TGT68 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Really starting to think he really is Our Tiny Man Who Can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Wondering why he isn't on the list of prospects coming to prospects camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guile Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Wondering why he isn't on the list of prospects coming to prospects camp. Go check out Sid's latest post in the development camp thread - he's explained that the khl preseason actually starts quite soon and that Manukyan is likely focused on impressing his current team and trying to earn more ice time with them. A prudent choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/24/2018 at 6:19 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: I I love that hip check! Be so funny if he could take out Lucic. Who would want to fight, but could not catch him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: I love that hip check! Be so funny if he could take out Lucic. Who would want to fight, but could not catch him! Don't need a repeat of the Hammer incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Nice shootout winner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 didn't know he was already playing pro, dude is on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Does anyone know where he is committed to play next season? KHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Does anyone know where he is committed to play next season? KHL? Avangard Omsk. His KHL contract runs through 2019-20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Although he's not highlighted in these tweets, Manukyan compares favorably with those who are shown in these charts. The data was collected from players who played in the MHL in their draft years. Most notably, his "Even Strength Betweenness" is very comparable to Panarin even though his PPG is about half of Panarin's. Now, I'm not advanced stats expert and I had no idea what "Even Strength Betweenness" meant before I saw this tweet, but I understood it as it measures each player's influence on team scoring. If I'm interpreting the data correctly, that means that Manukyan and Panarin had roughly the same scoring influence for their respective MHL teams in their draft year. Manukyan's PPG also isn't too far off of Denisenko's while Manukyan had much better "Even Strength Betweenness." Keep in mind, Denisenko went 15th overall this year. Remember, Manukyan was first eligible for the 2016 draft, so this data is taken from the 2015-16 season. Maybe @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME can offer some insight into this advanced stats wizardry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Maybe @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME can offer some insight into this advanced stats wizardry. It sounds like network analysis applied to hockey. Quick and dirty explanation: think of the game as a network, the players are “nodes” and the plays are the relationships or “edges” (connections) between the nodes. If player represents a central node in the team scoring “network” with lots of connections to other nodes (the other players), then they would probably have a high “betweenness” value. There’s probably a bit more to it than that, but I’d imagine that’s kinda the gist of this type of analysis. EDIT: Found an article by the guy (Evan Oppenheimer) doing the analysis: https://medium.com/@evanopp/whose-point-is-it-anyway-using-network-analysis-to-estimate-teammate-influence-in-hockey-scoring-e9fc97f26648 It's network analysis. Basically the same idea as what I said above, although he does a much better job explaining it and provides details as to how it works with hockey. EDIT2: Have to laugh a bit at the guy being named Oppenheimer. “Now I am become Death fancystats, the destroyer of worlds hockey.” Edited July 19, 2018 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Although he's not highlighted in these tweets, Manukyan compares favorably with those who are shown in these charts. The data was collected from players who played in the MHL in their draft years. Most notably, his "Even Strength Betweenness" is very comparable to Panarin even though his PPG is about half of Panarin's. Now, I'm not advanced stats expert and I had no idea what "Even Strength Betweenness" meant before I saw this tweet, but I understood it as it measures each player's influence on team scoring. If I'm interpreting the data correctly, that means that Manukyan and Panarin had roughly the same scoring influence for their respective MHL teams in their draft year. Manukyan's PPG also isn't too far off of Denisenko's while Manukyan had much better "Even Strength Betweenness." Keep in mind, Denisenko went 15th overall this year. Remember, Manukyan was first eligible for the 2016 draft, so this data is taken from the 2015-16 season. Maybe @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME can offer some insight into this advanced stats wizardry. Look at Bulat Shafigullin! Dang he was one of my favourites with our 3rd round pick! Nice to see our guy test well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) Maybe Manukyan will become our new Gary Lupul See how many of you remember THAT name Edited July 20, 2018 by VegasCanuck 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I just noticed something. When viewing the Canucks' 2018 draft picks on Capfriendly, it says that we don't have a deadline to sign Manukyan. Rather, it says "indefinite" instead of a deadline. It says the same thing for Zukhenov still as well. I'm down for keeping his rights, FOREEEEEVVVVEEEERRR. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 21 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: It sounds like network analysis applied to hockey. Quick and dirty explanation: think of the game as a network, the players are “nodes” and the plays are the relationships or “edges” (connections) between the nodes. If player represents a central node in the team scoring “network” with lots of connections to other nodes (the other players), then they would probably have a high “betweenness” value. There’s probably a bit more to it than that, but I’d imagine that’s kinda the gist of this type of analysis. EDIT: Found an article by the guy (Evan Oppenheimer) doing the analysis: https://medium.com/@evanopp/whose-point-is-it-anyway-using-network-analysis-to-estimate-teammate-influence-in-hockey-scoring-e9fc97f26648 It's network analysis. Basically the same idea as what I said above, although he does a much better job explaining it and provides details as to how it works with hockey. EDIT2: Have to laugh a bit at the guy being named Oppenheimer. “Now I am become Death fancystats, the destroyer of worlds hockey.” Thanks for coming through as usual Sid. I guess my original interpretation was correct, but too general. So Manukyan and Panaring did indeed account for roughly the same amount of their team's offence even though Panarin's PPG was much higher. I like that. It'll be interesting to see how he does in the KHL next year. Hopefully he can be one of those prospects that explodes in 5 years while we still have his rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I like how we're swinging for the fences with the 6th round pick. Definite boom or bust type players taken the last two drafts in Palmu and Manukyan. Add Jasek to the group of 6th round picks as well who's looking pretty good. All these guys clearly have the skill, it's their work ethic that will most likely determine the rest. I'd much rather go this route than try and comb the CHL for hidden gems like they did with Stukel and Pettit. Teams have went over these guys again and again in their scouting with the exposure they get. It's not too often they miss much. And players like this will much more likely be available as free agents in a couple years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: I like how we're swinging for the fences with the 6th round pick. Definite boom or bust type players taken the last two drafts in Palmu and Manukyan. Add Jasek to the group of 6th round picks as well who's looking pretty good. All these guys clearly have the skill, it's their work ethic that will most likely determine the rest. I'd much rather go this route than try and comb the CHL for hidden gems like they did with Stukel and Pettit. Teams have went over these guys again and again in their scouting with the exposure they get. It's not too often they miss much. And players like this will much more likely be available as free agents in a couple years. The CHL is bargaining themselves into irrelevancy, teams are looking elsewhere for talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: Maybe Manukyan will become our new Gary Lupul See how many of you remember THAT name Didn't Gary lupul get a hat trick in his first NHL game against the flyers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 11 hours ago, erkayloomeh said: Didn't Gary lupul get a hat trick in his first NHL game against the flyers? I think so, he was a pretty good little player for us for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Jim Robson called him the “Pride of Powell River”. I remember the Looooop chants at the old Pacific Coliseum and would always be reminded of him when the crowd went nuts for Luongo. Lupul died quite early I think, substance abuse issues. For not being drafted he was a fairly effective offensive contributor. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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