[Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland

[Maniwaki Canuck]

Other teams have paid a first (admittedly lower than 9oa) just to move one bad contract.  Benning moved 3 and brought back a top 4 D and a top 6 F on top of that.  This is a home run, pure and simple.  Best deal by any team this off season and it's not even close.

I understand the concerns about OEL and wouldn't have targeted him in a deal like this.  It was a relief that we didn't get him on that basis last fall.  But Garland is the main asset coming back here, and is nearly worth the first we gave up on his own.  OEL is more part of the cap equation, and doesn't have to return to what he was 5 years ago for us to win the deal.  All he has to be is Edler.  His skating is still top notch.  The questions are about whether his head and heart are still in it.  I trust that a management team with the Sedins on it has ways of finding that out.  So there is reason to hope for a bounce back from OEL but it doesn't have to happen for us to win this deal.  The only way we lose is if he pulls a Loui on us. 

The cap angle on this deal sorts out pretty evenly in the first year:  the 12 mil we save is mostly going to cover the incoming salaries.  At most we save 1 mil if Garland signs in the high 3 mil range, but probably its even.  Unlike the 3 players we shipped out, however, the incoming ones are going to help us win.  Massive short-term improvement there.  The cap risk is OEL over the long term, but as many have said, the buyout route is there and relatively painless, so this is not a huge concern. 

Finally there is the real asset we gave up.  Guenther would definitely have been a great add.  But this deal is about the next 4-5 years and getting the most out of the core in place, not building a new one.  Sure Benning did this to keep his job, but it is also the right move in the team's interest.  We can't keep waiting on guys like Bo and need to commit to winning now.  This deal is a huge vote of confidence in our guys after a year that must have ripped their hearts out.  Absolutely the right thing to do.  Bravo, JIm.

[Me_]

4 minutes ago, aqua59 said:

I've been critical of JB as well as supporting moves he's made. I have no problem with this one. We no longer have to talk about the three duds that got shipped out. Done!

Also the finger prints of the owner are on this too, it's his loot.

 

I really like this move.

 

So to the fans that keep on bitching and moaning about the Canucks missing this and that move I'd like to point out that both Edmonton and Calgary need fans and support with the flimsy management teams they sport.

 

Holland in Edmonton is doing quite alright.

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, FlyLow_ said:

But he is absolutely useless at signing ufa's.

Hamonic

Roussel, till he got injured

Sutter wasn't bad, till he got injured, over and over again.

Pearson's new deal is good

Ryan Miller was a good signing.

[Amebushi]

3 minutes ago, Me_ said:

Holland in Edmonton is doing quite alright.

So glad I got to use the Louie emoji. I really hope I am correct and this was sarcasm. I have OEL concerns but much prefer him to the rotten corpse of Duncan Kieth. 

[Nucker 67]

Out -  Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle, and a few draft picks that might or might not amount to anything

 

IN - Ekman-Larsson (12% retained), Garland, Dickinson

 

I think VAN is doing okay, team is already better, which is kind of the whole point.  EDM, OTT and BUF have shown us that hoarding draft picks doesn't make a good team. It's how the draft picks are used.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by NUCKER67

[canuckleheads fan]

Something else to consider with this move, it makes QH and Petey happier to sign because they see JB making moves to improve the team. Nobody wants to sign long-term with a team with a stand pat GM unless that team is already great. This will influence the contract talks and, I suspect, save the Canucks a few dollars. Also, don't forget Bo's agent's comments last week, perhaps suggesting that he is getting impatient. JB doesn't want a McJesus problem where your stars put you on a timetable.

[JM_]

Just now, canuckleheads fan said:

Something else to consider with this move, it makes QH and Petey happier to sign because they see JB making moves to improve the team. Nobody wants to sign long-term with a team with a stand pat GM unless that team is already great. This will influence the contract talks and, I suspect, save the Canucks a few dollars. Also, don't forget Bo's agent's comments last week, perhaps suggesting that he is getting impatient. JB doesn't want a McJesus problem where your stars put you on a timetable.

teams can't just focus on Quinn as much, that will make him happiest. He'll get better opportunities and Green won't have to overplay him as much. 

[iinatcc]

9 hours ago, BCNate said:

I know the quote you are referring to.  This trade changes that timeline though.  We have a much,much better team now than we did this morning.    A few years down the road is there risk? sure, but for next year, we have a solid looking team.  I expect a few more move will be made in the next few days.  OEL is a significant upgrade on Edler, and Garland could put up 65-75 points next season.   Dickinson was a very good add as well.

 But his 2 year timeline is when he anticipates when the young core will mature and be at their peak. 

 

OEL will likely start to decline by then. 

 

So what good will OEL do if he becomes more of a liability when the the core starts to hit their peak ? 

[Jack Fig]

19 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said:

Something else to consider with this move, it makes QH and Petey happier to sign because they see JB making moves to improve the team. Nobody wants to sign long-term with a team with a stand pat GM unless that team is already great. This will influence the contract talks and, I suspect, save the Canucks a few dollars. Also, don't forget Bo's agent's comments last week, perhaps suggesting that he is getting impatient. JB doesn't want a McJesus problem where your stars put you on a timetable.

I'm thinking more Miller and Horvat .... guys who are fully in their prime. You know they woke up with a smile on their face today. 

[iinatcc]

5 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said:

Something else to consider with this move, it makes QH and Petey happier to sign because they see JB making moves to improve the team. Nobody wants to sign long-term with a team with a stand pat GM unless that team is already great. This will influence the contract talks and, I suspect, save the Canucks a few dollars. Also, don't forget Bo's agent's comments last week, perhaps suggesting that he is getting impatient. JB doesn't want a McJesus problem where your stars put you on a timetable.

As for Quinn doesn't he still need someone to play with ? 

[stawns]

Just now, iinatcc said:

 But his 2 year timeline is when he anticipates when the young core will mature and be at their peak. 

 

OEL will likely start to decline by then. 

 

So what good will OEL do if he becomes more of a liability when the the core starts to hit their peak ? 

He's 30, not 40.  He's got 3-4 years of peak play left in him and he's the kind of skater that will likely be a top 4 into his late 30's.  

[Nucker 67]

This Americanized version of the Draft is pretty bad,. It feels so corporate.

One of the best highlights for me was seeing Quinn Hughes tell his brothers that New Jersey stinks. 

[Gurn]

7 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

So what good will OEL do if he becomes more of a liability when the the core starts to hit their peak ? 

This seems to suggest your starting point is that OEL is already a liability.

So you already can't be happy, let alone what you think will happen in a couple of years.

[EddieVedder]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

He's 30, not 40.  He's got 3-4 years of peak play left in him and he's the kind of skater that will likely be a top 4 into his late 30's.  

Agree completely.  Those that dont like this deal have this weird fantasy of having a team full of 21 year olds.  If youd seen him play,  OEL is one of the best pure athletes you will see in hockey.  Physically hes just a pure gamer that has the ability to carry this backend.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

He's 30, not 40.  He's got 3-4 years of peak play left in him and he's the kind of skater that will likely be a top 4 into his late 30's.  

Late 30s might be a bit of a stretch.  But both the Sedins were like 33 years old for the 2014-15 season.  Both still ended up in the top ten in the NHL in points that season.

[EddieVedder]

2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

This Americanized version of the Draft is pretty bad,. It feels so corporate.

One of the best highlights for me was seeing Quinn Hughes tell his brothers that New Jersey stinks. 

True.

 

And the funny thing is, if youve been to Jersey it actually does smell. 

[stawns]

Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Late 30s might be a bit of a stretch.  But both the Sedins were like 33 years old for the 2014-15 season.  Both still ended up in the top ten in the NHL in points that season.

Except OEL is one of the smoothest skaters in the league.  The work he does he does effortlessly........those players age very well.

[Wayne Glensky]

16 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Out -  Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle, and a few draft picks that might or might not amount to anything

 

IN - Ekman-Larsson (12% retained), Garland, Dickinson

 

I think VAN is doing okay, team is already better, which is kind of the whole point.  EDM, OTT and BUF have shown us that hoarding draft picks doesn't make a good team. It's how the draft picks are used.

 

 

They are a better team today than yesterday that’s for sure. I’m really looking forward to watching Garland score 30. 

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

Except OEL is one of the smoothest skaters in the league.  The work he does he does effortlessly........those players age very well.

Yep see Lidstrom and Keith.

 

Elite skating mixed with high hockey IQ allows players to avoid getting slammed into the boards every shift. A lot less wear and tear.

[higgyfan]

1 hour ago, appleboy said:

Make sure you out OEL's missed games as well 

Actually, he's very robust.  Over 11 seasons, he's only missed a couple dozen games.

 

Chris has never played a full 82 seasons.  He's much healthier playing in abbreviated seasons, like the past 2 years.