UnkNuk Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 hours ago, CanucksJay said: I am optimistic about a bounce back season from OEL. He just turned 30 and ppl are acting like he's a senior citizen. Moreover OEL wants to come to Van. I don't think a guy capping the bed commands a 2 team trade list unless he is confident he can play better and fulfill his contract. If OEL plays like I expect him to play AND we are adding Garland, I don't see how this isnt good news for everyone. I'd be stoked if I was a player on the team. JB is showing that he wants to surround his core with better players immediately The OEL trade makes this upcoming season a lot more interesting. Most people that I've heard seem to think that Garland is going to be a solid player. If OEL turns out to be a first line defenceman this season and for, say, the next three years after, this will be regarded as a terrific trade. If he continues what some see as a downward spiral, and we're stuck with another Swedish albatross contract, even more people will be turning on Benning. Should be fun to watch which way it goes. And it starts this season. Here's hoping it goes the right way. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Im skeptical on that one actually now, why wouldn't Arizona take him? If I was Arizona I would of rather taken him even with the crap going on over Roussel, unless Benning isn't ready to move him and maybe believes this situation with him will blow over eventually... I believe he could of been moved in this trade if they really were looking to move him or move on from him. Yeah he did mention of potential buyouts so it would only make sense if he can't move anyone.... The Coyotes might have taken him if not for the blowback they got after drafting Mitchell Miller last draft. I think their appetite for problem players is probably pretty low right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Ferland is already on the IR his cap isn't against the Canucks that I know of. It's included in the total cap hit already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: Jake will be bought out, and if he gets another chance in the league it will be on a US team (no press) and on a PTO. Time will tell, but why buy him out when you could of probably traded him instead if you don't want him... That's the part that doesn't make sense, instead of a 7th round pick you don't think Virtanen could of been dealt instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PistolPete13 Posted July 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 hours ago, iinatcc said: But his 2 year timeline is when he anticipates when the young core will mature and be at their peak. OEL will likely start to decline by then. So what good will OEL do if he becomes more of a liability when the the core starts to hit their peak ? OEL just turned 30 on July 17th. Victor Hedman is 30 and Ryan McDonough is 32. Do you think that TBL should start worrying about the “inevitable decline” that Hedman will have in two years and that McDonough is already experiencing? I don’t think so. Defenceman last longer than forwards. OEL will likely be productive well into his mid 30s. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) Check out how Eriksson is need on this article. Impressive. Arizona’s NHL page Man. If I’m a Yotes fan, I’m loving this trade. But I’m not. And very gladly. What a great trade. Edited July 25, 2021 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johnny Torts Posted July 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just scrolling casually and saw a post where Horvat is now a 3rd Line C. He’s had to play this defensive role for years because of the Sutter and Beagle injuries. And… &^@# it I’m not even going to engage. Great trade though love it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Time will tell, but why buy him out when you could of probably traded him instead if you don't want him... That's the part that doesn't make sense, instead of a 7th round pick you don't think Virtanen could of been dealt instead... I'm hoping that he'll be part of a package deal with Holtby or Schmidt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: The OEL trade makes this upcoming season a lot more interesting. Most people that I've heard seem to think that Garland is going to be a solid player. If OEL turns out to be a first line defenceman this season and for, say, the next three years after, this will be regarded as a terrific trade. If he continues what some see as a downward spiral, and we're stuck with another Swedish albatross contract, even more people will be turning on Benning. Should be fun to watch which way it goes. And it starts this season. Here's hoping it goes the right way. I’m optimistic that a coaching staff led by Travis Green will make a big difference. Green is known as a player’s coach, is well liked, and especially seems to maintain good relationships with NHL veterans. Add in defenceman whisperer Brad Shaw, and you have a really good situation for OEL. And certainly any change will be an improvement, as the relationship between OEL and the Arizona staff was really not good the last few years, especially with head coach Rick Tocchet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: It's included in the total cap hit already. Again, just scrolling. Ferland and his cap hit are irrelevant to the Vancouver Canucks unless he plans on ever playing again. It just doesn’t count plain and simple. The full cap hit will be subtracted because of IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: It's included in the total cap hit already. Ok that gives a little more room for signing Dickinson then, once Ferland is moved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Me_ said: Arizona’s NHL page Man. If I’m a Yotes fan reading this, I’m loving this trade. Weird I thought they dumped that awful Aztec looking logo years ago. The players they got from us look good on paper......on. paper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, 4petesake said: The Coyotes might have taken him if not for the blowback they got after drafting Mitchell Miller last draft. I think their appetite for problem players is probably pretty low right now. Still think they would of taken him over a 7th round pick tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Trebreh said: take a look at phlegms fans over analyzing this deal so they can say it was a bad trade for us https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=184091&page=21 they are worried. Some salty stuff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Also, this version of the Canucks may have two of the best offensively talented defencemen to ever don a Canucks jersey. Both Hughes and OEL are franchise defencemen, something we’ve never really had in our team’s history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: I'm hoping that he'll be part of a package deal with Holtby or Schmidt. Anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said: Again, just scrolling. Ferland and his cap hit are irrelevant to the Vancouver Canucks unless he plans on ever playing again. It just doesn’t count plain and simple. The full cap hit will be subtracted because of IR. I was merely pointing out that his cap hit is included in our total $62m hit right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Chickenspear said: I was merely pointing out that his cap hit is included in our total $62m hit right now. Yeah no I assumed so, I quoted you to steer others in that direction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, 250Integra said: Also, this version of the Canucks may have two of the best offensively talented defencemen to ever don a Canucks jersey. Both Hughes and OEL are franchise defencemen, something we’ve never really had in our team’s history. Agreed. OEL and RT had some $&!# going on, was on a team where the best player was Brad Richardson for a while, etc. Hughes is a franchise OFD. Let everyone understand that he’s not there to be a wall infront of our net, he’s here to tuck more than the opposition, and needs a stay at home D by him. It’s an understanding amongst the league through decades of OFD’s to have someone stay at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, RWMc1 said: It should be obvious. You claim that he won't be able to produce here but he might somewhere else. I asked if you see him on our roster next season and you ignored that. No, I don't see him on our roster. 1 hour ago, RWMc1 said: I also showed that he has already produced more than last season which you seem to be using as a benchmark. yes, but I don't think you understand what happened. 1 hour ago, RWMc1 said: If he is unlikely to be here next season then you can make any prediction you want because it is unverifiable. That's hedging your bet. That's what I was arguing. Real usage: 18 g 18 a. again, I'm not hedging anything. The reason Jake scored more in 2019 is he was used more on the PP, because of injuries. When he's off the PP he slides back into pretty underwhelming production numbers. Green doesn't want to use him over 12-13 minutes typically, and not on the PP1 unless he needs to for injures. Maybe another coach can shelter him more than Green on another team, and maybe they have crappier PP players that we do. Ift thats the case, he likely pops up a bit in production. Does this make sense to you now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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