Nikita Tryamkin | D

[RetroCanuck]

1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

I've never been so frustrated with lineups & deployment. If you concentrated hard(like playing a chess GM) to think of the worst possible combos, Whack-a-Willie would have them planned out promptly. 3 yr nightmare.

he helped with our rebuild though, because before him we were retooling lol With the way he deployed lines we had to do a full scale rebuild!

[Nuxfanabroad]

12 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said:

he helped with our rebuild though, because before him we were retooling lol With the way he deployed lines we had to do a full scale rebuild!

Like a pig on our lipstick

[Erik Karlsson]

After WD got badly out coached in the Calgary series is when I really started to dislike him.

[tas]

36 minutes ago, Erik Karlsson said:

After WD got badly out coached in the Calgary series is when I really started to dislike him.

did you start disliking all the players at the same time for being badly outplayed?

[aGENT]

Can't wait for stonker to stumble on this 

[Erik Karlsson]

27 minutes ago, tas said:

did you start disliking all the players at the same time for being badly outplayed?

Meh, Sedins were dominating for parts of that series and he decided to play useless players like Vrbata instead. 

[Canuck_In_Paradise]

On 9/25/2017 at 5:26 AM, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Well, I am assured that he hasn't completely shut down the possibility of coming back to VAN. Sounds to me (as has been mentioned previously) that he and Willie were not seeing eye to eye, and he left because of that. I'm sure he'll be paying attention to what Green does and asks the boys he knows on the team what they think of him. Wouldn't be surprised that if all goes well, we will see him back in the near future.... Which would be a huge boost to our d-core! 

[WHL rocks]

51 minutes ago, tas said:

did you start disliking all the players at the same time for being badly outplayed?

It wasn't the players fault they lost, WD was terrible. He lost that series. 

 

Completely out coached. It was embarrassing. He'd roll out the 4th line after a tv timeout because it was their turn instead of putting his "rested" 1st line out. Never seen such idiocy in the playoffs and I"ve been watching this game for over 3 decades. 

 

[Kungfudru]

27 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

It wasn't the players fault they lost, WD was terrible. He lost that series. 

 

Completely out coached. It was embarrassing. He'd roll out the 4th line after a tv timeout because it was their turn instead of putting his "rested" 1st line out. Never seen such idiocy in the playoffs and I"ve been watching this game for over 3 decades. 

 

That was just a joke. I was in complete disbelief watching that happen before my eyes. 

[WHL rocks]

26 minutes ago, Kungfudru said:

That was just a joke. I was in complete disbelief watching that happen before my eyes. 

Couldn't change up break out and couldn't counter the forecheck. 

 

Worse coach in Canucks history, and I really really dislike Tom Renney's coaching. 

 

 

[Silky mitts]

1 hour ago, Kungfudru said:

That was just a joke. I was in complete disbelief watching that happen before my eyes. 

Haven't been that frustrated in a long time I was screaming at my television over twitchy's stupid decisions. God awful coach god awful.

[Honky Cat]

41 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

Couldn't change up break out and couldn't counter the forecheck. 

 

Worse coach in Canucks history, and I really really dislike Tom Renney's coaching. 

 

 

I couldn't stand Renney when he was the coach of the Canucks..I thought he was arrogant...I guess when he started treating the players like High School kids,they basically tuned him out...They never respected him......Good to see that Tom and Willie have found each other.

 

 

[ilduce39]

Maybe it's the translation or maybe it's the culture but Tryamkin sounds super dumb in these interviews.  If he thinks as a rookie who put up 9 points (averaging nearly 17 minutes a night) he was entitled to more he's crazy.  

 

Goldobin's benching after scoring was silly but the rest of his tenure was ruined by being so sick he lost 20 pounds. He ended the year with the Sedins playing well. I like him and think he'll get a crack this year.  Still, no one thinks he's earned a spot so far in preseason.  No one.

 

If Nikita wants to come back in 3 years he's going to realize this team has moved on from him.  He had a chance to be a part of it but down the line he'll never have the opportunity he did last year.  I was super high on this guy but honesty don't think we're missing out anymore. Good riddance.

[Canuck Surfer]

8 hours ago, The Sedge said:

It seems to me that a lot of Russian players have this same mindset.  

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

7 hours ago, Attila Umbrus said:

I hate to say it's true because there are so many good Russians playing in the NHL and it's not fair to them...but it does have validation. Lots of players from different nationalities do the same thing if they don't get what they're seeking for in the NHL, but it's not maybe as frequent as how many times it happens with Russian players. Perhaps it's because Russians know they have the KHL which by all accounts is the next best league in the world with the next best pay for a professional.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

[stanleysteamersmyl]

1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

A trace of the trait was evident in one of Crosby's very first media interviews.

'You can make it if you try'

"They say you have to do your best and work hard and things will happen," he told the Halifax Daily News in a feature written in April 1995 when Crosby was seven.

"You can make it if you try."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sidney-crosby-30-1.4235342

 

 

 

[Dekey Pete]

8 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

I don't think we're on the same page.  I meant was I feel that a lot of Russian players have this mindset that scoring goals is the most (and sometimes only) important thing in hockey.  Nothing to do with NT's decision to move back to Russia.

[Toews]

10 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

Maybe it's the translation or maybe it's the culture but Tryamkin sounds super dumb in these interviews.  If he thinks as a rookie who put up 9 points (averaging nearly 17 minutes a night) he was entitled to more he's crazy.  

 

Goldobin's benching after scoring was silly but the rest of his tenure was ruined by being so sick he lost 20 pounds. He ended the year with the Sedins playing well. I like him and think he'll get a crack this year.  Still, no one thinks he's earned a spot so far in preseason.  No one.

 

If Nikita wants to come back in 3 years he's going to realize this team has moved on from him.  He had a chance to be a part of it but down the line he'll never have the opportunity he did last year.  I was super high on this guy but honesty don't think we're missing out anymore. Good riddance.

Its likely the translation. I had a hard time getting through it. It seems like it was ran through a Russian to English translator and it was just a painful read.

 

Tryamkin seems to have had more of an issue being benched for long periods of time than specifics of ice time. I can understand the frustration, WD had a habit of benching players in high leverage situations. He had guys that he trusted and he would play them when he wanted to lock down a game or preserve a scoreline. The ones that weren't were stapled to the bench. It begs the question how are players going to learn if you refuse to put them out in certain situations. It also doesn't inspire confidence in your players when they know they are going to be benched for large portions of the 3rd period regardless of their performance until that point.

 

I watched quite a few Leafs games last year and the way Babcock handled his players was night and day compared to WD. Babcock threw guys out there at the end of games even if there were more experienced players available who could have done the job much better. He could have put out his shutdown line at the end of every game to kill out games but he wanted his young players to learn even if they made mistakes and cost them points. He admitted as such in post-game interviews. Toronto probably had the most blown 3rd period leads last year but he persisted anyway. As the season progressed the rookies could hold their own at the end of games.

 

It may have a lot to do with job security. Babcock knows he is untouchable and even if he does move on he will have no shortage of offers. WD did not have that luxury and hence he was trying to scrape together as many points as possible IMO to pad his resume. Hopefully Green has been promised carte blache for a few years at the very least. We need him to develop the talent on the roster not worry about wins and losses in a season that is a wash anyway. 

 

Tryamkin will have a spot on this team if he can continue to grow and develop his game. He is big, he has a massive reach and he is at the very least a decent 3rd pairing option on most teams. It is up to him to improve and iron out his deficiencies and become a better player than that. I am sure he will be back especially if he grows like I think he will. IMO he will eventually outgrow that league and have the itch to make more money and play in a better league. 

[Tre Mac]

11 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

I was super high on this guy but honesty don't think we're missing out anymore. Good riddance.

I feel the same way.  I thought we had a future Norris winning Dman here but that was only if he put in the work to get better. 

[stawns]

19 hours ago, peaches5 said:

I remember I did something similar to Goldy and the coach came down to me on the bench and said you're lucky you scored or you'd be spending the rest of the game on the bench. According WD it doesn't matter if you score if you choose offense over defense you sit on the bench. I get 100% what Tryamkin is saying too. Everyone, here, thought he deserved more ice time. it didn't make sense, as he says, for him to be seeing LESS ice time with more injuries. He was good enough and on a bad enough team to get more ice time. Just all around bad coaching. It wasn't like he was making blatantly stupid plays out there.

Every coach is like that.  If you can't play passable defense, at least, you don't play.  Period.

[stawns]

11 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

Very short sighted thinking on Try's part and you have to wonder what kind of bonehead his agent must be.  He's never going to come close to making the same kind of $ he would in the NHL.  I was/am a huge fan of NT, but he clearly has an entitlement issue and maybe the org is better off without him.  Wait out his three year contract, and then move him if they get the chance.