Johnny Torts Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Based on what? Let's have a bet. If the Canucks sign AP, my account gets perma banned. If the Canucks don't sign AP, the mods perma ban your account. AP is going to Vegas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poet Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: This isn't EA Sports you can't just sign any and everyone you want, the players make decisions for themselves too. Huh? This was our UFA. Jim had since Friday to get this done. Can’t imagine Bo is going to be super thrilled playing with LE and Pearson/Rousel for 2 years... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, TheCammer said: We don't know this to be true. When an exceptional D-man states Boston and Vancouver as two options he will accept it would be ludicrous for Benning to not at least kick the tires and investigate. Did he make the deal? No. Why? A large contract and they likely didn't want to take back the people and contracts we offered. Or possible it never happened at all. Relax and stop believing everything you read. i am relaxed thank you! Benning put in several offers and right before the deadline of 9am Benning gave another offer, as per Bennings words, he decided to let it go! go listen to Bennings presser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: This isn't EA Sports you can't just sign any and everyone you want, the players make decisions for themselves too. Are you implying that Toffoli did not want to re-sign when it was reported numerous times how much he and EP want to play together and that him and his wife really liked Vancouver? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheCammer Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: As much as I love a good Canucks TRS thread - and all the signature rage, panic, and entertainment value... I'm going to guess that there isn't a single reference in this thread to this point of the fact that.... Tampa has to dump at least two of Palat, Killorn and Gourde or Johnson.. Those first two pieces - come with less term than Toffoli..... Just sayin'. And getting in on Tampa's cap movement - could also get us a Foote in the process.... Moreover - we had a depth forward last year that scored 19 pts in 36 games....43 pt/ 82g production....who, in the present climate, might make a better low cost, short term option than Toffoli. The team needs to focus on RHD - and clearing it's bonus cap - moreso than spend this kind of term and cap (albeit a bit deflated) - on a player at a position they have Boeser, Virtanen, Leivo, Podkolzin, Lind, (Gaudette)....as future and some present, top 6 options.... And could add a shorter term forward via trade, regardless.... Always nice to read posts that are thought out as opposed to the knee jerk "Chicken Little" posts on these message boards. As I've said previously I still found losing Toffoli , given the contract he received puzzling but I'm guessing there is a game plan. That game plan has a lot to do with making sure we have available dollars for EP and QH next year so reducing potential cap strain is paramount.. Do people understand there is quite a bit of doubt moving forward? The NHL revenue stream is currently devastated and may not return that quickly. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pavelbure96 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I have been glued to my phone all weekend long like a drug addiction. And nothing Happens. Like what the hell man, we are becoming impatient, there is hardly any rumors even. Canucks are probably the most quiet team over the last few days, something's gotta give... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, b3. said: Benning is on Garth Snow levels of GMing. By far worst in the league - they have zero plan. Petey and Huggy say hi... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Hoglander will be better anyways 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, gurn said: To gain valuable play off experience. but 4 of those guys are off the team with Sutter, LE and others to follow....if they wanted to have this team gain valuable playoff experience maybe they should have played Juolevi, Rafferty and Brisebois a few games....cause Tanev, Stech are not here anymore...so playoff experience for those guys don't help us....good for the others (EP40, etc.) but not for our dmen. Edited October 12, 2020 by Pete M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Hoglander will be better anyways Maybe in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, shayster007 said: I completely disagree. We do not currently need to dump salary at all, let alone desperately. We just let a number of contracts go, we have, if I remember correctly, about 8 million in cap. More money coming off the books over the next few years. Tampa needs to dump the position we need to pick up. Seems like a very logical trade partner in my eyes. You're right, that was a wrong choice of words to suggest the canucks depserately need to dump salary. What I meant was the Canucks (whether it be due to Benning or Aquillini), doesn't seem like a team excited to take on salary nor do they seem open to giving up valuable assets based on the rumoured no-trade list (top prospects, Juolevi, Demko) in the OEL talks, so it's hard to see how a TB deal works out. Although Cernak seems to fit a few potential scenarios, so I yeah, not as bad a trade partner as originally thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Devron44 said: Honestly we are laughing cap wise in 2 years by not making these signings the last few days How so? Brian Burke predicts the cap will remain flat for another 4 or 5 years and by 2 years time Hughes will be looking for an extension and Pettersson would probably get 10 Million. So yes Linden was probably right and it's so fitting to have this realizing the same time the Linden trade has ended after Markstrom walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, Devron44 said: Honestly we are laughing cap wise in 2 years by not making these signings the last few days Marky and Tanev. Yes. Tanev is a borderline 3rd pair d-man and injured often. Marky got a NMC and way too much term. Losing Stecher at 1.7, likely 1.5 for us being hometown, isn't really a deal that'd sink the franchise. Lol. And Toffoli is legit. Even if we needed to free cap he could easily be moved with his contract. 4.25 for a 20 goal scorer that is only in his late 20s? Come on. Stecher and Toffoli contracts we could easily have matched and we'd still be fine 2 years from now. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dKs89 Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 There’s a lot of overreaction over the way this FA has played out. It sucks losing the players the Canucks has, but really at the end of the day, none of it matters in my opinion. Losing Marky sucks but Demko showed that giving him a long term contract would be a mistake. Of course, I’m not saying that Demko is going to provide what he did in those three games against Vegas but it showed his potential to be one of the best in the league. Demko is younger and fits with the age group of this team much more than Marky. I’m happy for Marky getting the contract he no doubt deserved. Undoubtedly a top 3 goalie in the NHL since December 2018. In my opinion, Tanev is the biggest loss. He was the perfect partner for Hughes and the role he fulfilled isn’t easy to find. That role being the fearless warrior constantly putting his body on the line to block shots, and being GOOD at it. That’s just invaluable and tough to replace. Stecher again, he’s at his best in a third pairing role. He gave his all to this team and for that I’ll always respect him. Losing him doesn’t move the needle one way or the other. As far as Toffoli goes, well he and Stecher for me and easily the most replaceable. Toffoli is like a career average 45 point player who definitely over-performed with us in the regular season. I imagine he’d do better than 45 long term with the Canucks but I also imagine there’s quite a long list of players who’d perform better than what they really are when they play with Petey and Miller. My point being is, Toffoli is nice and good to have, can’t have too many good players, but he can be replaced. Petey and Miller were the drivers of that line and any player just like Toffoli can slot in and replicate that production. Whether it comes from another FA, a trade, or internally (Pod, Hog, Lind, whoever.) Long term, which is what this team should be planning for, losing Toffoli doesn’t really mean anything. My point of this post is, going forward, whether the Canucks win or lose is off the backs of the young core. The playoffs showed this, especially the Vegas series. Petey, Hughes, Bo and Boeser along now with Demko are the players that move the needle. The secondary pieces will always be rotated and replaced, Chicago and Pittsburgh both showed this. Three of those players are probably going to be taking up anywhere from 18-20M in cap space next offseason in new deals and with the way our contracts are, signing players like Toffoli and Markstrom is not a smart idea. In my opinion, despite them currently getting lambasted, the way management has played out some of this offseason is wise. They’re learning from the mistakes that are currently hampering this teams cap. I also sincerely doubt, unless Demko/Holtby disappoint, that the teams performance will be altered too much. It’s on the backs of the core that determines how they do. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Like this clown wasted a second and Tyler madden , and then couldn’t retain a top six player at a bargain price because of his terrible signings . How are there people defending him still lmao! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amplified0ne Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Aqua man probably has placed an internal cap on this team (so that he can make a certain amount of money) and given the dead cap we already have has probably further limited abilities for the canucks to take on salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Thinking about things further. Remember how we all thought the Jets were screwed last year because they lost ALL 3 of their RHD's....Byfuglin, Myers, and Trouba...they made it into the playoffs by commitee with young defensemen stepping up every bit of the way. They started the season rough, learned as they went, and made it into the play in round. Pretty damn good considering...their right side consisted of DeMelo, Poolman, and Pionk...all thrust into bigger roles than expected. Pionk really came into his own. Need to let the kids take the next step. No more signing expensive vets. Clear message by Benning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, peaches5 said: Nothing is happening. The price to dump salaries was too high for Benning and this is the cost of it. You want to give up a 1st or 2nd rounder to keep Toffoli? I don't. And - counterpoint - the price to take on salary - the opportunity to take on, for example a Palat or Killorn - at shorter term - remains alive. Other GMs are going to be distracted by the Vegas feeding frenzy around dumping cap to sign Pietrangelo -and meanwhile DimJim is going to cut another deal with Tampa that brings a Palat and Foote here (yeah, I know - dream a dream, but I'm looking at realistic possibilites here), in exchange for 60c on the dollar.....(not going to repeat my various Tampa proposals here, but if Brisebois isn't too stung by last year's Miller deal - and why would he be in the wake of a Stanley Cup Championship?) - then Benning would correctly be in the tracks of last offseason, looking to help them once again. Regardless - Tampa deal or not - there is nothing urgent about adding another winger, period. For me it falls behind RHD, cap savings/conservative cap management right now - and probably center futures as well. I would not have been focused on Toffoli - for me he comes behind Tanev/replacement, and goaltending (which was the first thing they addressed, and really, had little choice with Markstrom getting a NMC - it was either match and lose Demko, or trade Demko.) If people are angry with Benning presently, imagine if he'd traded Demko and signed Markstrom to 36 million deal and a NMC....I think he made the right call holding onto Demko and not bending to Arizona's apparent pipe dream expectation of a ROR return on OEL under the present circumstances. I'm actually pleased on some level that they have this much flexibility and options moving forward.....I'm fine with keeping some cap in their back pocket, focusing on their future uptick and futures in the system, and being patient at this point. Time will tell - but I'm not going to assume that the GMs waiting in the weeds will be the ones worst served by this league wide cap crunch. Edited October 12, 2020 by oldnews 1 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Googlie said: By dumping Erikssons $6 million on them nobody really knows what the offer was, Benning certainly never said and neither did Arizona, a lot of rumors tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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