-AJ- Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, johngould21 said: I can only name 6 guys off the top of my head. The twins, Bieksa, Edler, Kesler, Raymond. Who else? I believe Tanev was as well. I know Tanev was an undrafted college signing. I think the rest were drafted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Uh….how about the Burke/Nonis years? The bulk of that core that finished 1st overall in the regular season under Gillis was built via drafted players. Burke/Nonis drafted a good chunk of the core and Gillis came in, added some pieces, and took them to the finals. Benning has also drafted a good chunk of the core and is still around and adding pieces so let's see if he is the one who can take this team to the finals. If not we will need a Gillis type to come in and finish the job. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I know Tanev was an undrafted college signing. I think the rest were drafted though. Luongo and Burrows were not drafted. Two huge pieces of that core. Ehrhoff was also a major factor in the 2011 final team. Tanev was never a full time starter until 2013 so he wasn't really part of that President's Trophy and Stanley Cup final team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, -AJ- said: I know Tanev was an undrafted college signing. I think the rest were drafted though. Yeah he went underdrafted despite his potential talent because he was so undersized. Guy grew like close to a foot after his first eligible draft year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Luongo and Burrows were not drafted. Two huge pieces of that core. Ehrhoff was also a major factor in the 2011 final team. Tanev was never a full time starter until 2013 so he wasn't really part of that President's Trophy and Stanley Cup final team. Would be tough for a D to crack the blue line back then unless they were like a legit#1 like Chara. When you have Salo as your #5, you have a deep blue line. Just not healthy enough. Must be something in the water in Vancouver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Would be tough for a D to crack the blue line back then unless they were like a legit#1 like Chara. When you have Salo as your #5, you have a deep blue line. Just not healthy enough. Must be something in the water in Vancouver. If Chara was a Canuck and not a Bruin I think we win 3 Cups with that core. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Uh….how about the Burke/Nonis years? The bulk of that core that finished 1st overall in the regular season under Gillis was built via drafted players. The Burke Nonis years were very hit and miss, almost bipolar. Drafting success was also equally, if not more, met with drafting fails. Burke, like Quinn, took gambles or scooped a insider knowledge thru the Legend. Truly have to say, the most regrettable player departure from Vancouver was Igor Larionov. The reasons were with the Russian or Soviets having a portion of Igor’s salary as long as he played with the Canucks. Burke was a bigger gambler. He hit a inside straight when he drafted the Twins. Kesler was his only other solid first rounder after that. Think Ohlund was pre Burke. Guys like Bieksa, Edler and Burrows were all steals. But there was this guy named Patrick White…. Lol. Edited October 14, 2021 by Phat Fingers Edit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GB5 Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 I liked Lammikko's game tonight..... maybe we have a player here.... 5 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maddogy Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 56 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: I liked Lammikko's game tonight..... maybe we have a player here.... Yup. A big fast defensively responsible Finnish winger. Reminds me of the Tyler Motte trade. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Reminded me a bit of Lappy when I saw him skating. Little bit lankier maybe (same height - 6'2", but 9 lbs lighter - 191 vs 200) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 not like it matters much, but since I noticed, he wears #91, not #83. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 40 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said: not like it matters much, but since I noticed, he wears #91, not #83. Thanks. The Canuck website showed him wearing #83 last time I checked, but it's changed now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Kid looked really good. Fills a much bigger need in the lineup than OJ did. I think Lammikko may show enough to stay in the lineup when Motte and Boeser return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, BCNate said: Kid looked really good. Fills a much bigger need in the lineup than OJ did. I think Lammikko may show enough to stay in the lineup when Motte and Boeser return. Signs look promising that he's a bottom 6 forward with good size and wheels who knows where needs to be to play defensively sound hockey, can kill penalties, and has the ability to play a physical game. I agree that Lammikko could well cement a spot in the bottom 6 even on a healthy squad, especially with Sutter potentially out long term. I thought it was telling that Green put him out in the final minute of play. Already seems to trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I was secretly hoping for the next Jarkko Ruutu, but this guy is quite a bit bigger than I was expecting. Would be cool if he was a bit of a pest, he seems to have that goofy/annoying element that Jarkko had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 He looked solid, here's hoping he can keep it going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Funny thing is, I didn't notice him last night. But that's probably a good thing, as he didn't make any mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Really solid game from this guy last night. I'm over the trade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 It's only one game but thought he was pretty effective last night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 12:12 PM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: You also can’t really compare raw faceoff percentage apples to apples, because this is one area of the game where “zonestarts” can have a significant impact. Defensive zone faceoff percentage tends to be lower by something like 3-5 percentage points because of the attacking team advantage. A FO% in the mid 40’s isn’t “bad” for a majority defensive player, but that same FO% is pretty weak for a guy who mostly takes offensive zone draws. Quality of teammates can also have an effect, when it comes to getting “winger wins.” I haven’t dug into Juho’s usage too deep, but I suspect he’d be closer to 50%, or better, if he was taking the same draws as say a Pettersson or Gaudette. This also speaks to just how dominant some of the best “defensive centres” in the league are on draws, if they can post 55%+ while deployed mainly on DZ 5v5 faceoffs and PK. The other factor is how many times do they take draws on their strong side. You have 4 possibilities: 1) Strong hand (SH) versus Weak Hand (WH) 2) SH versus SH 3) WH Versus SH 4) WH versus WH You'd expect above 50% if you are SH versus WH, below 50% for WH vs SH,and approximately 50% for the neutral cases. Of course there is synergy to these factors as well, as being SH vs WH in the offensive zone will give you an even greater advantage. On the flip side, you could see a bit of a cancelling out too, where you are WH vs SH, but in the O-zone. I'd still expect the SH to win more than the WH, but the difference should be smaller with the zone advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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