The variant may be just a coincidence/founder effect. 

 

Here around the 7:00 mark, Dr Griffin shares anecdotes from what his British friends are telling him. 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by Jaimito

[skategal]

Hundreds of British tourists ESCAPE quarantine in Swiss ski resort and flee in the night | Daily Mail Online

Escape from Verbier: Hundreds of British tourists flee in the night after being forced into quarantine at Swiss ski resort hotels - despite fears they could have mutant virus strain

• Around 200 tourists from Britain have fled the luxury Swiss Verbier ski resort 
• Staff only noticed the guests were gone when trays of food outside rooms were left untouched and calls were going unanswered 
• A flight ban has been put in place in response to the new Covid strain in Britain
• A 10-day quarantine was implemented for people who had arrived from the UK

Article contains more details.  Almost impossible to contain the new strain of virus.  People are going to people.  

 

[UnkNuk]

I'm glad I live in Canada.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-coronavirus-wuhan-citizen-journalist-zhang-zhan-sentenced-wuhan/

 

Beijing — Zhang Zhan, a 37-year-old former lawyer and citizen journalist in China, was sentenced to four years in prison in Shanghai on Monday for her reporting on the coronavirus outbreak in the central Chinese city of Wuhan early this year. She didn't immediately say if she would appeal the sentence, her lawyer, Zhang Keke, told CBS News.

 

During the start of the coronavirus pandemic, Zhang Zhan's live reports and essays were widely shared on social media, grabbing the attention of authorities. She was fiercely critical of the government for its virus containment measures and eagerly sought answers to the silencing of whistleblowers and other citizen journalists.

 

Zhang was arrested in May and was officially convicted for "picking quarrels and provoking trouble," a vague charge often brought against activists and critics of the government in China.  

Zhang's trial on Monday lasted less than three hours. She was sentenced to four years in prison. 

[Jaimito]

4 hours ago, UnkNuk said:

I'm glad I live in Canada.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-coronavirus-wuhan-citizen-journalist-zhang-zhan-sentenced-wuhan/

 

Beijing — Zhang Zhan, a 37-year-old former lawyer and citizen journalist in China, was sentenced to four years in prison in Shanghai on Monday for her reporting on the coronavirus outbreak in the central Chinese city of Wuhan early this year. She didn't immediately say if she would appeal the sentence, her lawyer, Zhang Keke, told CBS News.

 

During the start of the coronavirus pandemic, Zhang Zhan's live reports and essays were widely shared on social media, grabbing the attention of authorities. She was fiercely critical of the government for its virus containment measures and eagerly sought answers to the silencing of whistleblowers and other citizen journalists.

 

Zhang was arrested in May and was officially convicted for "picking quarrels and provoking trouble," a vague charge often brought against activists and critics of the government in China.  

Zhang's trial on Monday lasted less than three hours. She was sentenced to four years in prison. 

Political failure is what let this virus get out of China. They had invested in coronavirus research since 2003 SARS. They were supposed to be ready.  

 

Political failure is what is causing 300k+ deaths in the richest and most medically advanced country in the world.  

 

You can lie to people, but you can't fool mother nature. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Jaimito